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Off-Topic => Real Robotics => Real Robotics Discussion => Topic started by: JoeBlo on September 03, 2010, 10:15:16 AM
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had this idea for some time now.. ever wonder in those split second moments if it went differently how things would change ?
for example...
Series 6 semis, Tornado vs Dominator 2, when Dominator pushed Tornado into Matilda and it nearly landed in the pit before Dominator drove in? how differently would series 6 have been if Tornado fell in?
Series 7 heat rumble.. Bigger Brother beat all robots including Typhoon 2, after flipping it they left it make it the 3rd immobile robot thus surviving but what if instead it flippers Typhoon oota ?
post your thoughts and situations you remember that could have easily changed a lot.
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Razer would have fought Dominator 2 in the Grand final (it could be possible that Firestorm would win, too), and won.
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I think Firestorm 4 would have beaten Dominator 2 myself.. it was much better then when they faced Firestorm 2
Edit: :O Post 10000
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If typhoon had been flipped oota by bigger brother then storm II would have rightly won the u.k championship, robot wars would have been on for atleat another season and chaos 3 would have been made (maybe).
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How would there be another season?
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Well if robot wars was stopped for health and safety reasons and typhoon was knocked out before it could go about destroying the arena, the safety concirns may never have arose.
An optimistic view but still it's a possibility
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Mentorn went bankrupt was why robot wars was stopped.
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Nobody actually knows. There are many theories.
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It said in a magezine that they went bankrupt and had to sell the arena.
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In a magazine? Links, source more info would be helpfull.
Besides i think that bankruptcy is unlikely, the show was very popular you know, plus even in season 7 the stands were always full.
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Just looked up mentorn and they still exist and seem to be doing well.
Atleast do a tiny bit of research before posting things as fact.
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I know Mentorn still exist, read my post fully next time. I said they had to sell the arena.
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On Sonny's RWW page it says that the magazines started coming out before the episodes did and people stopped watching because they didn't have to.
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Battlebots, anyone?
-Hazard beating T-Minus in S5 and facing S.O.B.
-Surgeon General winning against Overkill is S4
-Hexadecimator beating Aces&Eights in S5 and facing Biohazard
-Complete Control winning against Wrath Jr and Pyschotron in S5 and facing S.O.B.
-Wedge of Doom winning the S5 LW championship
-Defiant beating Ziggo a second time and becoming LB99 LW Champion
-The Crawler Weight Reduction Rule being enforced before Son of Whyachi competed in S3 HW.
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-Killerhurtz NOT getting lucky against Mauler
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What if Spaz happen not to win all his matches by being weird.
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If Hypno-Disc had a shrimech in the match against Chaos 2 in series 3
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If Blood Moon beat Mouser
If Drillzilla had won Heat D in series 1
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If Hypno-Disc had a shrimech in the match against Chaos 2 in series 3
Chaos 2 would`ve won either way. The Hypnos disc was getting slower and slower during Series 3.
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Battlebots S5, what if The Matador didn't get stuck on the wall and ended up beating Warhead.
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What about If in Season 5 Chaos 2 would
faced SMIDSY first, and Steel Avenger would
faced 8645T. Probably same like what
Chaos 2 did to Steel Avenger...
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Jonzu, is
it really
necessary
to talk like
this?
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Anyway, If Nightmare beat Warhead in BB S5 and faced The Matador= <3
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I have to. Or my Phone goes laggy.
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OK.
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Or if mauler never mauler danced?
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Then there would be one less team in the BBEANS AI Pack.
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It's understandable that Hypno Disc didn't have a srimech in Series 3. In the whole of Series 2, there were 3 robots who claimed to have srimechs, and only one that actually worked.
Corkscrew in Series 6, the captain said that there was a 20-second delay between Kronic pressing the pit release and the pit descending; they really did pull the rug out from under him there. Corkscrew could've easily beaten Terrorhurtz, and won its heat.
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Then there would be one less team in the BBEANS AI Pack.
No, the team would still be there, it'd just be called something else.
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If Mortis hadn't broken their axe right before the match with Recyclopse in Series 1.
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Cassius flipped PA in S2 grand final, they had the chance and missed!
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Cassius flipped PA in S2 grand final, they had the chance and missed!
Oh yeah, that one was a shocker.
If the driver had just been a bit quicker.
Infact, maybe they should have just used a better driver, they might not have got pushed into the pit.
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have you seen Rex's controller for Cassius ? it made it a bit of a handful to drive and fire weapons.. really they should have had 2 different controllers like most teams do... or a separate button for the flipper.
