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Site News and Feedback / Re: New Warning System
« on: May 13, 2016, 09:26:32 AM »
Awesome, a solid ruleset like this was sorely needed

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Chatterbox / Re: im dying inside
« on: May 13, 2016, 09:24:33 AM »
no, it's just TRB sh**posting

But memes are the best medicine when you're pissed off!
Can I prescribe you a tall glass of bleach?

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Discussion / Re: Robot Arena 3 Q&A Threads
« on: May 12, 2016, 04:39:43 PM »
Thanks, this is actually super useful. Just a thought, is there gonna be a patchnote thread on release?

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General Support / Re: Problem with Tanto in Robot Wars Mod
« on: May 12, 2016, 04:32:48 PM »
>finally learns how to edit control schemes in the bot file
>ignored by the person that asked

k cool
But bfe is bad and cheating

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Site News and Feedback / Re: ITT why Goon should be banned
« on: May 11, 2016, 04:21:55 PM »
Well hi there.
Time to set some things straight.

Those that know me personally know everything I do for this forum, I do for it's longevity and the happiness of the userbase as a whole. It's telling to me that those who had 'less than kind' words to say about me are those who do not know me at all.
Last night was evidently not good for me. Middle of my final uni exam period, I had an exam yesterday and had been drinking. I am stressed beyond belief even without this situation; Take that as you will. I'm sorry for my reactions but I'm not apologizing for my viewpoints.

Tom; Don't even worry man. Haven't read your message as of yet but I don't need to honestly, you're a great user who wants whats best for the community, and that's exactly why we got you covering the Tournament section.

Yes, the reason I didn't want to explain the intricacies was because I wanted the staff to be agreed on it being a good idea before we posed it to you guys. If you don't think that's a suitable course of action then we have to agree to disagree. In my opinion, the staff should get the overall say in any community, so if the staff haven't fully agreed on a matter yet, it seems aimless to relay it to the community.

So yeah, back. Again.
News over the actual topic at hand in this thread will come over the next few days after we have had time to discuss at our pace.
Thanks for giving some context. Hopefully your exams are going well.

I don't think anyone was questioning your intentions, which are clearly good.

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Site News and Feedback / Re: ITT why Goon should be banned
« on: May 11, 2016, 06:06:22 AM »
None of the permabans have been permanent ? I noticeably remember TRIAS and Noodle being permabanned, and the forum is very well off without those two.

Judging from the staff's opinion about banning him, I can say Andrew is going towards a permaban as well...
yes, but so far every member that I can think of that has multiaccounted through a permaban has been allowed to unless they break forum rules again on their 2nd account

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Discussion / Re: Robot Arena 3!
« on: May 11, 2016, 06:04:13 AM »
The RA3 Will be free?
I'm afraid not, this is something we'll all be buying (except if you're a dirty filthy pirate in which you'll be illegally acquiring it.)
I only has zero money.

Trust me, I know them feels. But you could save up, or get a job, and just get some steam credit when you can. I don't think everyone's gonna switch to ra3 right away.
Uhhh good luck finding steam credits in china
hes malaysian.

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Site News and Feedback / Re: Reworked Sections/Boards
« on: May 11, 2016, 05:45:11 AM »
Just what we needed, thanks Trov! A RA3 section might be useful fo the devs too, since they won't have to trawl through the single RA3 thread we had before.

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Site News and Feedback / Re: ITT why Goon should be banned
« on: May 11, 2016, 05:43:57 AM »
No I can use it and I don't need to share because it's not something that needs to be shared until all the mods agree on it.
I'm genuinely trying to make a solution for EVERYONE here and improve future situations that may arise meanwhile you lot are making it absolutely BLOOPing infuriating and I'm sick of trying so I'm done.
So you post that you're working on an appeal system, and start crying when people ask about what you mean by that and how it would work. There's basically no reason that I can see to keep something like that secret from the community, and community feedback would be important for this kind of thing, in my view. .

Craaig was frustrated at this point, so he wasn't posting the most sane stuff.

The appeal system as proposed by Craaig was that permabans could be appealed after 6 months of ban, and that we would listen to the appeal, and that the staff would decide to let the banned member come back, with 2 months of "zero tolerance" where we get rid of him permanently if he goes over 50% warning (no more appeals possible, he'd be gone for good).

