Robot Arena Matches => Tournaments => Tournament Archives => Topic started by: Clickbeetle on May 18, 2008, 07:52:25 PM
Title: BBEANS4 Info
Post by: Clickbeetle on May 18, 2008, 07:52:25 PM
Note: BBEANS4 isn't officially starting yet. This thread is just for information since there's some confusion about it.
That means no entries are being accepted right now.
But here's the scoop:
Weight class: MIDDLEWEIGHT (<399.0 kgs)
Mods: DSL
I intend for registration to open soon after the 2.1 patch is released, so naturally the DSL 2.1 patch will be allowed.
Special rules: DSL Realistic Rule. You're probably all familiar with this now, but a quick recap: No part can intersect another part that couldn't have a slot cut in it in real life. Example: Spinner blade passing through armor plate or chassis=OK. Spinner blade passing through wheel or battery=Not OK. There is a small margin of tolerance, though. If a spinner blade just nicks a motor or something, that's OK. Basically this rule is just intended to stop burst-enhanced overlapping spinners and their ilk like you see in stock RA2. For reference, all of the DSL stock AI would be legal in BBEANS.
Arena: Official BBEANS Tournament Arena (TBA)
The making of the arena is delayed due to computer trouble, but it's almost done (the arena, not sure about the computer). It's an 11x11 meter square (a little bigger than the RA2 T2 arena's short dimension) with low boundary walls you can flip bots over to eliminate them.
But here's the cool part. In the center of the arena is a horizontal spinning blade surrounded by walls. The only way to get hit by the blade is to be flipped over the walls into it. The idea behind this hazard is to prevent box-rushing. In an open arena, all AI fights always begin with a giant box-rush--I thought it would make for more interesting fights if the bots are forced to maneuver around at the beginning.
And after 1 minute 30 seconds of fighting, the walls around the blade retract into the floor, adding a new twist halfway through the fight (assuming no one has been flipped into the blade, which also lowers the walls). So for the first half of the match, it's just the bots. No unlucky hazard hits to worry about except for being flipped. But for the second half, once the bots are all beat up and the match might start losing momentum, the blade comes in to finish things. My hope here is for the event to have no boring fights. Any fight that lasts more than 90 seconds with no action should still be interesting and still possibly end with a KO :grin:
I'll post screenshots here once the aforementioned computer trouble is over with.
Title: BBEANS4 Info
Post by: Sorrow on May 18, 2008, 07:58:13 PM
Excellent! Is going to have the BBEANS 2 rules (Double elimination, 2/3 only in the semis and finals)?
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Post by: pyscolone on May 18, 2008, 08:00:05 PM
"It's an 11x11 meter square (a little bigger than the RA2 T2 arena's short dimension) with low boundary walls you can flip bots over to eliminate them."
same exact arena I was going to use for urmmmmh... something none of you need to know..
Title: BBEANS4 Info
Post by: Clickbeetle on May 18, 2008, 08:04:35 PM
Quote from: Sorrow;8216
Excellent! Is going to have the BBEANS 2 rules (Double elimination, 2/3 only in the semis and finals)?
Double elmination, 2/3 for all fights. The only thing I'm still deciding is whether to do 2 minute or 3 minute fights (if 2 minute, the blade walls will lower after 1 minute).
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Post by: 70 CUDA on May 18, 2008, 08:17:36 PM
sounds great man. cant wait to start building
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Post by: Madiaba on May 18, 2008, 08:40:16 PM
CB, arena sounds nice. Can't wait to see it. I like the realistic rule.
Pys, mods can happen (still).
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Post by: kill343gs on May 18, 2008, 08:44:03 PM
I may just give this a shot despite being absolutely awful at DSL. I'm actually better at AIing than i am at DSL.
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Post by: Naryar on May 18, 2008, 09:06:53 PM
DSL MW ? Not my favourite, but I'll participate... im not too bad in MWs either...