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have you seen Rex's controller for Cassius ? it made it a bit of a handful to drive and fire weapons.. really they should have had 2 different controllers like most teams do... or a separate button for the flipper.
I don't know about the other teams, but he was probably limited by the technology at the time.
It's weird how from series 2 to season 3 the robots got infinitely more complex.
I think the same thing would have happened in season 8 if they hadn't stopped robot wars.
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Hmm.. one I'm thinking of is if Razer didn't break down in that arena battle in S2 with Inquisitor. Definetely would of won that atleast. I seem to think Behemoth was a plowbot back then (Haven't seen it in action) so it should of been fairly simple. Otherwise maybe not.
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I'd agree with that one.
One scenario I'd think of, is what if Mace, during its Face-Off in the Gauntlet with Panic Attack in the Semi-Final of Series 2, had chosen the left-hand route instead of the right, not had to take on the Sentinel, and not gotten pushed into the pit. Maybe it could have gone a lot furrther. Maybe Mortis would have ended up in the Final instead.
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Hmm.. one I'm thinking of is if Razer didn't break down in that arena battle in S2 with Inquisitor. Definetely would of won that atleast. I seem to think Behemoth was a plowbot back then (Haven't seen it in action) so it should of been fairly simple. Otherwise maybe not.
I have the set of RW ultimate warrior DVDs and the Razor team said they told them to go into the crusher BACKWARDS WITH FLAIL SPINNING and it broke razor.
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Razor? Waddat?
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Razor was a flail spinner now apparently :rolleyes:
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Razer would have fought Biohazard at Longbeach in '99 Battlebots if he hadn't lost to Tazbot...
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If Cassius II hadn't gone into the pit whilst fighting Pussycat?
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If BBC hadn't given Robot Wars to Five?
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if chaos 2 dident exist no oota :rage
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if chaos 2 dident exist no oota :rage
There's a likelihood it could have happened, albiet performed by a different robot.
Possibly an American one :frown:
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if chaos 2 dident exist no oota :rage
So, just because Chaos 2 didn't exist, no other flipper could've done it?
That... Makes about as much sense as me spelling the second sence in this sentence wrong.
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If Cassius or Vlad the Impaler didn't exist... then there would be a srimech. (Well it would come eventualy but that was pretty revalutionary back then)
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Biohazard was the first to self-right lol.
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If mauler had been allowed in the british RW, would it have mauler danced?
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Wrong sir. Vlad had his srimech in 1995. Biohazard could self right in 1996 (because he didn't have his skirts)
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If mauler had been allowed in the british RW, would it have mauler danced?
DP
The version of Mauler that Mauler'd was Mauler 51-50. The Mauler who entered in Robot Wars was Mauler 2000 IMO, the better one.
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Wrong sir. Vlad had his srimech in 1995. Biohazard could self right in 1996 (because he didn't have his skirts)
No
http://robotwars.wikia.com/wiki/Srimech#History_of_the_Srimech (http://robotwars.wikia.com/wiki/Srimech#History_of_the_Srimech)
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If mauler had been allowed in the british RW, would it have mauler danced?
DP
The version of Mauler that Mauler'd was Mauler 51-50. The Mauler who entered in Robot Wars was Mauler 2000 IMO, the better one.
I know that, I was just trying to be clever :p
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Wrong sir. Vlad had his srimech in 1995. Biohazard could self right in 1996 (because he didn't have his skirts)
No
http://robotwars.wikia.com/wiki/Srimech#History_of_the_Srimech (http://robotwars.wikia.com/wiki/Srimech#History_of_the_Srimech)
Mmm...Ask Aaron lies...
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I reckon, if Cassius II hadn't gone down the pit, it almost certainly would have reached the Semi-Final. I suspect it probably could have beaten 101, almost certainly would have beaten Hypno-Disc, Steg-O-Saw-Us would have been easy pickings, but I reckon Chaos 2 might have beaten it, personally. Better flipper design, I think.
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Wrong sir. Vlad had his srimech in 1995. Biohazard could self right in 1996 (because he didn't have his skirts)
No
http://robotwars.wikia.com/wiki/Srimech#History_of_the_Srimech (http://robotwars.wikia.com/wiki/Srimech#History_of_the_Srimech)
Mmm...Ask Aaron lies...
ORLY
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I reckon, if Cassius II hadn't gone down the pit, it almost certainly would have reached the Semi-Final. I suspect it probably could have beaten 101, almost certainly would have beaten Hypno-Disc, Steg-O-Saw-Us would have been easy pickings, but I reckon Chaos 2 might have beaten it, personally. Better flipper design, I think.
