Author Topic: How History Could Have Been (Read 8288 times)

GoldenFox93 · « **Reply #60 on:** December 19, 2010, 05:58:37 PM »

However, Biohazard beat Vlad the Impaler by pinning it against the wall for 30 seconds.
The match ended and Biohazard released its foe, but Vlad, apparently disappointed at the loss, turned and used its pneumatic lifter on Biohazard to flip it over.
Biohazard was able to self-right by use of its electric lifting arm. This is generally believed to be the first display of self-righting at a tournament, but it took place after the conclusion of a match and had no bearing on the outcome.

G.K. · « **Reply #61 on:** December 19, 2010, 05:59:28 PM »

Yet it was still the first self-right

GoldenFox93 · « **Reply #62 on:** December 19, 2010, 06:01:47 PM »

Quote from: G.K. on December 19, 2010, 05:59:28 PM

Yet it was still the first self-right

But it didn't have an effect on the outcome of the fight.
Cassius self-righting against Roadblock did, and when it did it during the gauntlet run, it became the first to right itself and continue a battle using it.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #63 on:** December 19, 2010, 09:01:56 PM »

the outcome of the fight doesn't matter... it was the first combat robot to show that it could put itself back on its wheels. simple

some of you make up the stupidest things to try and prove things wrong

Enigm@ · « **Reply #64 on:** December 20, 2010, 07:09:41 AM »

I would have liked to see Biohazard fight Warhead to in Season 5.0

Scorpion · « **Reply #65 on:** December 20, 2010, 07:33:39 AM »

Quote from: Enigma on December 20, 2010, 07:09:41 AM

I would have liked to see Biohazard get absolutely and utterly destroyed by Warhead to in Season 5.0

Fixxxed

Enigm@ · « **Reply #66 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:10:35 PM »

Quote from: Scorpion on December 20, 2010, 07:33:39 AM

Quote from: Enigma on December 20, 2010, 07:09:41 AM
I would have liked to see Biohazard get absolutely and utterly destroyed by Warhead to in Season 5.0
Fixxxed

Wrong sir. Biohazard was able to take a huge beating from Son Of Whyatchi in Season 3.0 (who was also technically a superheavy weight) and was still able to fight on. My guess would be that Warhead might rip off a skirt or two off Biohazard, but Biohazard would still get in enough points from lifts, hazard damge, etc, that he would end up winning by a judge's decision. This is not bias either, simply looking at these two 'bots statistic wise.

Scorpion · « **Reply #67 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:17:34 PM »

Quote from: Enigma on December 20, 2010, 04:10:35 PM

Quote from: Scorpion on December 20, 2010, 07:33:39 AM
Quote from: Enigma on December 20, 2010, 07:09:41 AM
I would have liked to see Biohazard get absolutely and utterly destroyed by Warhead to in Season 5.0
Fixxxed
Wrong sir. Biohazard was able to take a huge beating from Son Of Whyatchi in Season 3.0 (who was also technically a superheavy weight) and was still able to fight on. My guess would be that Warhead might rip off a skirt or two off Biohazard, but Biohazard would still get in enough points from lifts, hazard damge, etc, that he would end up winning by a judge's decision. This is not bias either, simply looking at these two 'bots statistic wise.

Nah, I was merely voicing my dislike for biohazard.

GoldenFox93 · « **Reply #68 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:18:15 PM »

I'm not sure, to be honest. We've seen Biohazard take damage from spinners like Son of Whyachi and Megabyte in the past, and it's always managed to run on, such its its immense reliability. Likewise, Warhead has its huge weapon power and self-righting capabilities, and is also very reliable, as even though it took a pasting from Overkill, it still hung on for a judges decision.

But out of those two? I don't know, I really wouldn't want to call it. My guess is that Warhead could cause enough damage to scrape a judge's decision.

Scorpion · « **Reply #69 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:23:29 PM »

The thing is, what I really would like to see is biohazard in the british RW.
I may get my head bitten off for this, but I think that it would be an also-ran in there.
I mean, generally the RW bots were the more reliable and tactical while the BB bots were more destructive, but not as, long lasting, if you get what I mean, and that's what allowed biohazard (with it's great reliability and armour) to excell in BB.

Stagfish · « **Reply #70 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:24:51 PM »

Agreed.

GoldenFox93 · « **Reply #71 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:29:09 PM »

Also agreed. To me, the US bots were superior in terms of the more destructive spinner-based weaponry, but I personally think that the UK generally had better pnuematic/hydraulic weaponry, better drivers, and more reliable robots.
If anything, more skill is necessary to succeed in UK robotics, whereas the US competitions seem to be mostly a contest of who can build the biggest weapon and push it into their opponents first.

Enigm@ · « **Reply #72 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:29:49 PM »

@Scorp
That was kinda the appeal of Battlebots. Destruction. While I object to the point that destruction is the only thing that matters in robot combat, that's kinda the appeal to the American audience. (This is why I'm not going to enter in the RFL this year, even though I might try to go) But I still think that even if Biohazard went into RW, I think it'd do well. And I think one of the reasons builders made there 'bots more reliable in RW was just incase they would face the wrath of the house robots.

