ITT why Goon should be banned

[cephalopod]

He made the account, left it dormant for a while, and then told us before posting.

[Squirrel_Monkey]

He made the account, left it dormant for a while, and then told us before posting.

Alright seems fair. How did everyone else find out? I'm not in the loop.

[Naryar]

I can vouch for Craaig. Andrew said to Craaig "hey, i'm goon" basically, and Craaig reported it to the rest of the staff. There was some disagreements over keeping him or not in the staff, but we decided to let it slide, as long as he didn't cause any trouble.

And there still ARE disagreements in the staff, now that opinion is generally negative about keeping him.

As for myself, I stick to my position : keep him, unless he causes some trouble again. If he does, ban him. And a permaban this time, so that he doesn't make other accounts and we don't restart that again.

We are unsure about the specifics of banning him, if it is zero tolerance or "one written warning, then immediate ban if he continues". We are discussing about that.

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And yes, Craaig, people are being prejudiced because Andrew HAS been frequently berating, flaming, insulting people previously. As for his current behavior, he HAS improved, yes, but nothing tells me he's not going to burst out and flame again later, as he is prone to do when he is frustrated IRL.

[yugitom]

We were informed of Goon's identity prior to any posts being made. Imagine what it would've been like if he came back on the prior account. Nobody cared about Goon being around until they learned of who he is, seems a little prejudiced imo.

Of course it is, it's because people now know his identity. If a new member joins, people don't judge them until they start doing stuff. In this case, people know what he has done before, so they have a right to form that opinion.

I love how, with ~10 posts, people are saying that he's gotten better. He's just quiet at the moment. It's not like, when he was using his HA account, he was 'trolling' 24/7.

I suppose I'd be okay with seeing how he does and if he's actually better (with a zero tolerance attitude) but I'm wondering why he was perma-banned in the first place if people are so quick to let him come back. Like I said, it undermines being perma-banned in the first place.

[Naryar]

I have seen some pretty edgy posting in the chatbox coming from him. Now i'm leaning towards an immediate ban, discussing it with the staff.

[Goon]

good to know literally nothing has changed with you andy. i figured you'd have given up and moved onto some other website to troll by now

Please show me how I've trolled since my return.

Protip: You can't.

I made less than 10 posts and then you guys attacked me when you realized who I was and I gave it right back. I never instigated any of it.

It's not like I really tried to hide my identity. In fact, I tried to make it blatantly obvious. I even have messages from Craaig and Thyrus discussing the matter before any of you even had a clue.

[Badnik96]

I just believed GTM could get past old feelings if the member shows improvement, which Goon has. It's everyone else that hasn't changed.

yes because making a thread asking if someone is autistic is definitely showing improvement

[Joelu Of Eagleland]

I just believed GTM could get past old feelings if the member shows improvement, which Goon has. It's everyone else that hasn't changed.

yes because making a thread asking if someone is autistic is definitely showing improvement

When'd he do this? On the HA account? On the Goon account?

[yugitom]

I just believed GTM could get past old feelings if the member shows improvement, which Goon has. It's everyone else that hasn't changed.

yes because making a thread asking if someone is autistic is definitely showing improvement

When'd he do this? On the HA account? On the Goon account?

It was yesterday and about you; https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=18959.msg700913#msg700913

[Joelu Of Eagleland]

I just believed GTM could get past old feelings if the member shows improvement, which Goon has. It's everyone else that hasn't changed.

yes because making a thread asking if someone is autistic is definitely showing improvement

When'd he do this? On the HA account? On the Goon account?

It was yesterday and about you; https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=18959.msg700913#msg700913

That was him asking if I was autistic? Looked more like it was referring to my profile image to me...
I have Asperger Syndrome, so he's not even wrong about me being autistic anyway.

[The Red Blur]

I just believed GTM could get past old feelings if the member shows improvement, which Goon has. It's everyone else that hasn't changed.

yes because making a thread asking if someone is autistic is definitely showing improvement

When'd he do this? On the HA account? On the Goon account?

It was yesterday and about you; https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=18959.msg700913#msg700913

That was him asking if I was autistic? Looked more like it was referring to my profile image to me...
I have Asperger Syndrome, so he's not even wrong about me being autistic anyway.

He was putting money on you being "on the spectrum". By this, he is referring to the autistic spectrum. I mean, I could sit here and say "everyone's got autistic tendencies, so, technically everyone is on the spectrum", but I don't think anyone would care

[Reier]

why is this even being discussed? He's forfeited his right to come on gtm, like s_m said the account is irrelevant. what is the point of permabanning someone if they can come back on whenever?

[Meganerdbomb]

We should ban HX, RFS, and TDS while we're at it, since they were banned from Aceuplink and/or the RA2 forums.

[Badger]

Whatever you guys decide, you have to apply it for all users,  evenly and fairly. That means if you say that once you're permabanned,  you're really permabanned, then the above accounts should be permabanned too. Personally, I think permabans aren't necessary. A year ban mac would suffice in almost every situation. As for HA/goon, if hes gonna be allowed on this account you may as well unban his main so at least we all know who he is.

That's just my 2cents

Edit:
For the record, I think HA should be let off in this case due to precedent (lra2 and sparkey) and rules should be drafted and set in stone for bans and multiaccounting, and ADHERED TO

[Meganerdbomb]

Whatever you guys decide, you have to apply it for all users,  evenly and fairly. That means if you say that once you're permabanned,  you're really permabanned, then the above accounts should be permabanned too. Personally, I think permabans aren't necessary. A year ban mac would suffice in almost every situation. As for HA/goon, if hes gonna be allowed on this account you may as well unban his main so at least we all know who he is.

That's just my 2cents

make this guy a mod

[Sage]

bans don't have to carry over from previous forums, but bans made on this particular forum ought to be upheld.

[NeighImACarrot]

bans don't have to carry over from previous forums, but bans made on this particular forum ought to be upheld.

But that would lead to the loss of outstanding members of the community such as avalanche

[09090901]

Both lra2 and sparkey were allowed back after perm bans so I don't see why not. yeah sparkey ended up getting banned again but avalanche didn't turn out that bad.

as long as HA posts his racial hatred threads in the chatterbox and doesn't spam the main forum i really don't see the problem.

[Meganerdbomb]

bans don't have to carry over from previous forums, but bans made on this particular forum ought to be upheld.

But that would lead to the loss of outstanding members of the community such as avalanche

"outstanding"

[Goon]

I just believed GTM could get past old feelings if the member shows improvement, which Goon has. It's everyone else that hasn't changed.

yes because making a thread asking if someone is autistic is definitely showing improvement

It's no secret that the vast majority of GTM members are on the spectrum. Maybe you should be warned for bringing up stuff from the off topic section in the main forum , since you're so worried about upholding the rules.