ITT why Goon should be banned

[cephalopod]

Earlier on I did propose a system involving appeals after timeframes and stuff that we are talking about, I think it'll work well.
(N.B. don't critique this message as OMG BAD IDEA because you don't know the whole proposal and you'll look dumb)

[Badger]

Earlier on I did propose a system involving appeals after timeframes and stuff that we are talking about, I think it'll work well.
(N.B. don't critique this message as OMG BAD IDEA because you don't know the whole proposal and you'll look dumb)

Maybe it would be a good idea to share said proposal with us?

[cephalopod]

It's a staff discussion matter, no reason to share until it's sorted.

[yugitom]

Earlier on I did propose a system involving appeals after timeframes and stuff that we are talking about, I think it'll work well.
(N.B. don't critique this message as OMG BAD IDEA because you don't know the whole proposal and you'll look dumb)

The only problem I have with this is, it ensures any and all members that, whatever they do, they'll have a chance at an appeal. Surely, that diminishes the point of permanently banning them in the first place, as they are  complacent in knowing that they can come back. How would appeals work? Would they be allowed to appeal after making another account? If so, will they be allowed to post in the time period of appeal?

I just think the way we look at perma-banning should change. It shouldn't be something you can recover from. I believe appeals or negotiations would work better if they simply reduced the amount of time they were banned for. For example, you could give someone a year long ban and, given they do not harass anyone outside of the forum or create multi-accounts, they'd be allowed to negotiate a new amount of time they should be banned for, after a while. Appealing a permanent ban seems like a weird concept to me because the appellant hasn't been on the forum for us to witness change, so why would our attitude change towards them other than "everyone deserves a second chance"?

[cephalopod]

The only problem I have with this is, it ensures any and all members that, whatever they do, they'll have a chance at an appeal. Surely, that diminishes the point of permanently banning them in the first place, as they are  complacent in knowing that they can come back. How would appeals work? Would they be allowed to appeal after making another account? If so, will they be allowed to post in the time period of appeal?

I just think the way we look at perma-banning should change. It shouldn't be something you can recover from. I believe appeals or negotiations would work better if they simply reduced the amount of time they were banned for. For example, you could give someone a year long ban and, given they do not harass anyone outside of the forum or create multi-accounts, they'd be allowed to negotiate a new amount of time they should be banned for, after a while. Appealing a permanent ban seems like a weird concept to me because the appellant hasn't been on the forum for us to witness change, so why would our attitude change towards them other than "everyone deserves a second chance"?

(N.B. don't critique this message as OMG BAD IDEA because you don't know the whole proposal and you'll look dumb)

[Serge]

lol, robot game forum drama

Mind sharing some background on who the fuck is Goon and why was he banned in the first place?

[Reier]

lol, robot game forum drama

Mind sharing some background on who the fuck is Goon and why was he banned in the first place?

he was this guy called hurricaneandrew who was a troll and couldnt keep his mouth shut and got permabanned, came back as this goon person, and for some reason isn't banned again

[Serge]

he was this guy called hurricaneandrew who was a troll and couldnt keep his mouth shut

I'm not sure “trolling” should be a bannable offence... Low-quality posting, yeah, sure, but don't make the decision based on whether it aligns with your worldview or not. What he posted in this thread seems quite sane to me.

[cephalopod]

Maybe people deserve a second chance at this frankly exciting time for our community!

Or we could just all stick to our guns and believe no-one can ever change even when they've been told the moment they slip they'll be banned again but WHATEVER hey guys yay!

I thought the community was better than attacking people like this. If people say they're going to behave and provisions have been put in place to make sure that happens, why should they be excluded from this time in our community? Things are going to be awesome and I think it's a damn shame if people won't get over grudges to come together for a moment I'm sure most of us in the community never saw coming.

[RTC]

Earlier on I did propose a system involving appeals after timeframes and stuff that we are talking about, I think it'll work well.
(N.B. don't critique this message as OMG BAD IDEA because you don't know the whole proposal and you'll look dumb)

The only problem I have with this is, it ensures any and all members that, whatever they do, they'll have a chance at an appeal. Surely, that diminishes the point of permanently banning them in the first place, as they are  complacent in knowing that they can come back. How would appeals work? Would they be allowed to appeal after making another account? If so, will they be allowed to post in the time period of appeal?

I just think the way we look at perma-banning should change. It shouldn't be something you can recover from. I believe appeals or negotiations would work better if they simply reduced the amount of time they were banned for. For example, you could give someone a year long ban and, given they do not harass anyone outside of the forum or create multi-accounts, they'd be allowed to negotiate a new amount of time they should be banned for, after a while. Appealing a permanent ban seems like a weird concept to me because the appellant hasn't been on the forum for us to witness change, so why would our attitude change towards them other than "everyone deserves a second chance"?