Reier · « **Reply #73 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:30:14 PM »

What would have happened if I had TOAST instead of CORNFLAKES for breakfast this morning?

PHEW DODGED A BULLET THERE

MassimoV · « **Reply #74 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:32:03 PM »

I have no idea. Maybe the world would explode.

Anyways at Enigma, Thry started to do the more destruction thing in England when they only exepted robots with weapons.

Scorpion · « **Reply #75 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:38:17 PM »

Meh, I think that overall RW had the better bots by the end of it's life (when a lot of the joke entry's had dropped out).
Although I still think BB was awesome aswell

GoldenFox93 · « **Reply #76 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:42:21 PM »

Quote from: MassimoV on December 20, 2010, 04:32:03 PM

Anyways at Enigma, Thry started to do the more destruction thing in England when they only accepted robots with weapons.

And then they made a mockery of the show through doing so- that, and the fact that once there weren't many viewers due to the piss-poor timeslot they gave it (6pm on Sundays!), Five didn't once consider themselves as a result of it, and instead blamed it on the show itself.

SKBT · « **Reply #77 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:59:11 PM »

Quote from: GoldenFox93 on December 20, 2010, 04:29:09 PM

Also agreed. To me, the US bots were superior in terms of the more destructive spinner-based weaponry, but I personally think that the UK generally had better pnuematic/hydraulic weaponry, better drivers, and more reliable robots.
If anything, more skill is necessary to succeed in UK robotics, whereas the US competitions seem to be mostly a contest of who can build the biggest weapon and push it into their opponents first.

The UK style of building evolved to the arena. (OOTA'able and no spinners allowed) so yeah the UK robots are going to seem more reliable. The US style also evolved from the arena. (non OOTA'able and no KE limit on spinner weapons and the RFL scoring system [6pts for damage, 5 pts for aggression])

The reason UK bots seem more reliable is they aren't getting hit by 90lb steel bars spinning at 3000 RPM. A magmotor is no more reliable on your side of the Atlantic or mine. :P

The better driver thing is also not true. Have you ever seen Original Sin, Sewer Snake, or SubZero fight? Those are some good drivers.

And US flippers: Upheaval (I know its good I've fought it 3 times), SubZero, Ziggy, Bounty Hunter.

Just my thoughts as a US builder.

Stagfish · « **Reply #78 on:** December 20, 2010, 05:00:45 PM »

But spinners were allowed in RW.

GoldenFox93 · « **Reply #79 on:** December 21, 2010, 09:18:25 AM »

Quote from: SKBT on December 20, 2010, 04:59:11 PM

Quote from: GoldenFox93 on December 20, 2010, 04:29:09 PM
Also agreed. To me, the US bots were superior in terms of the more destructive spinner-based weaponry, but I personally think that the UK generally had better pnuematic/hydraulic weaponry, better drivers, and more reliable robots.
If anything, more skill is necessary to succeed in UK robotics, whereas the US competitions seem to be mostly a contest of who can build the biggest weapon and push it into their opponents first.

The UK style of building evolved to the arena. (OOTA'able and no spinners allowed) so yeah the UK robots are going to seem more reliable. The US style also evolved from the arena. (non OOTA'able and no KE limit on spinner weapons and the RFL scoring system [6pts for damage, 5 pts for aggression])

The reason UK bots seem more reliable is they aren't getting hit by 90lb steel bars spinning at 3000 RPM. A magmotor is no more reliable on your side of the Atlantic or mine. :P

The better driver thing is also not true. Have you ever seen Original Sin, Sewer Snake, or SubZero fight? Those are some good drivers.

And US flippers: Upheaval (I know its good I've fought it 3 times), SubZero, Ziggy, Bounty Hunter.

Just my thoughts as a US builder.

I see. Although I might post my responses to each paragraph-

That is indeed true, but the US and UK robots seem to be built to resist different things. US bots are more designed to resist external damage (And give it out at the same time), whilst UK bots tend to be more reliable internally, in order to resist being shaken about by flipping weaponry. I'm not saying either one is superior to the other, but they seem to focus more on different aspects of their design.

Drivers? They are definitely good drivers, but we've also got excellent driving talent here in the UK- George Francis (Chaos 2), Kim Davies (Panic Attack), Ian and Joe Watts (Bigger Brother), the Rose Family (HypnoDisc), Ian Lewis (Razer), David Gribble (Pussycat, RIP), and Team Bud are just some of the names I can mention.

And the US flippers? The ones you mentioned are definitely amazing machines, hands down. However, to me, very good flippers like the ones you mentioned, tend to be few and far between in America.
We've had more practise at building robots with pnuematic and hydraulic weaponry (IE. Flippers, Lifters, Axes and Crushers) though, so I'd say that there is a higher concentration of good robots with these types of weaponry in the UK.