That was the appeal system.

Now I agree that if we do that for permabans it doesn't make much sense since a permaban is supposed to be permanent.

Yet again, we permabanned andrew because we were all quite frankly sick of his behavior and constant flaming and trolling and sneakily insulting the staff, and it was a good thing at the time.

Right now, circumstances have changed, and as said before I stand by what I've said : I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, I will be merciless if he continues his previous behavior.
Thanks nar. That system seems pretty reasonable. We keep using the word "permaban" but none of the supposed permabans have actually been permanent, maybe bans of X months or a year should be given instead, since current permabans are basically being ignored?

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Site News and Feedback / Re: ITT why Goon should be banned
« on: May 11, 2016, 04:20:21 AM »
No I can use it and I don't need to share because it's not something that needs to be shared until all the mods agree on it.
I'm genuinely trying to make a solution for EVERYONE here and improve future situations that may arise meanwhile you lot are making it absolutely BLOOPing infuriating and I'm sick of trying so I'm done.
So you post that you're working on an appeal system, and start crying when people ask about what you mean by that and how it would work. There's basically no reason that I can see to keep something like that secret from the community, and community feedback would be important for this kind of thing, in my view.

Admins are looked up to as sources of information and a place to submit feedback. While I understand that often it is  a thankless job, but Craaig knew (or should've known) what the admin position entailed, including the community management and communication aspect. To be honest I think he is the sole cause of his own anger, rather than the community.

Edit:
Ninja'd by naryar

Maybe a new coloured title for troublemakers, with limited posting rights for x amount of time? I'm just throwing ideas out there

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Site News and Feedback / Re: ITT why Goon should be banned
« on: May 10, 2016, 06:21:36 PM »
Earlier on I did propose a system involving appeals after timeframes and stuff that we are talking about, I think it'll work well.
(N.B. don't critique this message as OMG BAD IDEA because you don't know the whole proposal and you'll look dumb)
Maybe it would be a good idea to share said proposal with us?

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Site News and Feedback / Re: ITT why Goon should be banned
« on: May 10, 2016, 05:14:13 PM »
@Yugitom: The problem with your proposition is that if Andrew were to return after that temp ban, there would be little guarantee that his behaviour would improve after his sentence, seeing as he has had a history of being muted and warned in the past. With a permanent ban, your message is far likelier to get across as it is the most severe punishment a forum can deliver, whilst still leaving the door open for reformation.
However, he had the comfort of knowing he wasn't IP banned and that he could come back whenever he wanted, once people had calmed down. Something which he did. He didn't wait until he thought he was rehabilitated enough for the forum to handle him, he just came back at his leisure when he thought the reaction to his arrival would be exactly as it's panned out right now, a lot of people defending him asking to give him a second chance.

Also, with the court comparison, I would say it's more to do with being given life and then getting out early on good behaviour. However, the argument of whether life should actually mean life is something different.

I agree that the discretion on the minimum time a user should spend being banned before being allowed into the community should be decided upon by the staff, but the staff did agree to allow Andy to come back onto the website provided he followed their terms and conditions.

Parole hearings are still granted whether the prisoner is worthy or not of being released from jail; the only thing that needs to be done is for the prisoner to serve the minimum sentence. It is then the judicial system's decision whether or not the prisoner should be paroled or not.
This isn't a minimum time issue. He was permanently banned, not temporarily. That's the kind of ban that is the last resort. By using a ban like that, I would assume that the person or people behind the decision to apply it had no intention of the member returning. Although HA was allowed to return, I really don't see why he was. He may have been sincere and upfront about his return but, surely, that doesn't matter in this case.

What I'm trying to get at it is, who's being held accountable for the initial perma-banning of HA? I think I need to know exactly why he or a collective did it to understand whether or not quashing the ban is reasonable. Because, right now, it seems like Craaig let him back on the basis that he hasn't been around for a while and must've changed.

