PA actually only pitted every robot in 3. Even then, he gave the robot a fair match, not just a grab and pit.
Actually, I was more annoyed by what it did with Disc-O-Inferno and Gravity- both times we could've had far better competitors qualifying, but no.Define better. Surely if TAN beat them, it is better than them, no?And granted Panic Attack did use similar tactics in several of its battles, by no means was the pit the only way it could defeat opponents- it used other methods as well (IE. Toe Cutter, Spawn of Scutter, Rammstein), rather than simply being a design that's more or less useless without arena hazards.It pitted Rammstein who would have won if its batteries hadn't died, Toecutter was totally hopeless and could have been beaten by anything, and Spawn of Scutter wouldn't have lost without the arena - if the walls were any other height that move wouldn't have worked.
Quote from: GoldenFox93 on August 16, 2011, 10:04:02 AMActually, I was more annoyed by what it did with Disc-O-Inferno and Gravity- both times we could've had far better competitors qualifying, but no.Define better. Surely if TAN beat them, it is better than them, no?And granted Panic Attack did use similar tactics in several of its battles, by no means was the pit the only way it could defeat opponents- it used other methods as well (IE. Toe Cutter, Spawn of Scutter, Rammstein), rather than simply being a design that's more or less useless without arena hazards.It pitted Rammstein who would have won if its batteries hadn't died, Toecutter was totally hopeless and could have been beaten by anything, and Spawn of Scutter wouldn't have lost without the arena - if the walls were any other height that move wouldn't have worked.
a) For starters, actual effective weaponry. What were TAN's weapons then? Pretend weapons? And you can't deny TAN's weapons were effective, even if you disagree with its battle philosophyWe've seen previously what those two are capable of, and right at the start, DI looked good in the First Round Melee, the way it tore into BOD. I think if it had gotten through, I reckon it could at least have gotten to the Heat Finals. We've also seen previously how unreliable DI is. I reckon it could have at least lasted another few minutes before breaking down.And in my eyes, Gravity would've been a far better Dutch Representative in the Third World Championship, being what could be considered the first of Europe's generation of monster flippers. You answer my question asking how it would be better by saying it would be better. Explain, don't repeat. Anyway, in my opinion, it would have been a worse representative for the Dutch - it would have found Rawbot as easy as TAN did, but it wouldn't have had a hope in against Storm 2, unlike TAN who did have a chance. so for the Dutch, TAN was a better representative.Would've been far more exciting to watch at least Opinion. Some prefer a war of atrittion like against bulldog Breed to a 6-second walkover against Dantomkiarather than the tongs that ultimately used cheap tactics and the pit to get to its undeserved spots. Again, 'cheap' is your opinion, and whether or not you consider its tactics cheap, you cannot call the victory undeserved - TAN won fair and square. Also, Gravity used the low walls, a feature of the arena as much as the pit, to win its battles. If the fight was in the enclosed, pitless Battlebots arena, TAN would win pretty much every time. b) Yes, but it utilised tactics that took advantage of Rammstein's battery power, before actually finishing it off using the pit. Do you really think that PA knew of the low battery power? I watched the battle, it just pitted Rammstein as soon as it got under it properly and the pit had openedOn the other hand, Toecutter and Spawn of Scutter were demonstrations of how it utilised driving skills and no pit to win. Panic Attack's main tactic was unquestionably still to pit the opponent
Quote from: That Robot is a Spy! on August 16, 2011, 08:07:17 AMPA actually only pitted every robot in 3. Even then, he gave the robot a fair match, not just a grab and pit.If I was a competitor, I wouldn't want to give my opponents a 'fair match' - I'd want to do anything to ensure my own victory. There is no chivalrous obligation in Combat Robotics.
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Quote from: GoldenFox93 on August 16, 2011, 10:25:54 AMa) For starters, actual effective weaponry. What were TAN's weapons then? Pretend weapons? And you can't deny TAN's weapons were effective, even if you disagree with its battle philosophy (What they called "Horizontal Crushers", which weren't crushers at all. They were more clamps really, which did no damage whatsoever- a bit like gently gripping onto an egg to hold it, but not break it. All they did was just hold on and do no damage)We've seen previously what those two are capable of, and right at the start, DI looked good in the First Round Melee, the way it tore into BOD. I think if it had gotten through, I reckon it could at least have gotten to the Heat Finals. We've also seen previously how unreliable DI is. I reckon it could have at least lasted another few minutes before breaking down. (Not necessarily- in some cases, it lasted alright- in the opening Melee of Series 6, it lasted throughout, and took out both Behemoth and Tridentate. In Series 7 however, it looked on good form as well, and had CAC not pitted it, I think it would've qualified- you can't really tell reliability from a few seconds of screen time in a new series. I might've looked at it a bit more fairly if CAC had legitimately immobilised it, but no. That would be too difficult for a pair of tongs with no effective weapons)And in my eyes, Gravity would've been a far better Dutch Representative in the Third World Championship, being what could be considered the first of Europe's generation of monster flippers. You answer my question asking how it would be better by saying it would be better. Explain, don't repeat. Anyway, in my opinion, it would have been a worse representative for the Dutch - it would have found Rawbot as easy as TAN did, but it wouldn't have had a hope in against Storm 2, unlike TAN who did have a chance. so for the Dutch, TAN was a better representative. (In terms of reliability perhaps, but in terms of excitement to watch, Gravity beats it easily, with