Author Topic: The DSL Super Efficient Designs of The Ounce (Read 107274 times)

Reier · « **Reply #400 on:** February 10, 2010, 06:45:40 PM »

That works fine for me last time I checked....

Pwnator · « **Reply #401 on:** February 11, 2010, 04:22:45 AM »

I <3 them.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #402 on:** February 11, 2010, 09:09:24 AM »

Quote from: 123savethewhales on February 10, 2010, 05:00:57 PM

I think it's 50 hammers and it's silly collision mesh. Combine that with the fact that it can't pass through the chassis.

exactly what I said

Quote from: Jack Daniels on February 10, 2010, 04:52:00 PM

Probably old news... but the multi-extender has borked attachment points. One side the attachment point is flush with the surface of the extender...

yeah we talked about that before but Ounce said he used the better one

The Ounce · « **Reply #403 on:** February 13, 2010, 03:48:07 PM »

Quote from: 123savethewhales on February 10, 2010, 05:00:57 PM

I think it's 50 hammers and it's silly collision mesh. Combine that with the fact that it can't pass through the chassis.

That's what I was thinking at first, but then why does it look to me like the hammer's collision mesh is not interfering with the chassis?:

Weird, anyway:

BW popup. 1mm titanium, everything else is visible.

Doesn't perform as well as I thought. For one, the BBEANS popup.py does not tell a bot to fire its weapons only when a chassis enters the smartzone. Second, I had obviously sacrificed weapons and armor for speed. These two problems cause it to lose against most rammers, SnS and HS, which make up the majority of BWs in NAR AI.

I will most likely switch back to wide ant wheels, which I had used on a previous version, to add more weapons and armor unless someone has some other suggestions.
Infiniteinertia is a bag of dildos. He's an extremely good builder, but still a bag of dildos.

Somebody · « **Reply #404 on:** February 13, 2010, 04:57:14 PM »

On the subject of funky collision meshes, has anyone else noticed that the hypno teeth collision is actually just a small box?

G.K. · « **Reply #405 on:** February 13, 2010, 04:58:26 PM »

Don't even get me started on the BSG.

LiNcK · « **Reply #406 on:** February 13, 2010, 04:59:48 PM »

Well, I prefer using less damaging, stronger weapons when i only have a few...
A popup with 15 Razors is ok.. But id prefer a popup with 2 Iron Spikes and not one with 2 razors :P

Reier · « **Reply #407 on:** February 13, 2010, 05:09:57 PM »

That's the coolest BW popup I've seen.

Doomkiller · « **Reply #408 on:** February 13, 2010, 06:20:32 PM »

^QFT^

Pwnator · « **Reply #409 on:** February 13, 2010, 07:55:19 PM »

Kewl. Since it's a BW, you might want to try a version with small DS spikes. :D

Naryar · « **Reply #410 on:** February 14, 2010, 01:52:36 PM »

Underweight by 20 amps !

The Ounce · « **Reply #411 on:** February 14, 2010, 02:40:42 PM »

What do you mean? Isn't 4 ants barely enough to power this?

Naryar · « **Reply #412 on:** February 15, 2010, 05:13:05 AM »

...

*Didn't saw the 2 other ants *

It looks good then.

The Ounce · « **Reply #413 on:** February 16, 2010, 04:24:55 AM »

I was bored, so I made my own version of Smashbox 2:

NPCFs, 2 PC545s, 8 ants, 5mm titanium, bottom armor: 2 halfsheets and 2 40cm AL skirts.

It doesn't have the best wedges all of the time, but is still very agile and can sometimes throw its opponents OOTA even though they outwedge it at first.
Infiniteinertia is a bag of dildos. He's an extremely good builder, but still a bag of dildos.

Naryar · « **Reply #414 on:** February 16, 2010, 05:15:58 AM »

Maybe a little too fast ? That's not a rammer...

2WD Etek/Techno drive = fast enough IMO

Clickbeetle · « **Reply #415 on:** February 17, 2010, 10:06:35 PM »

Quote from: The Ounce on February 13, 2010, 03:48:07 PM

For one, the BBEANS popup.py does not tell a bot to fire its weapons only when a chassis enters the smartzone.

It should! If it doesn't, you might have an outdated version or the NoChassisTime might be set too low. The BBEANS AI comes with the newest version of Popup.py.

As for the hammer collision, it's because for some reason the game ignores concave surfaces on collision mesh. If there's a concavity in an object, it just gets filled in with invisible collision. That's why you can't put stuff in between the motors on the 6-Mag gearbox. Unless you change the simulation geometry, which it looks like I will have to do for DSL3.

The Ounce · « **Reply #416 on:** February 17, 2010, 10:24:37 PM »

Well, is '3' a too small value for the 'NoChassisTime' variable?

And the last time my Popup.py was modified was September 2nd last year, if that is outdated.

Clickbeetle · « **Reply #417 on:** February 17, 2010, 10:58:25 PM »

If it has the NoChassisTime feature, then it should be current and work.

NCT value of '3' means if a bot is in the smart zone but not the chassis, the AI will wait 3 seconds and then start firing. If you want the AI to ONLY fire if the chassis is in the zone, make the NoChassisTime 99 or something. '5' is a good long time, but not too long.

Alternatively it might be a smartzone placement issue. Even with Popup.py, if your smartzone is too far forward, the AI will fire its weapons early.

The Ounce · « **Reply #418 on:** February 20, 2010, 03:21:02 PM »

I'm surprised I'm still building, anyway, Civil Offense IV:

Replaced those stupid wedges with balance bars, replaced the Hypnos with Technos to make it faster, and added more armor (though the back is kinda exposed now).

With those changes, it can now actually beat wedges, and more:

and yes, it is stable.

R0B0SH4RK · « **Reply #419 on:** February 20, 2010, 03:32:00 PM »

Very nice. Great use of those hex plates.