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Post by: Venko on May 19, 2008, 05:33:05 AM
:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry: Its just not fair... I finally made a damn good bots that kick all starcore 3 asses in most weights(and ALLOWABLE in tournaments this time) and now what... ? a damn DSL :cry::cry::cry: I hate DSL... I hear that BBEANS 4 will be stock HW but now i just will go to cry somewhere :cry::cry::cry: Why dont you try two tournaments simultaneously? Stock and DSL? What you say about this idea clickbeetle?
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Post by: Naryar on May 19, 2008, 05:58:49 AM
I told you this Venko. And cry somewhere else that on the forum. And go DSL, damnit!
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Post by: ACAMS on May 19, 2008, 08:41:35 AM
I thought it was supposed to be stock HW anyway.
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Post by: kill343gs on May 19, 2008, 02:15:45 PM
I was expecting (and would have preffered) stock heavyweight as well.
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Post by: Sorrow on May 19, 2008, 02:32:15 PM
According to the pattern, that'll be BBEANS 5.
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Post by: kill343gs on May 19, 2008, 02:55:21 PM
I realize that, but rumor had it around the end of 3 that this one would be stock HW, which is what I've had in the back of my head for a while.
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Post by: Naryar on May 19, 2008, 02:57:14 PM
Ha ok. Venko you could enter the 5, if you're still there...
I guess I'll fair better in BBEANS 5.
Clickbeetle, have you already set when you'l open the registrations and the deadline for them?
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Post by: R0B0SH4RK on May 19, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
I thought stock HW was always just a rumor anyways. DSL MW could be fun, and the arena setup sounds interesting too, though it does put rammers at a rather large disadvantage. Can't wait to enter my first BBEANS :D
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Post by: 70 CUDA on May 19, 2008, 10:07:35 PM
Can we write our own .py for the AI or do we have to use stock ones?
Title: BBEANS4 Info
Post by: Clickbeetle on May 23, 2008, 08:45:48 PM
Quote from: 70 CUDA;8266
Can we write our own .py for the AI or do we have to use stock ones?
Any type of AI is allowed, custom or stock, as long as it doesn't do anything a human can't do (for example, hurl bots around with psychic power or deal invisible damage).
But anyway, the BBEANS Tournament Arena is finished now, and also available for download. Here are some screenshots:
(http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/images/bbeansarena1.jpg) General overview of the arena.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/72244bbeansarena2.jpg) The walls are low enough to be flipped over, but high enough that it won't likely happen accidentally.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/8872bbeansarena3.jpg) For the first half of the match, the only way the blade is going to be a threat is if you get flipped into it. But after 1:30...
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/84096bbeansarena4.jpg) ...the walls retract into the floor, exposing the blade. (I edited the timer to take this screenshot.)
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/51957bbeansarena5.jpg) The blade is dangerous enough so you don't want to drive into it, but it's no more powerful than any weapon you can put on a heavyweight. It won't launch you out of the arena like the blade in the DSL Spinner Arena.
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/48624bbeansarena6.jpg) It's even possible to stop it if you try really hard. So it's not a one-hit-you're-dead thing--but it certainly adds some excitement to that usually dull second half of the match.
I've uploaded the arena to my website. You can try it out here (http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/robotarena.htm). I've also made the Electric Arena 2 available--it's been a BBEANS prize exclusive long enough.
Title: BBEANS4 Info
Post by: Madiaba on May 23, 2008, 10:09:19 PM
CB, 1. I like the arena. Was this your work, FB's, or a co-effort. Good job to whomever. 2. Will BBEANS 4 still be MW, DSL? (I've no preference...but some do above.) 3. Any estimate for a Tourney date?
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Post by: Cooker on May 24, 2008, 05:44:08 AM
Thanks CB. The arena is perfect! I would like this would apply to my bots. I still struggle building a decent DSL MW. It allways comes out either mega lame, or much to heavy. :(
Title: BBEANS4 Info
Post by: Clickbeetle on May 27, 2008, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: madiaba;8539
CB, 1. I like the arena. Was this your work, FB's, or a co-effort. Good job to whomever. 2. Will BBEANS 4 still be MW, DSL? (I've no preference...but some do above.) 3. Any estimate for a Tourney date?