Yeah...Cassius II vs Chaos 2 almost certainly would have been classic! :gawe:
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YA RLY
Anyways, I wonder what would have happened if Toro didn't lost to Atomic Wedgie In season 2.0 of Battlebots. That would have been awesome to see Toro fight Diesector. (Two of my favourite 'bots)
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If Overkill hadn't gotten lucky against Surgeon General (or Mechavore, for that matter), Series 4 of Battlebots would have gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay differently.
Also I agree with Enigma here.
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About the srimech thingy?
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the Diesector and Toro thingy.
Also, Ziggo would have won S5 if not for Code Black and if Dr. Inferno Jr had beaten Pursuer in Series 4 they would have met in the semi's (and I doubt it would have went any differently)
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If Cassius or Vlad the Impaler didn't exist... then there would be a srimech. (Well it would come eventualy but that was pretty revalutionary back then)
It was BioHazard who did it first back in 1996.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXT8-oAG8NM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXT8-oAG8NM#)
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However, Biohazard beat Vlad the Impaler by pinning it against the wall for 30 seconds.
The match ended and Biohazard released its foe, but Vlad, apparently disappointed at the loss, turned and used its pneumatic lifter on Biohazard to flip it over.
Biohazard was able to self-right by use of its electric lifting arm. This is generally believed to be the first display of self-righting at a tournament, but it took place after the conclusion of a match and had no bearing on the outcome.
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Yet it was still the first self-right
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Yet it was still the first self-right
But it didn't have an effect on the outcome of the fight.
Cassius self-righting against Roadblock did, and when it did it during the gauntlet run, it became the first to right itself and continue a battle using it.
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the outcome of the fight doesn't matter... it was the first combat robot to show that it could put itself back on its wheels. simple
some of you make up the stupidest things to try and prove things wrong :rolleyes:
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I would have liked to see Biohazard fight Warhead to in Season 5.0
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I would have liked to see Biohazard get absolutely and utterly destroyed by Warhead to in Season 5.0
Fixxxed
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I would have liked to see Biohazard get absolutely and utterly destroyed by Warhead to in Season 5.0
Fixxxed
Wrong sir. Biohazard was able to take a huge beating from Son Of Whyatchi in Season 3.0 (who was also technically a superheavy weight) and was still able to fight on. My guess would be that Warhead might rip off a skirt or two off Biohazard, but Biohazard would still get in enough points from lifts, hazard damge, etc, that he would end up winning by a judge's decision. This is not bias either, simply looking at these two 'bots statistic wise.
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I would have liked to see Biohazard get absolutely and utterly destroyed by Warhead to in Season 5.0
Fixxxed
Wrong sir. Biohazard was able to take a huge beating from Son Of Whyatchi in Season 3.0 (who was also technically a superheavy weight) and was still able to fight on. My guess would be that Warhead might rip off a skirt or two off Biohazard, but Biohazard would still get in enough points from lifts, hazard damge, etc, that he would end up winning by a judge's decision. This is not bias either, simply looking at these two 'bots statistic wise.
Nah, I was merely voicing my dislike for biohazard.
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I'm not sure, to be honest. We've seen Biohazard take damage from spinners like Son of Whyachi and Megabyte in the past, and it's always managed to run on, such its its immense reliability. Likewise, Warhead has its huge weapon power and self-righting capabilities, and is also very reliable, as even though it took a pasting from Overkill, it still hung on for a judges decision.
But out of those two? I don't know, I really wouldn't want to call it. My guess is that Warhead could cause enough damage to scrape a judge's decision.
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The thing is, what I really would like to see is biohazard in the british RW.
I may get my head bitten off for this, but I think that it would be an also-ran in there.
I mean, generally the RW bots were the more reliable and tactical while the BB bots were more destructive, but not as, long lasting, if you get what I mean, and that's what allowed biohazard (with it's great reliability and armour) to excell in BB.
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Agreed.
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Also agreed. To me, the US bots were superior in terms of the more destructive spinner-based weaponry, but I personally think that the UK generally had better pnuematic/hydraulic weaponry, better drivers, and more reliable robots.
If anything, more skill is necessary to succeed in UK robotics, whereas the US competitions seem to be mostly a contest of who can build the biggest weapon and push it into their opponents first.
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@Scorp
That was kinda the appeal of Battlebots. Destruction. While I object to the point that destruction is the only thing that matters in robot combat, that's kinda the appeal to the American audience. (This is why I'm not going to enter in the RFL this year, even though I might try to go) But I still think that even if Biohazard went into RW, I think it'd do well. And I think one of the reasons builders made there 'bots more reliable in RW was just incase they would face the wrath of the house robots.