On the one hand, there's actually zero reason to let him stay, given what we know, on the other, what's the worst that could happen? But for everyone complaining about consistency in the rules, that's literally never been the case
Then, how about we start now? Perhaps it'll set the mods off on a good track record of upholding rules and keeping them consistent.
He's been allowed to stay because the precedent for this kind of thing is that permabans aren't really very permanent.

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Site News and Feedback / Re: ITT why Goon should be banned
« on: May 10, 2016, 03:57:54 PM »
I did some research into the subject, and I'm pretty sure that anyone prominent that has been perma-banned has made some kind of attempt to return to the site, whether it's to change their behaviour so they can be given another chance or to just continue trolling. If we know it's Andy, and he's not actively breaking the rules, and has had an extended hiatus from the website, why should he banned again?
Rules need to be upheld properly, even if that wasn't the case in the past. I think the question here is with what those rules should be.
Although I agree the rules should be upheld (Andy even broke the multi-account rule by making the new account in the first place, something which Mechadino was, at least, muted for, iirc), this isn't a question of what the rules should be, as we're already at the point at which someone has been perma-banned. What might be wrong was the decision to ban him permanently in the first place, considering how everyone is being so vocal about giving him a second chance.

My opinion is that, if he was permanently banned, he shouldn't even have the option (never mind anyone in the past that actually did) to come back. If the higher-ups felt that the situation with Andy was so dire that he needed to be permanently banned, then he should stay that way. If the higher-ups thought that some time off would do him good but it's so dire he just needs about half a year being banned, then they would have done that.
That's fair, but then every other member who was permabanned should be re-permabanned.

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Site News and Feedback / Re: ITT why Goon should be banned
« on: May 10, 2016, 03:15:59 PM »
I did some research into the subject, and I'm pretty sure that anyone prominent that has been perma-banned has made some kind of attempt to return to the site, whether it's to change their behaviour so they can be given another chance or to just continue trolling. If we know it's Andy, and he's not actively breaking the rules, and has had an extended hiatus from the website, why should he banned again?
Rules need to be upheld properly, even if that wasn't the case in the past. I think the question here is with what those rules should be.

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Music ATM
« on: May 10, 2016, 12:31:55 PM »
You really can't call any music objectively bad. I mean,  I guess you can but there's no real point. If someone enjoys a song, can it even be bad? I like some really "bad" artists, and dislike a lot of "good"  music by "better" artists. Music is too subjective to be called objectively good or bad.

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Site News and Feedback / Re: ITT why Goon should be banned
« on: May 10, 2016, 12:23:14 PM »
Whatever you guys decide, you have to apply it for all users,  evenly and fairly. That means if you say that once you're permabanned,  you're really permabanned, then the above accounts should be permabanned too. Personally, I think permabans aren't necessary. A year ban mac would suffice in almost every situation. As for HA/goon, if hes gonna be allowed on this account you may as well unban his main so at least we all know who he is.

That's just my 2cents

Edit:
For the record, I think HA should be let off in this case due to precedent (lra2 and sparkey) and rules should be drafted and set in stone for bans and multiaccounting, and ADHERED TO

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Off-Topic Discussion / Re: Music ATM
« on: May 08, 2016, 05:13:46 PM »


How do you guys get your music? Subscription services like spotify, stores like iTunes or Google Play, piracy or old-fashioned CDs?

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DSL TC Showcases / Re: WenXiangLee DSL Showcase
« on: May 08, 2016, 04:35:05 PM »
Is it just me who thinks that smart zone is far too small/top far back ? In fact, do you even need a smartzone to ai this bot?
No, you don't. He also doesn't need the ridiculously heavy plough at the back, and the weapon motor is too weak for a SHW, as are the drive motors, and the wheels are too big, and I'm sure this design cant work without a wedge.

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Existing Games / Re: Overwatch
« on: May 06, 2016, 01:55:34 PM »
If Blizzard supports it properly this game could have a decent eSports scene. They already have a couple of CS pros and quake/reflex players switching over trying to go pro.

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Tournament Archives / Re: General Tournament Discussion
« on: May 05, 2016, 05:47:37 PM »
Meltybrain ai is banned in almost every tournament because its fundamentally broken.
People only started banning MB recently.
I meant it's currently banned in nearly every tournament, so he should consider banning it too.

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