its performance of throwing rather than pushing. Yet with so many international competitors, I don't see why they just set it out like the previous 2 World Championships, and made it a much larger tournament- that way, both of them could've entered, instead of one of them)Would've been far more exciting to watch at least Opinion. Some prefer a war of atrittion like against bulldog Breed to a 6-second walkover against Dantomkia (And what about all these walkovers where it just used the pit to win in the first few seconds? It just turned what could have been good fights into predictable, scaled-up games of UFO grabbers)rather than the tongs that ultimately used cheap tactics and the pit to get to its undeserved spots. Again, 'cheap' is your opinion, and whether or not you consider its tactics cheap, you cannot call the victory undeserved - TAN won fair and square. Also, Gravity used the low walls, a feature of the arena as much as the pit, to win its battles. If the fight was in the enclosed, pitless Battlebots arena, TAN would win pretty much every time. (Not necessarily. Many times in BB, it was proven that flippers could be successful. For one example, look at Spitfire- that took out Vlad the Impaler 2, an invertable machine, with no need for a pit or arena fences) b) Yes, but it utilised tactics that took advantage of Rammstein's battery power, before actually finishing it off using the pit. Do you really think that PA knew of the low battery power? I watched the battle, it just pitted Rammstein as soon as it got under it properly and the pit had opened (The pit only opened once Rammstein had been properly immobilised)On the other hand, Toecutter and Spawn of Scutter were demonstrations of how it utilised driving skills and no pit to win. Panic Attack's main tactic was unquestionably still to pit the opponent (You keep telling yourself that- like I say, it didn't use it EVERY time it fought, proving versatility even in situations without the pit. Without it, CAC wouldn't have gotten past the heats, let alone gotten into the Semis)Why do you consider the tactics cheap anyway? Because they don't give the opponent a chance? Because there's little entertainment value? Because the battles typically ended moderately quickly?
a) For starters, actual effective weaponry. What were TAN's weapons then? Pretend weapons? And you can't deny TAN's weapons were effective, even if you disagree with its battle philosophy (What they called "Horizontal Crushers", which weren't crushers at all. They were more clamps really, which did no damage whatsoever- a bit like gently gripping onto an egg to hold it, but not break it. All they did was just hold on and do no damage)We've seen previously what those two are capable of, and right at the start, DI looked good in the First Round Melee, the way it tore into BOD. I think if it had gotten through, I reckon it could at least have gotten to the Heat Finals. We've also seen previously how unreliable DI is. I reckon it could have at least lasted another few minutes before breaking down. (Not necessarily- in some cases, it lasted alright- in the opening Melee of Series 6, it lasted throughout, and took out both Behemoth and Tridentate. In Series 7 however, it looked on good form as well, and had CAC not pitted it, I think it would've qualified- you can't really tell reliability from a few seconds of screen time in a new series. I might've looked at it a bit more fairly if CAC had legitimately immobilised it, but no. That would be too difficult for a pair of tongs with no effective weapons)And in my eyes, Gravity would've been a far better Dutch Representative in the Third World Championship, being what could be considered the first of Europe's generation of monster flippers. You answer my question asking how it would be better by saying it would be better. Explain, don't repeat. Anyway, in my opinion, it would have been a worse representative for the Dutch - it would have found Rawbot as easy as TAN did, but it wouldn't have had a hope in against Storm 2, unlike TAN who did have a chance. so for the Dutch, TAN was a better representative. (In terms of reliability perhaps, but in terms of excitement to watch, Gravity beats it easily, with its performance of throwing rather than pushing. Yet with so many international competitors, I don't see why they just set it out like the previous 2 World Championships, and made it a much larger tournament- that way, both of them could've entered, instead of one of them)Would've been far more exciting to watch at least Opinion. Some prefer a war of atrittion like against bulldog Breed to a 6-second walkover against Dantomkia (And what about all these walkovers where it just used the pit to win in the first few seconds? It just turned what could have been good fights into predictable, scaled-up games of UFO grabbers)rather than the tongs that ultimately used cheap tactics and the pit to get to its undeserved spots. Again, 'cheap' is your opinion, and whether or not you consider its tactics cheap, you cannot call the victory undeserved - TAN won fair and square. Also, Gravity used the low walls, a feature of the arena as much as the pit, to win its battles. If the fight was in the enclosed, pitless Battlebots arena, TAN would win pretty much every time. (Not necessarily. Many times in BB, it was proven that flippers could be successful. For one example, look at Spitfire- that took out Vlad the Impaler 2, an invertable machine, with no need for a pit or arena fences) b) Yes, but it utilised tactics that took advantage of Rammstein's battery power, before actually finishing it off using the pit. Do you really think that PA knew of the low battery power? I watched the battle, it just pitted Rammstein as soon as it got under it properly and the pit had opened (The pit only opened once Rammstein had been properly immobilised)On the other hand, Toecutter and Spawn of Scutter were demonstrations of how it utilised driving skills and no pit to win. Panic Attack's main tactic was unquestionably still to pit the opponent (You keep telling yourself that- like I say, it didn't use it EVERY time it fought, proving versatility even in situations without the pit. Without it, CAC wouldn't have gotten past the heats, let alone gotten into the Semis)
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