Author Topic: Ironclash - Discussion (Read 4683 times)

cephalopod · « **on:** July 28, 2015, 02:22:12 PM »

No meme tournament for now, sorry :)

Building Rules
-Ironforge v1.1
-Middleweight (up to 200kg, with 4 ballasts allowed on top of this for no cost)
-Standard (DSL-S) realism (You can enter an IRL bot but you will more than likely be at a large disadvantage)
-Multibots allowed to a maximum of 2.
-No cheatbot2 or custom components.
-No out of botlab editing whatsoever.
-Bots must show controlled movement.
-No SnS or bots utilizing meltybrain.
Tournament Guidelines
-Unlimited slots, but 1 entry per person.
-Signups will be open for 1 week and no longer. Entries sent before signups open will be rejected.
-Entries cannot be updated, unless they are rejected for breaking rules, in which case they have 1 chance to fix before disqualification.
-I can AI for you but it will be the most basic line - it will move in the right way and use it's weapons, nothing more.
Battle Rules
-3 minute matches in the -------- arena (TBD)
-Single elimination bracket
-1 restart per bot per match for any match-affecting Havok explosion - any more and the bot will be disqualified.
-I will enter. Entry TBD.

Thoughts?

Squirrel_Monkey · « **Reply #1 on:** July 28, 2015, 02:28:39 PM »

It would be good to have a standard Ironforge tourney.
What's with the silly old no 1WD rule?

Sircreepalot2 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 28, 2015, 02:31:12 PM »

Seems fair, but pretty basic. But i think basic is good. Too bad i have no clue how to build in IF or i would join.

RedAce · « **Reply #3 on:** July 28, 2015, 02:53:43 PM »

Seems simple enough, I will try to enter. You think you can make a poll for the arena or no?

cephalopod · « **Reply #4 on:** July 28, 2015, 02:56:24 PM »

Sure, will do.
This was going to be RIP5 but I'm fed up of the RIP name so yeah, that might explain the simplicity. It's an old school tournament in a new mod.

Reier · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2015, 03:01:54 PM »

yes please we need more IF tourneys

ban sns or at least meltybrain please, AI in this game cannot handle them

cephalopod · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2015, 03:50:44 PM »

I've been trying to think of a fair way to balance them out - after all, Mr AS's SnS dominated RIP4. Perhaps a low walled arena could be a solution?

Reier · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:04:53 PM »

if you won't ban all sns (which would be great) please ban homing/flanking sns like the ones in the IF AI, other bots absolutely cannot deal with them. The ra2 AI is too dumb to rush down a flanking target. it just sits in place and turns to try to face it while the sns gets free hits in. it won't even attack. There is not a single type of bot that can counter it. even superflat popups are not ideal.

cephalopod · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:13:57 PM »

I added a poll regarding SnS. In the interests of transparency, I voted to ban them as I agree with Reier.

(Also in the interests of transparency, the results of the poll may not represent my end choice for the rules.)

Reier · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:14:40 PM »

thanks for considering

Squirrel_Monkey · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:22:07 PM »

If we're banning melty-brain. Can we allow 1WD like this bot?

Reier · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:30:04 PM »

the reason meltybrain is cheap is because it exploits the other ai's lack of ability: it can move and removes the other bot's ability to do so.
the thing for other 1wd bots though is even if they're KIND of controlled movement it's a fine line and could easily fall into crawler territory. you just give up a motor/controllability for more weapons. i personally think 2wd should almost always be the minimum. not necessarily on AWs but that's the exception.

G.K. · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2015, 04:53:10 PM »

*is excited*

ecolusian · « **Reply #13 on:** July 29, 2015, 10:35:39 AM »

SWEET! a place to test my robot building skills and enter a tourney at that... =) i gotta get to buildin!

Naryar · « **Reply #14 on:** July 29, 2015, 03:48:58 PM »

i fail to see why SnS should be banned. SnS aren't invulnerable.

Removing 1WD bots/uncontrolled movement bots is all good, however, even though no one will seriously enter an 1WD bot in a MW tourney.

Sircreepalot2 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 29, 2015, 03:54:52 PM »

What is meltybrain?

cephalopod · « **Reply #16 on:** July 29, 2015, 04:27:20 PM »

The poll has spoken and SnS in general will be banned, along with any bot utilizing meltybrain tactics (meltybrain is when an SnS doesn't just Sit n Spin but Move Scarily Towards You n Spin).
I'll add another poll after I've done a few things to decide the arena choice.

Mystic2000 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2015, 04:47:09 AM »

Definitively going to enter, if i can find something to build that is, if there are any suggestions i'll welcome them with open arms

ecolusian · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2015, 10:14:01 AM »

whats the difference between sns and thwacker?

cephalopod · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2015, 10:32:19 AM »

Nothing really. Thwacks tend to have only 1 arm though. I'm not sure on where the rules would lie for a thwack currently.

Poll

Arena choice?

Author Topic: Ironclash - Discussion (Read 4683 times)