New Glitch - Hax Mode

[kill343gs]

c) Put up with it and use your common sense to decide whether they have used this glitch or done it properly.

If we do anything besides this, we are essentially killing what we all know as stock RA2... Adding extra restrictions is not going to solve anything and is nothing short of an overreaction to something we've basically been dealing with since the advent of BFE and AAM.

[Gazea2]

c) Put up with it and use your common sense to decide whether they have used this glitch or done it properly.

If we do anything besides this, we are essentially killing what we all know as stock RA2... Adding extra restrictions is not going to solve anything and is nothing short of an overreaction to something we've basically been dealing with since the advent of BFE and AAM.

I couldn't agree more.

[Vertigo]

Just don't release it and don't cause all the debate and trouble

[Sage]

Just don't release it and don't cause all the debate and trouble

Exactly

[kill343gs]

Just don't release it and don't cause all the debate and trouble

Exactly

Assuming that others aren't capable of figuring it out.

[Sage]

we haven't released the glitch yet, so obviously people know you're cheating.

No they dont.. its not impossible for someone else to figure it out..

Its just the same as claiming a BFE job to be legit... only 6 Stacked Z-Teks doesn't look suspect anymore..

Or it people do something legit (like the 3 Servos on the last page) and we try to ban it becasue its suspect to a glitch we dont even know.

Without the "common sense limit" Stacking just isnt balanced ground now.. My thoughts is that it should go...

But Please head back to the actual topic now, I have shown what I wish to show in my showcase..

I don't understand... are you trying to get us to release it or not? Cause normal stacking is not subject to this new glitch if no one knows how to do it.

Just don't release it and don't cause all the debate and trouble

Exactly

Assuming that others aren't capable of figuring it out.

At that time, THEN let us have this discussion.

[Gazea2]

If you don't release it, though, people will always have their suspicions about you whenever you post a new bot or enter a tourney.

[Sage]

If you don't release it, though, people will always have their suspicions about you whenever you post a new bot or enter a tourney.

Go for it. I mean seriously what could I enter into a tourney that LOOKS legit but is superstacked? You think I'd use hax mode for stacking blacks or something? Honestly.

[kill343gs]

Assuming that others aren't capable of figuring it out.

At that time, THEN let us have this discussion.

At that point it could be too late. We may be unfairly delaying someone's tournament or something so we can kick and scratch each other over a person's entry. We may as well figure this out now so we don't have to deal with this later. Obviously people are pretty fired up about this even though it isn't nearly as big a deal as they think it is...

[Gazea2]

If you don't release it, though, people will always have their suspicions about you whenever you post a new bot or enter a tourney.

Go for it. I mean seriously what could I enter into a tourney that LOOKS legit but is superstacked? You think I'd use hax mode for stacking blacks or something? Honestly.

I wouldn't. Other people might. I'm just throwing out possibilities.

[Vertigo]

If you don't release it, though, people will always have their suspicions about you whenever you post a new bot or enter a tourney.

I believe that Sage and Scrap are good enough members to be trusted

[russian roulette]

If executing this glitch is harder than stacking, then I believe we should all ignore this whole conundrum. Sage and Scrap are trusted members and I believe that this would not effect stock in any way, shape or form.

[System32]

Just don't release it and don't cause all the debate and trouble

Like this whole thread? Half the trouble is caused by not releasing it anyway.
 
If the glitch is so hard anyway release it. It's pretty hypocriticl for a forum to keep hiding building techniques.
 
This about this: If the eFFe and Rupt glitch were kelp secret, where would we all be now?

[kill343gs]

I think S32 brings up a good point. Effe glitch was supposed to ruin stock. Rupt, not quite as big of a deal, but I'm sure there were some doomsayers...

[Sage]

Because this glitch is OP. Effe, Rupt, and even sloading have limitations.

[System32]

didn't you say that this was both difficult and had limits on exostacking?

[Sage]

didn't you say that this was both difficult and had limits on exostacking?

Well yes, exostacking batteries. Anything else works. Way OP.

[R0B0SH4RK]

I don't really see how Hax Mode will ruin stock. Most of you seem to be equating stacking directly with how good the robot is. Following this logic, more stacking = better robot, therefore unlimited stacking = unbeatable bot. This could not be further from the truth. All stacking does is minimize weight spent on the chassis, therefore providing more possibilities for other components. An inefficient use of these components will still yield terrible bots.

I built R4 coming up on 6 years ago, it was 4-5 years old when I entered it into BBEANS. Exactly zero components on it were stacked, and the razors were only attached with some really basic eFFeing. Yet, it widthstood the test of time and took out almost all comers, including Inf's Absolute Chaos, the supposed "unbeatable" 36HS that used tons of stacking, eFFeing and sloading. This should be all of the proof that you need that good design still beats good stacking.

The "Death of Stock" argument also fails to put Hax Mode's applications on all bot types into the equation. Sure, we'd get spinners with more spikes, but we could also have popups with stronger defense, rammers with more impressive weaponry, quicker, more compact VS, and who knows what other effects on building. With new possibilities, we might actually be able to balance the playing field a bit for Rammers and VS. We don't know.
 
Bottom line: I don't see what the big deal is whether or not it's released for public use. I'm confident that Scrap and Sage will refrain from using this glitch for tourneys because they're concerned with the integrity of Stock. If it isn't released, it really doesn't affect the rest of us at all. And if it is released, it won't rape Stock to the extent that we're all afraid of. It's not a really big deal, guys.

[Sage]

Actually robo AC doesn't have any sloading :D

[Vertigo]

TBH, that's actually a good point robo, hadn't thought of it like that