1. It was designed, built, and skinned by me. I used some of FB's lexan textures, though.
2. Still MW DSL.
3. After the 2.1 patch is released.
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Post by: Sage on May 27, 2008, 07:10:02 PM
will you do the AIing again? or follow the new trend of the self-AIed bots?
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Post by: Meganerdbomb on May 27, 2008, 07:13:32 PM
I was going to make a witty comment about Venko's ridiculous amount of smileys, but i couldn't think of anything..... I'm quite pleased with the fact that it's DSL middleweight. I just hope entries will be open before August 20th, cause if not, I don't think I'll be able to enter.
Title: BBEANS4 Info
Post by: Clickbeetle on May 27, 2008, 07:29:08 PM
Quote from: The RA2 Wizard;8629
will you do the AIing again? or follow the new trend of the self-AIed bots?
Self-AI'd bots? As in bots that AI themselves? Or bots that are AI'd by the builders? I don't know that the former exists, but if you mean the latter, then the answer is self AIing is welcome but not required.
Meganerdbomb: DSL 2.1 has been slow, but if beta testing ends up taking THAT long, I'll just run a DSL 2.0 event.
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Post by: R0B0SH4RK on May 27, 2008, 10:07:33 PM
On the RA2 forums, it was becoming either required to AI your own bots, or don't complain about the AI'ing job someone else did, in order to cut down on the hordes of "U suk u cant ai worth crap u r teh reason i lost noob" comments, so how to AI is pretty general knowledge now, and personally, I prefer it. It does it's job well.
And, I'm already starting to play with possible designs :D
BBEANS, BBEANS, the magical fruit...
Title: BBEANS4 Info
Post by: Sage on May 27, 2008, 10:11:59 PM
the more you eat, the more you... ummm... enjoy it?
love the new skin for the forums.
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Post by: Naryar on May 28, 2008, 02:34:10 AM
I did try a real FBS, not a shell spinner, with servo drive and spinning chassis, but its crap. Do you guys think it could be decent if really good built ?
Title: BBEANS4 Info
Post by: Cooker on May 28, 2008, 03:23:25 AM
You'r right, servo drive is crap.
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Post by: andrewm0304 on May 28, 2008, 05:55:22 PM
Looking forward to this, since it will be my first BBEANS contest to enter. I'm not sure how good my bot will be since I haven't played in awhile and don't have much experience with DSL. Glad to see the new forum layout though. :)
Hmmm... just noticed I joined much earlier on this forum than the Atari one.... O_o
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Post by: Sorrow on May 28, 2008, 06:09:32 PM
Quote from: Naryar;8661
I did try a real FBS, not a shell spinner, with servo drive and spinning chassis, but its crap. Do you guys think it could be decent if really good built ?
Clickbeetle made a good one in Stock. Look up Thunder Cloud in the Bot Exchange.
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Post by: Naryar on May 28, 2008, 06:58:08 PM
Heh. Thanks. Ill try other things than wheels.
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Post by: ianh05 on May 30, 2008, 01:08:04 AM
any idea on how many entries there will be? i might enter however im no good at dsl and havent been playing RA2 at all lately (except yesterday for a little bit when i threw together a dsl mw).
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Post by: R0B0SH4RK on May 30, 2008, 01:56:53 AM
Nice to see you back after pretty much vanishing in the ARBBC. I guess we can safely assume it's dead, or will you revive it?
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Post by: Naryar on May 30, 2008, 02:16:58 AM
IDK how many, but Ill go for 25-30, as the previous BBEANS.
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Post by: ianh05 on May 30, 2008, 02:40:35 AM
thanks its still possible that i might revive it. does it matter if it has sound and not music? cause i would prefer to run the tourney from my computer.
EDIT: ignore the last part, its off topic.
