For once the mods did something right
Okay so I'm gonna come in and play bad cop here.What you're suggesting is essentially just regular GTM tournaments, but only open to certain people. If a tournament on GTM grounds is taking entries, it cannot be discriminative of what groups of people or where you're taking entries from. People can't be left out just because they're not in a certain server/group/whatever.You're of course welcome to host these but they're not GTM-sanctioned tournaments so shouldn't really be in the GTM Tournament section.My idea for the display tournament section is to remove it entirely and move everything in there to Off-Topic, but that's me.
As currently written, display tournaments are specifically not to accept entrants of any kind. This was written at a point in time where we were essentially the only community involved with RA2. With the recent instances of redditbots, banter wars, etc, we feel as though this deserves a rewrite to accommodate these additional avenues of RA2 content that are not centered around GTM. We are currently in discussions on how best to bring you the best of both worlds.We run our tournament section the way we do because we want to guarantee to you that your time won't be wasted when a tournament isn't finished or is run improperly or unfairly. We have staff that are specifically dedicated to ensuring that these run smoothly and in a reasonable amount of time.For a game as old as this, we think it's important that we, in some way, shape or form, offer a platform for people to share and enjoy any content that relates to it. We hope to find a balance between the two sides to this issue.Please understand that this is an issue that has just now gained our attention. I'm not interested in making sweeping decisions by myself or with minimal input. I don't always have the best answers for everything. I'm dedicated to making sure the staff as a whole gets a chance to be involved with these decisions, so they take a few days sometimes. In the meantime, we ask you to please respect the rules that are currently in place.
Firstly to Ceph: However these side-tourneys shouldn't be classed as off-topic, they are related to RA2, a game we all love and should have a home somewhere if possible.Kill: That sounds a lot more reasonable. I'll continue posting in the Off-Topic but the fact it was so sudden kinda disheartened me. I don't fully agree with why it was moved but on the flip side, I'm happy this topic is being looked at.
Firstly to Ceph: I don't see where Hoppin suggested tourneys for select/certain people. As far as I can tell, neither Ironbound or Orc's Wars were discriminative with who entered. True that they aren't GTM tourneys per se and it could be better if they have a place on the side.
Quote from: TheOrcCorp on October 07, 2017, 01:42:36 PMFirstly to Ceph: I don't see where Hoppin suggested tourneys for select/certain people. As far as I can tell, neither Ironbound or Orc's Wars were discriminative with who entered. True that they aren't GTM tourneys per se and it could be better if they have a place on the side.If it's a tournament on GTM, and it's not open to *all* GTM users but only certain circles...I mean I had no chance to enter either so
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We've been playing with Parsec, a screen-sharing client that Badnik linked in the thread. Long story short, initial results seem to indicate that it works. I don't want to jump the gun and say it's flawless in every way without more testing, but today I played S_M across the atlantic US-UK and was very competitive with maybe a few hundred ping and the occasional lag spike that lasted a second or so. If you know how awful hamachi was, this will blow your mind how good it seems so far.In a US-US match I imagine the lag will be low enough to have actual competitive matches. We need to test it a bit more but I'm gonna throw this post out there in the mean time.I want to do an tournament that has live players instead of AI controlling the bots. If Parsec continues to deliver, this could work.There are a couple of drawbacks. The way Parsec works is it's basically like a screen-sharing software like teamviewer. Basically one person hosts the match and one or more people connect to the computer. Everyone technically controls the keyboard and mouse at the same time on the host's pc - once he has enabled it. This might scare some people and is pretty trust-based. Technically a player could screw over another by pressing his controls. Thankfully there seems to be little risk of someone actually hijacking someone else's PC since the host has key commands to enable and disable all inputs but his own. I wouldn't bother enabling inputs until the match has started, then disable them once the match ends if I was the host.There also is a bit of a trust issue in that the host would have to have all competing robots on his PC and could theoretically tamper with them. There's not really a way around this except for just trusting the host. Then again, AI tournaments are pretty much the same thing.That said, I am willing to give it a shot. I want to test it with some US players first to see how bad the latency is, but I really want to do a tournament with this. It could open up a huge assortment of building techniques etc once human drivers are common like I posted in the thread.----------Basically what I am thinking, subject to change with feedback:8 bots, 1v1, bo3, double elimination. Let's start small & basic.Ironforge MW/HW. Standard rules, no RA2CF, BFE, etc. Just for the competitive angle.Octagon Arena. One of the benefits of human driving is that we aren't stupid and can dodge hazards. I'm going to take advantage of it.US entrants only. Sorry to the others. Let's keep the lag to a minimum, at least for now.I will host. Right now I'm located in Arkansas, which actually is a pretty good spot with how central it is in the US- should help latency ideally. Everyone would send their robots to me, and I would of course check to make sure they're legal. Since both parties need to have controls that could be played on the same keyboard, I would make 2 copies of the robots with one controlled with WASD and one with arrow keys (and maybe one with numpad if people want it). I'd tell each player which control scheme he got before the match.2 people would join my stream and start the 1v1 while I record the matches. Not everyone necessarily has to do their matches at the same time, a single round taking place over a few days may be the best we can do. We'll have to play it by ear. If one person begins to take an unacceptably long time to join a match, they will forfeit a round.If I find people screwing with others controls during a match, they will forfeit a round. Once is an accident. Twice gets a forfeit.Once I got all the bots I would make the standard splashes and brackets and such. Preferably in a PM people would tell me what days & times they would be free along with their timezone. Any major things I missed? Suggestions are welcome. I'm pumped.
So are these tournaments being attempted in one go? I would assume that for longer or more important events it would a better idea to hold the matches within a timing window (one week, ten days, ect.), in order to make sure people don't have to choose between RA2 or life.
Quote from: Dreamcast on January 18, 2018, 05:58:46 PMSo are these tournaments being attempted in one go? I would assume that for longer or more important events it would a better idea to hold the matches within a timing window (one week, ten days, ect.), in order to make sure people don't have to choose between RA2 or life.No no- we were able to hold ours in one day because of the amount of people. If you've got a larger tournement then yes, you can have matches whenever it is specified (as long as it fits in with the current tournement rules I assume).
i agree with that, we should be able to arrange fights when it's feasible for usthat being said, we can usually bang out gmod tournaments on a saturday afternoon so theres no reason why we couldnt on ra2
One problem with online tournaments is the fact that, if someone outside the fight presses a key, it's untraceable.Then limit the number of people who can physically press keysTry up-voting Mouldy's suggestion as much as you canoofNot to mention that people won't have freedom of choice when it comes to controls. If two guys, let's even say in the finals, have the exact same control set-up, one of them has to bite the bullet and use something they're not used to. If that person ends up losing, how can we tell if it was because of that or not?Most robots are versatile with controls. If I'm wrong and it's just my robots that can have multiple schemes, then my controls can be changed by the organizer before others.
Most robots are versatile with controls. If I'm wrong and it's just my robots that can have multiple schemes, then my controls can be changed by the organizer before others.
Actually, I was under the impression you couldn't be selective when it comes to picking those that can press keys, but I think it was Jason being lazy. Even so, the point stands that, if one guy ****s up, he could blame it on his opponent pressing his buttons or the host rigging it.
I don't really get this