As I said earlier, depending on the severity and the amount of offences, the minimum time would be extended. That way, we can separate the trolls and the people who genuinely want to improve.

Also Craaig, he did post from a reasonable and well-meaning perspective based upon what you revealed. No need to insinuate that he's dumb.

[cephalopod]

Also Craaig, he did post from a reasonable and well-meaning perspective based upon what you revealed. No need to insinuate that he's dumb.

What I meant by what I originally said was criticizing what I revealed is an exercise in pointlessness because it's clearly intentionally not the full story. No point asking questions etc when I'm clearly not telling the entire plan anyway because they're all already answered.

[RTC]

Also Craaig, he did post from a reasonable and well-meaning perspective based upon what you revealed. No need to insinuate that he's dumb.

What I meant by what I originally said was criticizing what I revealed is an exercise in pointlessness because it's clearly intentionally not the full story. No point asking questions etc when I'm clearly not telling the entire plan anyway because they're all already answered.

You can't use the "You don't know the full story" excuse to deflect criticism if you have the ability to share the full story. I mean, I understand why you don't want to share it immediately since it's a staff matter that needs to be discussed in private, but at the same time, you can't use that as a defence to say it can't be criticized in a logical manner based on what we already know.

Bear in mind, I think what you've hinted at in your initial post is a very good idea, I just think there are better ways to respond to critique, especially when it's measured and not inflammatory like Yugi's response.

[cephalopod]

No I can use it and I don't need to share because it's not something that needs to be shared until all the mods agree on it.
I'm genuinely trying to make a solution for EVERYONE here and improve future situations that may arise meanwhile you lot are making it absolutely BLOOPing infuriating and I'm sick of trying so I'm done.

[RTC]

No I can use it and I don't need to share because it's not something that needs to be shared until all the mods agree on it.
I'm genuinely trying to make a solution for EVERYONE here and improve future situations that may arise meanwhile you lot are making it absolutely BLOOPing infuriating and I'm sick of trying so I'm done.

OK, so it's not something that needs to be shared until the mods agree on it. That's fine, but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be critiqued in a mature way, which is what we are doing; no-one is saying it's a terrible idea for no reason or attacking you for it, so it's unnecessary to play the victim, especially as you voluntarily let this slip in the first place.

[Meganerdbomb]

Earlier on I did propose a system involving appeals after timeframes and stuff that we are talking about, I think it'll work well.
(N.B. don't critique this message as OMG BAD IDEA because you don't know the whole proposal and you'll look dumb)

You mean me? I was seriously saying we shouldn't be hasty to criticize your actions till the new rules come out.

[Goon]

No I can use it and I don't need to share because it's not something that needs to be shared until all the mods agree on it.
I'm genuinely trying to make a solution for EVERYONE here and improve future situations that may arise meanwhile you lot are making it absolutely BLOOPing infuriating and I'm sick of trying so I'm done.

OK, so it's not something that needs to be shared until the mods agree on it. That's fine, but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be critiqued in a mature way, which is what we are doing;

No. Let the big kids with red and blue names discuss it. You people need to stay out of it.

[Goon]

So I think you guys should know that Craaig got sick of the lack of logic you guys use on any matter and jumped ship. This was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Craaig - Tuesday 7:48 PM
> changed my password to a 10 digit random string and my email to dogs@lol.com and logged out

Craaig - Tuesday 7:48 PM
> done
(Thumb up emoji)

Craaig has left the group

The fact I make people mad with nothing more than my presence is fairly amusing to me. Like, I hadn't even planned on trolling and y'all just trolled yourselves just because I admitted it was me.

Do whatever you want. Tear the community apart just as there's hope of robot combat becoming mainstream again simply because you don't like people who don't fit into your clique to be here. This shall forever be your little safe space.

[Meganerdbomb]

Just so we're clear, I'm actually trying to be supportive of the staff in this situation. If they have they're reasons, we need to stop complaining. But ifGoon's post is true, that's actually pretty childish, and ultimately pointless, cuz Trov can probably reset the PW.

[Mr. AS]

As for I, I am willing to give him a chance. If he blows it up, however, I'll be the first to get him out of those forums.

Discussion really should have ended here if avalanche and jamin are anything to go by.

I'm kind of surprised that this tongue-in-cheek thread turned into what it did. We need to focus less on forum identity politics and more on games, techs, 'n mods.

[yugitom]

I'm issuing an apology to Craaig and any staff members that have felt any pressure or undue stress due to my posts. I know it's not my place to impose opinion but what I believed was debating using my opinion clearly got out of hand. Unless Craaig views this as a guest, I doubt he will see it but I will be sure to contact him on Steam at some point today in order to make sure that I get my apology across to him because I feel bad that I may have caused this.