Placeholder Bot Ban

[russian roulette]

Everyone should know I already have bad ideas about freezie's tournament, now we know he accepted multiple "Placeholder Bots" not only is this cheating other people who happen to be more productive out of a tournament, but also is showing how people take competition. I would like to create a ban on placeholder's, if you are too lazy to build a bot in advance or are too lazy to build a bot before all entries are in then that sucks for you. I think we'd all benefit from this.

[Fracture]

So if we still allow updating of bots, how does the host distinguish between actual entries and placeholders?

[russian roulette]

So if we still allow updating of bots, how does the host distinguish between actual entries and placeholders?

In my eyes, if there are minor fixes or rearrangements of any kind, then it is acceptable. I'm talking about sending in a blank chassis to ensure a spot in the competition.

[Resetti's Replicas]

So if we still allow updating of bots, how does the host distinguish between actual entries and placeholders?

How about this - no baseplate components (except batteries & control boards) can be added subsequent revisions, and you can't reshape the chassis?  That way, even the "placeholder" bot will show evidence that the person was intent on building something with a functioning drive and weapons system.

I didn't see the whole saga in the "Battlebots" thread but at the moment it looks like Freeziez set aside the 16th slot for everyone who submitted a placeholder bot, and whoever gets theirs in first is the one who gets to be in the tourney.  If that's the case, that could be a viable system too.

[Thyrus]

he had 2 placeholders. GF and FPX. But then S_M pointed out that he won a slot of frez next tourney (Hells Kittchen prize) and now the last place is for one of those two.

[russian roulette]

How about this - no baseplate components (except batteries & control boards) can be added subsequent revisions, and you can't reshape the chassis?  That way, even the "placeholder" bot will show evidence that the person was intent on building something with a functioning drive and weapons system.

I agree on reshaped chassis shouldn't be updated. But I believe if you want to move internals to make it more combat effective, then it's perfectly fine.

[GoldenFox93]

he had 2 placeholders. GF and FPX. But then S_M pointed out that he won a slot of frez next tourney (Hells Kittchen prize) and now the last place is for one of those two.

Well if that's the case, I'll be willing to forfeit my place to let him enter.

[Thyrus]

there`s still FPX so that wouldn`t make much sense. I would say just build your bot but for upcomming tourneys a new rule should count

[Vertigo]

Ban

And GF & FOTEPX should bothe be taken out of Freez's tourney IMO

[Resetti's Replicas]

How about this - no baseplate components (except batteries & control boards) can be added subsequent revisions, and you can't reshape the chassis?  That way, even the "placeholder" bot will show evidence that the person was intent on building something with a functioning drive and weapons system.

I agree on reshaped chassis shouldn't be updated. But I believe if you want to move internals to make it more combat effective, then it's perfectly fine.

Oh yeah, moving them is fine it's just that if you decide you want more wheels, or to change your weapon type then you're out of luck  I was considering adding "you can't remove baseplate components either"  but I thought that might have been too excessive.  Bottom line is this, we're shooting for a rule set that encourages people not to submit their robots until they're completely happy with them.

[GoldenFox93]

Ban

And GF & FOTEPX should bothe be taken out of Freez's tourney IMO

Who said you could speak?
 
I already said I'm willing to forfeit if S_M wants to enter.

[GarvinTheGreat]

Ban. But I guess we can let GF and FOTEPX go.

[ty4er]

I just think that it would be better if you could only enter if you have built your bot already.
Not sure about updating them though.
If the hoster thinks it's just a placeholder then they wont accept it, etc...

Just an idea :P

[NFX]

How about this - no baseplate components (except batteries & control boards) can be added subsequent revisions, and you can't reshape the chassis?  That way, even the "placeholder" bot will show evidence that the person was intent on building something with a functioning drive and weapons system.

I agree on reshaped chassis shouldn't be updated. But I believe if you want to move internals to make it more combat effective, then it's perfectly fine.

Oh yeah, moving them is fine it's just that if you decide you want more wheels, or to change your weapon type then you're out of luck.  We're shooting for a rule set that encourages people not to submit their robots until they're completely happy with them.

I'm fine with this idea. I see minor updates as changes to the robot that do not significantly alter the way it functions. Swapping from irons to maces, for example, would be fine in my view. Adding wheels or changing the weapon system would be out of line, I reckon.
 
On the subject of GF anf FOTEPX, if they don't actually have a proper entry for the tourney, then I think S_M should be allowed to enter in their place. He did win the spot in freeziez' next tourney, it's just that he forgot about it. And if he does have an entrant, then I don't think there's much we can do to stop him, really.

[GoldenFox93]

How about this - no baseplate components (except batteries & control boards) can be added subsequent revisions, and you can't reshape the chassis?  That way, even the "placeholder" bot will show evidence that the person was intent on building something with a functioning drive and weapons system.

I agree on reshaped chassis shouldn't be updated. But I believe if you want to move internals to make it more combat effective, then it's perfectly fine.

Oh yeah, moving them is fine it's just that if you decide you want more wheels, or to change your weapon type then you're out of luck.  We're shooting for a rule set that encourages people not to submit their robots until they're completely happy with them.

I'm fine with this idea. I see minor updates as changes to the robot that do not significantly alter the way it functions. Swapping from irons to maces, for example, would be fine in my view. Adding wheels or changing the weapon system would be out of line, I reckon.
 
On the subject of GF anf FOTEPX, if they don't actually have a proper entry for the tourney, then I think S_M should be allowed to enter in their place. He did win the spot in freeziez' next tourney, it's just that he forgot about it. And if he does have an entrant, then I don't think there's much we can do to stop him, really.

Hence. He can have my spot.

[Thyrus]

S_M already has a spot. it`s about you or FPX to enter. the faster one of you two will get the last spot

[GoldenFox93]

S_M already has a spot. it`s about you or FPX to enter. the faster one of you two will get the last spot

Foxtop can have it. I don't want to enter if noone else wants me to.

[Thyrus]

I would like you to but while you`re whining FPX is already building his entry

[ty4er]

If you want to enter then do it.
Besides, the quicker somebody someone sends, the quicker they can get on with their tournament.

[GarvinTheGreat]

S_M already has a spot. it`s about you or FPX to enter. the faster one of you two will get the last spot

Foxtop can have it. I don't want to enter if noone else wants me to.

GOD DAMN IT ENTER THE F***ING TOURNEMENT, WHO GIVES DAMN IF THEY DONT WANT YOU TO