Author Topic: The DSL Super Efficient Designs of The Ounce (Read 107256 times)

Clickbeetle · « **Reply #240 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:05:20 PM »

I don't know why you don't like Explosive Materials, but that bot looks good. I like how you used the back skirt hinge to attach both the front and back skirts.

The Ounce · « **Reply #241 on:** October 01, 2009, 10:35:10 PM »

I never said I don't like Explosive Material; I like the design, but I think it could have been executed a little better :P

Naryar · « **Reply #242 on:** October 02, 2009, 01:21:46 AM »

Lies, my wedge and battery setup are better than yours.

Though i do agree it needs a rebuild : turnspeed is too low.

The Ounce · « **Reply #243 on:** October 16, 2009, 05:42:58 PM »

Well, the snow leopard has a toothache right now, but that doesn't stop me from building. Haven't been building much in DSL lately except rebuilding the bots that I have in Nar AI 1.1.:

The rebuild of Hornet Drone, now known as V.M. Worker, weapons are only slightly better, but it makes a difference.

2 ants, 1mm titanium.

The Ounce · « **Reply #244 on:** November 05, 2009, 05:02:37 PM »

Not surprised that no one has any comments.

Not much to say here, just implemented Nary's R.I.P. entry's design into a HW (I'm sorry):

NPCFs
3 ants
5mm titanium
26 large beater bars, 30 razors, 2 light DS teeth.

Would have used a 30x80 DSL bar for the top armor, but it was intersecting the MEs holding the top 2 weapon racks.

While I'm at it, I might as well post some battleshots.............. in the form of a very messy splash:

Urjak, the snow leopard wants his revenge :evil:

123savethewhales · « **Reply #245 on:** November 05, 2009, 05:13:02 PM »

Looks Good. How does it fair against VS?

The Ounce · « **Reply #246 on:** November 05, 2009, 05:15:06 PM »

Haven't really tested it against VS; all I know is that it can't beat Pyrotechnic Display.

Urjak · « **Reply #247 on:** November 05, 2009, 05:19:45 PM »

Quote from: The Ounce;77260

Urjak, the snow leopard wants his revenge :evil:

The spider will get his own revenge soon enough......:evil:

Pwnator · « **Reply #248 on:** November 05, 2009, 07:25:09 PM »

Whoa. You beat TWEWY. I was never able to KO that bot while not using a gut-ripper. :O

You know, you can attach the 30x80 DSL bar by BFE'ing the top MEs outside and attach the bar in the lab and BFE the MEs back in. It's allowed as long as the attachments stay realistic. :D

The Ounce · « **Reply #249 on:** November 05, 2009, 07:27:28 PM »

Too bad I don't know how to BFE

Urjak · « **Reply #250 on:** November 05, 2009, 07:54:59 PM »

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Too bad I don't know how to BFE

Its comments like these that makes me more and more think that BFE should be illegal. It should especially be illegal to shrink the chassis height below what is achievable in the botlab. This gives people who know BFE a distinct advantage.

I belive that BFE should be openly taught to everyone on the forums, or it should be considered unrealistic as far as DSL goes at least.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #251 on:** November 05, 2009, 08:34:33 PM »

in a perfect world we could be I can see people abusing it, there is a lot in there that can be done I guess teaching chassis height wouldn't be a bad thing (really easy too)

123savethewhales · « **Reply #252 on:** November 05, 2009, 08:46:39 PM »

I think things that can only be build outside the game is clearly hacking and should just be banned. This includes shrinking chassis/bypassing collision box/etc.

The problem is, there are so many "broken hacks" are easier to do than changing chassis size. This includes turning non weapon parts into weapons, connect things directly to chassis, connect without connection points, etc.

Pwnator · « **Reply #253 on:** November 05, 2009, 08:50:45 PM »

Problem is, not all collision boxes are perfect. A clear example would be the 6-Mag. It has spaces in the middle which could be used for motors or batteries. But its annoying mesh would not allow that. I personally use BFE only when the collision mesh is unnecessarily bulky but the attachment is still realistic. But this is just my opinion, though. If you don't want to BFE, then don't. :D

123savethewhales · « **Reply #254 on:** November 05, 2009, 09:00:37 PM »

Quote from: Pwnator;77324

Problem is, not all collision boxes are perfect. A clear example would be the 6-Mag. It has spaces in the middle which could be used for motors or batteries. But its annoying mesh would not allow that. I personally use BFE only when the collision mesh is unnecessarily bulky but the attachment is still realistic. But this is just my opinion, though. If you don't want to BFE, then don't. :D

Well, as long as other people are using it, there are no reason for me not to. I am simply advocating a ban for things like tournament and such, because it give an unfair advantage to those that uses it.

Urjak · « **Reply #255 on:** November 05, 2009, 10:28:00 PM »

Quote from: 123savethewhales;77326

Well, as long as other people are using it, there are no reason for me not to. I am simply advocating a ban for things like tournament and such, because it give an unfair advantage to those that uses it.

^ Exactly what I was trying to say. I agree with 123STW on that. ^

Naryar · « **Reply #256 on:** November 06, 2009, 05:32:07 AM »

That's the second BB ripoff, shows that the design is awesome XD

However, i think you should ditch these forward spinner panels and replace them with more weapons.

Also there are better choices than DSL bars for armor... but if it's for cool looks then it's fine.

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And BFE... i dont really matter if it could be done IRL, like the 6-mag as Pwn said.

I disagree with the openly taught part though.

Somebody · « **Reply #257 on:** November 06, 2009, 04:08:53 PM »

GAAH
SnSnSnSnS has been defeated?!?!
And in the Combat Zone too for that matter.

The Ounce · « **Reply #258 on:** November 15, 2009, 06:35:03 PM »

On the topic of BFE, I would agree with Pwn that it's okay as long as it's realistic, like his example with the 6-Mag, but then again there are other problems with the magmotors that I find really annoying.

As for shortening chassis height, I don't really see anything practical from it; sure it saves you weight, but I get nasty pickles from a bot with wide ant wheels and a minimum height chassis that takes up 4 1/2 units on the blueprint grid :P

On topic of this thread:

The third incarnation of Bullet Ant.

Made it a few hours ago in a little less than an hour but didn't test it that much, though I don't know if it needs that much testing, because it can consistently do this:

398.4 kgs, 1mm tite, 6 razors, and yes, that match was AIed.

Rematch, Pwn?

Reier · « **Reply #259 on:** November 15, 2009, 08:40:29 PM »

RIPOFF! :P
But looks good.