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Post by: Gigafrost on June 02, 2008, 08:10:51 AM
I don't know if this was asked earlier but would custom made zones be allowed?
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Post by: Clickbeetle on June 07, 2008, 08:20:01 PM
Custom smart zones are allowed as long as they're not used for any non-smartzone purpose (like the smart zone ballasts in FB's part pack).
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Post by: Ice the frosty cat on June 08, 2008, 11:34:45 AM
Quote from: Clickbeetle;8535
I've also made the Electric Arena 2 available--it's been a BBEANS prize exclusive long enough.
Odd, I've had the Electric Arena 2 for a while now :?
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Post by: RA2lover on June 08, 2008, 12:14:52 PM
me too. i have NOT entered in ANY BBEANS.
i stolen it in novemver '07, while it was not avaiable in downloads section. i just looked /files folder in the site(PATCHED NOW) and downloaded it. i old it via PM to FireBeetle(CBs PM box was full) and then it got patched.
PROOF in this post, posted in november 17 2007
Quote from: RA2lover;6713
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Battle Pic
(https://gametechmods.com/forums/../uploads/images/9127Winning%20Shot%202.JPG) PS:Where i got the electric arena 2??? i got it on bettlebros site, it was not open to the public, but i found it at http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/files/ea2.zip
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Quote from: madiaba;9112
You might also check which arena(s) you are using? The Compressor and Ocean Platform arenas each have a glitch, that is fixed in the 2.1 patch....
While mad posted it, i GOT IT TOO!!!!111
I uploaded it IN ANOTHER HOST. but only to keep it as a backup. maybe i may upload it to Downloads version as DSL V2.1 beta when its released. AGAIN, "FOR NOSTALGIA ONLY"
DO NOT SEND ME PMS BEGGING FOR ME TO GIVE THE LINK
May i build designs from now using DSL v2.1 parts?
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Post by: GameKing3 on June 08, 2008, 02:02:48 PM
And i assume that you would have to AI your own robot.
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Post by: Somebody on June 16, 2008, 03:27:38 PM
I can't wait for BBEANS 4, it will be my first. Two questions: 1. How long do we have to register (I didn't find the website until after BBEANS 3 ended)
2. When is DSL 2.1 coming out, because I am waiting to download DSL so I can get the pack that is fixed. I am still playing stock :x, so once I download it, I will need time to build a good MW before the tourney
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Post by: Cooker on June 17, 2008, 04:35:43 AM
If you download the actual version now, you will have time to get used to it. It might be easier to build a good bot in 2.1, when you have got some trainig on the old version first. DSL 2.1 will not be that much different from 2.0.
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Post by: Somebody on June 17, 2008, 06:14:40 PM
I'm not sure that I want to deal with all of the bugs, now that I know how much better DSL 2.1 is than DSL 2.0. Wait, can you download 2.0 on top of 2.1?? And I have played Stock for a while, so I am pretty good at bot building. I built something along the lines of a walker in Stock, But it is mostly discs with extenders on trhem, and the armor plates on the ends. There are 4 of them, and they are on redbirds, with a Z-Tek, a tribar, and 3 razor tips for a weapon. It is called Caterpillar 4 (The first 3 had different kinds of walking systems that didn't work. I can't post a pic because I don't know how to get it out of my game and post it here.
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Post by: Cooker on June 18, 2008, 01:04:45 AM
My DSL 2.0 doesn't have any bugs. I don't think you can load 2.1 on top of a former version. Make some copies of the game and name them differently. So you can have several versions availible. I have fife of them. (original, Starcore 2, Starcore 3, DSL 2.0 and one spare for the future DSL 2.1 :biggrin:)
This should be actually in the tech support, but anyway. There are many ways to post a pic out of the game. There is a built in function for this, but I never use it (I'm not sure, if it is the F10 key). However it is in the tutorial file, that comes with the game. I use Paint, because I usually don't like post the whole screenshots. Press the "print screen" key - go to Paint - press "control and V" (will past the pic into Paint)- cut out the part of the screenshot you want to post - safe it in any folder you want, or on the desktop - go to the GTM image uploader (here, on the home page) or to any other external uploader (I use Imageshack) - upload the file - copy paste the link you get from there, in the text of your post - done. Impotant: If you do it the first time, use the preview in the "go advanced", just to check, if your pics appear correctly, before you press the replay button.