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What would have happened if I had TOAST instead of CORNFLAKES for breakfast this morning?
PHEW DODGED A BULLET THERE
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I have no idea. Maybe the world would explode.
Anyways at Enigma, Thry started to do the more destruction thing in England when they only exepted robots with weapons.
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Meh, I think that overall RW had the better bots by the end of it's life (when a lot of the joke entry's had dropped out).
Although I still think BB was awesome aswell :mrgreen:
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Anyways at Enigma, Thry started to do the more destruction thing in England when they only accepted robots with weapons.
And then they made a mockery of the show through doing so- that, and the fact that once there weren't many viewers due to the piss-poor timeslot they gave it (6pm on Sundays!), Five didn't once consider themselves as a result of it, and instead blamed it on the show itself.
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Also agreed. To me, the US bots were superior in terms of the more destructive spinner-based weaponry, but I personally think that the UK generally had better pnuematic/hydraulic weaponry, better drivers, and more reliable robots.
If anything, more skill is necessary to succeed in UK robotics, whereas the US competitions seem to be mostly a contest of who can build the biggest weapon and push it into their opponents first.
The UK style of building evolved to the arena. (OOTA'able and no spinners allowed) so yeah the UK robots are going to seem more reliable. The US style also evolved from the arena. (non OOTA'able and no KE limit on spinner weapons and the RFL scoring system [6pts for damage, 5 pts for aggression])
The reason UK bots seem more reliable is they aren't getting hit by 90lb steel bars spinning at 3000 RPM. A magmotor is no more reliable on your side of the Atlantic or mine. :P
The better driver thing is also not true. Have you ever seen Original Sin, Sewer Snake, or SubZero fight? Those are some good drivers.
And US flippers: Upheaval (I know its good I've fought it 3 times), SubZero, Ziggy, Bounty Hunter.
Just my thoughts as a US builder.
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But spinners were allowed in RW.
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Also agreed. To me, the US bots were superior in terms of the more destructive spinner-based weaponry, but I personally think that the UK generally had better pnuematic/hydraulic weaponry, better drivers, and more reliable robots.
If anything, more skill is necessary to succeed in UK robotics, whereas the US competitions seem to be mostly a contest of who can build the biggest weapon and push it into their opponents first.
The UK style of building evolved to the arena. (OOTA'able and no spinners allowed) so yeah the UK robots are going to seem more reliable. The US style also evolved from the arena. (non OOTA'able and no KE limit on spinner weapons and the RFL scoring system [6pts for damage, 5 pts for aggression])
The reason UK bots seem more reliable is they aren't getting hit by 90lb steel bars spinning at 3000 RPM. A magmotor is no more reliable on your side of the Atlantic or mine. :P
The better driver thing is also not true. Have you ever seen Original Sin, Sewer Snake, or SubZero fight? Those are some good drivers.
And US flippers: Upheaval (I know its good I've fought it 3 times), SubZero, Ziggy, Bounty Hunter.
Just my thoughts as a US builder.
I see. Although I might post my responses to each paragraph-
That is indeed true, but the US and UK robots seem to be built to resist different things. US bots are more designed to resist external damage (And give it out at the same time), whilst UK bots tend to be more reliable internally, in order to resist being shaken about by flipping weaponry. I'm not saying either one is superior to the other, but they seem to focus more on different aspects of their design.
Drivers? They are definitely good drivers, but we've also got excellent driving talent here in the UK- George Francis (Chaos 2), Kim Davies (Panic Attack), Ian and Joe Watts (Bigger Brother), the Rose Family (HypnoDisc), Ian Lewis (Razer), David Gribble (Pussycat, RIP), and Team Bud are just some of the names I can mention.
And the US flippers? The ones you mentioned are definitely amazing machines, hands down. However, to me, very good flippers like the ones you mentioned, tend to be few and far between in America.
We've had more practise at building robots with pnuematic and hydraulic weaponry (IE. Flippers, Lifters, Axes and Crushers) though, so I'd say that there is a higher concentration of good robots with these types of weaponry in the UK.
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Its like evolution.
If you put a cell in a hot place and a cell in a cold place after a long time they will adapt to their enviroment.
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driving skills showed though in RW more due to things like the pit, OOTA and house robots.
where as BB they had hazards but really the only way out for you opponent was in multiple pieces.. there was no easy victory route, destroy or be destroyed, sometimes hazards changed match outcomes but really a robot had to deal the damage.