Author Topic: BBEANS4 Info (Read 8819 times)

Clickbeetle · « **on:** May 18, 2008, 07:52:25 PM »

Note: BBEANS4 isn't officially starting yet. This thread is just for information since there's some confusion about it.

That means no entries are being accepted right now.

But here's the scoop:

Weight class: MIDDLEWEIGHT (<399.0 kgs)

Mods: DSL

I intend for registration to open soon after the 2.1 patch is released, so naturally the DSL 2.1 patch will be allowed.

Special rules: DSL Realistic Rule. You're probably all familiar with this now, but a quick recap: No part can intersect another part that couldn't have a slot cut in it in real life. Example: Spinner blade passing through armor plate or chassis=OK. Spinner blade passing through wheel or battery=Not OK. There is a small margin of tolerance, though. If a spinner blade just nicks a motor or something, that's OK. Basically this rule is just intended to stop burst-enhanced overlapping spinners and their ilk like you see in stock RA2. For reference, all of the DSL stock AI would be legal in BBEANS.

Arena: Official BBEANS Tournament Arena (TBA)

The making of the arena is delayed due to computer trouble, but it's almost done (the arena, not sure about the computer). It's an 11x11 meter square (a little bigger than the RA2 T2 arena's short dimension) with low boundary walls you can flip bots over to eliminate them.

But here's the cool part. In the center of the arena is a horizontal spinning blade surrounded by walls. The only way to get hit by the blade is to be flipped over the walls into it. The idea behind this hazard is to prevent box-rushing. In an open arena, all AI fights always begin with a giant box-rush--I thought it would make for more interesting fights if the bots are forced to maneuver around at the beginning.

And after 1 minute 30 seconds of fighting, the walls around the blade retract into the floor, adding a new twist halfway through the fight (assuming no one has been flipped into the blade, which also lowers the walls). So for the first half of the match, it's just the bots. No unlucky hazard hits to worry about except for being flipped. But for the second half, once the bots are all beat up and the match might start losing momentum, the blade comes in to finish things. My hope here is for the event to have no boring fights. Any fight that lasts more than 90 seconds with no action should still be interesting and still possibly end with a KO :grin:

I'll post screenshots here once the aforementioned computer trouble is over with.

Sorrow · « **Reply #1 on:** May 18, 2008, 07:58:13 PM »

Excellent!
Is going to have the BBEANS 2 rules (Double elimination, 2/3 only in the semis and finals)?

pyscolone · « **Reply #2 on:** May 18, 2008, 08:00:05 PM »

"It's an 11x11 meter square (a little bigger than the RA2 T2 arena's short dimension) with low boundary walls you can flip bots over to eliminate them."

same exact arena I was going to use for urmmmmh... something none of you need to know..

Clickbeetle · « **Reply #3 on:** May 18, 2008, 08:04:35 PM »

Quote from: Sorrow;8216

Excellent!
Is going to have the BBEANS 2 rules (Double elimination, 2/3 only in the semis and finals)?

Double elmination, 2/3 for all fights. The only thing I'm still deciding is whether to do 2 minute or 3 minute fights (if 2 minute, the blade walls will lower after 1 minute).

70 CUDA · « **Reply #4 on:** May 18, 2008, 08:17:36 PM »

sounds great man. cant wait to start building

Madiaba · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2008, 08:40:16 PM »

CB, arena sounds nice. Can't wait to see it.
I like the realistic rule.

Pys, mods can happen (still).

kill343gs · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2008, 08:44:03 PM »

I may just give this a shot despite being absolutely awful at DSL. I'm actually better at AIing than i am at DSL.

Naryar · « **Reply #7 on:** May 18, 2008, 09:06:53 PM »

DSL MW ? Not my favourite, but I'll participate... im not too bad in MWs either...

Venko · « **Reply #8 on:** May 19, 2008, 05:33:05 AM »

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
Its just not fair... I finally made a damn good bots that kick all starcore 3 asses in most weights(and ALLOWABLE in tournaments this time) and now what... ? a damn DSL :cry::cry::cry:
I hate DSL... I hear that BBEANS 4 will be stock HW but now i just will go to cry somewhere :cry::cry::cry:
Why dont you try two tournaments simultaneously? Stock and DSL?
What you say about this idea clickbeetle?

Naryar · « **Reply #9 on:** May 19, 2008, 05:58:49 AM »

I told you this Venko. And cry somewhere else that on the forum. And go DSL, damnit!

ACAMS · « **Reply #10 on:** May 19, 2008, 08:41:35 AM »

I thought it was supposed to be stock HW anyway.

kill343gs · « **Reply #11 on:** May 19, 2008, 02:15:45 PM »

I was expecting (and would have preffered) stock heavyweight as well.

Sorrow · « **Reply #12 on:** May 19, 2008, 02:32:15 PM »

According to the pattern, that'll be BBEANS 5.

kill343gs · « **Reply #13 on:** May 19, 2008, 02:55:21 PM »

I realize that, but rumor had it around the end of 3 that this one would be stock HW, which is what I've had in the back of my head for a while.

Naryar · « **Reply #14 on:** May 19, 2008, 02:57:14 PM »

Ha ok. Venko you could enter the 5, if you're still there...

I guess I'll fair better in BBEANS 5.

Clickbeetle, have you already set when you'l open the registrations and the deadline for them?

R0B0SH4RK · « **Reply #15 on:** May 19, 2008, 03:03:27 PM »

I thought stock HW was always just a rumor anyways. DSL MW could be fun, and the arena setup sounds interesting too, though it does put rammers at a rather large disadvantage. Can't wait to enter my first BBEANS :D

70 CUDA · « **Reply #16 on:** May 19, 2008, 10:07:35 PM »

Can we write our own .py for the AI or do we have to use stock ones?

Clickbeetle · « **Reply #17 on:** May 23, 2008, 08:45:48 PM »

Quote from: 70 CUDA;8266

Can we write our own .py for the AI or do we have to use stock ones?

Any type of AI is allowed, custom or stock, as long as it doesn't do anything a human can't do (for example, hurl bots around with psychic power or deal invisible damage).

But anyway, the BBEANS Tournament Arena is finished now, and also available for download. Here are some screenshots:

General overview of the arena.

The walls are low enough to be flipped over, but high enough that it won't likely happen accidentally.

For the first half of the match, the only way the blade is going to be a threat is if you get flipped into it. But after 1:30...

...the walls retract into the floor, exposing the blade. (I edited the timer to take this screenshot.)

The blade is dangerous enough so you don't want to drive into it, but it's no more powerful than any weapon you can put on a heavyweight. It won't launch you out of the arena like the blade in the DSL Spinner Arena.

It's even possible to stop it if you try really hard. So it's not a one-hit-you're-dead thing--but it certainly adds some excitement to that usually dull second half of the match.

I've uploaded the arena to my website. You can try it out here. I've also made the Electric Arena 2 available--it's been a BBEANS prize exclusive long enough.

Madiaba · « **Reply #18 on:** May 23, 2008, 10:09:19 PM »

CB,
1. I like the arena. Was this your work, FB's, or a co-effort. Good job to whomever.
2. Will BBEANS 4 still be MW, DSL? (I've no preference...but some do above.)
3. Any estimate for a Tourney date?

Cooker · « **Reply #19 on:** May 24, 2008, 05:44:08 AM »

Thanks CB. The arena is perfect!
I would like this would apply to my bots.
I still struggle building a decent DSL MW. It allways comes out either mega lame, or much to heavy.