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Post by: Somebody on June 18, 2008, 03:29:25 PM
Thanks about the screenshots Cooker. Is it DSL 1 or 2 where the Ocean Arena is messed up? Good Idea about the multiple games, I might get my own showcawse soon, I'm not sure. All my bots are stock, and they fight against stock bots. I will see if the screenshot thing works first. Where is that Paint thing you mentioned. Is it on GTM, or somewhere else?
Something else, was BBEANS2 a DSL tourney?:?:?:?
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Post by: Cooker on June 18, 2008, 04:08:33 PM
Paint is a part of Windows, you will find it in Start - All Programmes - Accessories. All about BBEANS you find in: http://beetlebros.gametechmods.com/bbeans/hof.htm I don't have the Ocean Arena.
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Post by: Somebody on June 18, 2008, 05:18:55 PM
But in the thread meantioning DSL 2.1 (Here is the link: https://gametechmods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527 (https://gametechmods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527)) Clickbeetle mentions that he fixes the Ocean Platform and Compressor arena events(Thats what I meant when I said "fix the Ocean Arena", sorry). I found paint, thanks, I will probably start a showcase soon.
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Post by: Somebody on June 18, 2008, 07:28:29 PM
Cooker: 2 things
1. Where is that tutorial you mentioned (I only run stock, so if it is in some other pack, tell me)
2. I tried the F buttons for the screenshot thing. Nothing happened besides on one of them (eithr F11 or F12) A green grid formed around my robot (I was in the bot lab) does it only work in battles?
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Post by: Cooker on June 18, 2008, 10:13:20 PM
Sorry, I was misstaken, the tutorial that comes with the game, doesn't mention this. Go insted to the RA2 Wiki. Use the following link and you will find what you need about midpage. There is another link "Screenshot". Click on it for more info. https://gametechmods.com/RA2wiki/index.php?title=Quick_tips_for_beginners
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Post by: Somebody on June 19, 2008, 06:38:54 AM
When you press F11, is anything supposed to happen? Also, I can't find the folder it mentions.:ermm::ermm::ermm:
P.S. If you are playing stock like I am, press F12 during a fight. There will be a grid on everything, along with you getting to see the smartzones of hazards and other robots
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Post by: Trovaner on June 19, 2008, 01:23:38 PM
F11 takes a screenshot (it doesn't make a noise or change the screen when you press it) that is found in a folder called "ScreenShots" (the folder is made inside of your RA2 directory after you take a picture).
The F9, F10, and F12 features are from the 1.3 patch.
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Post by: Somebody on June 19, 2008, 02:33:33 PM
Oh ya, I forgot that I had 1.3
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Post by: Somebody on June 19, 2008, 02:54:14 PM
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!! I found the file. I am going to start a showcase soon.
Thanks Cooker and Trovaner, you helped alot.
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Post by: Somebody on June 19, 2008, 04:49:13 PM
My showcase is up, check it out
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Post by: TorrFac on July 02, 2008, 04:16:01 PM
oh no again DSL... cuz i even don't have any DSL pack and i don't know what is there... i build good stock bots only and i will open my showcase soon...
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Post by: Somebody on July 06, 2008, 08:20:06 PM
I just downloaded DSL, so I will try to make a bot for the tourney. Where do I send the bot and how long do I have
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Post by: MetalikVyper on August 01, 2008, 04:59:21 AM
click beetle, i sent you an e-mail with my bot entry why am i not in the competition?
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Post by: Somebody on August 02, 2008, 12:28:54 PM
You probably sent it too late, and by that I mean that there were already 32 entries.