Robot Arena 3

[The Red Blur]

hey how about we talk about ra3

agreed. It's not like we have much longer to wait.

[HX_]

I'm surprised the makers of RA3 even want to have anything to do with this forum.

When creating a game for what has always been (at least in the past) a niche genre, you take the fans you already have.

[Vincent]

One thing that does worry me through is the unity file format, I can imagine that being an issue if you have to un and repack everything instead of simply opening up a .py file in notepad and doing some adjustments to test.

Why is that a problem and not with any other game formats?  You're kinda making an absurd excuse for something that really sound like it's the only thing that you can do.  Python isn't viable language for game development anymore, that was over 10 years ago.  It's just not a popular nor ideal choice for game development these days for many technological reasons.

why are standalone games no longer a thing and everything must be released by steam now ? why can't we open games by .exes anymore ?

Because 1998 was 18 years ago.   Time to get on with the program, bud.  Yeah I know...  90's is long over and dead.  I miss those times, but hey... 20's is coming up. Let's embrace more good times and not waste time dwelling on the past, eh?

Really, it seems like its only chosen strictly by people who want to make max profit now that unreal, crytec, ect. are all more or less free.  The only other reason I can imagine is "hey we didnt want to restrict the game to only people that bought a pc in the last 5 years"
you can do fun stuff in just about any engine, unitys physics always gave me problems in the little that ive messed around with it though.

That's a very narrow perspective view on how game development business work just because you had bad experience with few indie games.

Gaben is a fat greedy bastard and DRM is ruining games. Don't even get me started with always online bs.

Fat people are as all-american as you can get. Did you spend all your time away on Tumblr or something?

*Sigh* And here I sit, reading these little quip comments that doesn't provide any form of an actual complaint to non-deliberate issues that millions of players use in the last 12 years of service.  Rationalizing his opinion being backed by common simpleton in a form of inflated double-standard behavior, resorting to slandering in befitting simpler informal derogatory terms that has nothing to do with any of the trending topics. Instead of getting enticement into morose stance that begs me to face-palm to tender my cold sober dejected groaning misery pain.  I'm just gonna ignore the troll. Hope everyone else will do the same. :)

[Meganerdbomb]

Well, there's still the perfectly legit complaint about DRM. I like being able to actually own my games, ty.
Also, who are you?

[R01]

Well, there's still the perfectly legit complaint about DRM. I like being able to actually own my games, ty.
Also, who are you?

Yeah, I do find it sad how this was talked down as if it was just some pointless discussion and how some verteran members just find it bad/even do statements like "why would the creators want to have anything to do with this forum". Nowadays it's like "oh you mention DRM, shut up you're wrong".

One thing that does worry me through is the unity file format, I can imagine that being an issue if you have to un and repack everything instead of simply opening up a .py file in notepad and doing some adjustments to test.

Why is that a problem and not with any other game formats?  You're kinda making an absurd excuse for something that really sound like it's the only thing that you can do.  Python isn't viable language for game development anymore, that was over 10 years ago.  It's just not a popular nor ideal choice for game development these days for many technological reasons.

why are standalone games no longer a thing and everything must be released by steam now ? why can't we open games by .exes anymore ?

Because 1998 was 18 years ago.   Time to get on with the program, bud.  Yeah I know...  90's is long over and dead.  I miss those times, but hey... 20's is coming up. Let's embrace more good times and not waste time dwelling on the past, eh?

Really, it seems like its only chosen strictly by people who want to make max profit now that unreal, crytec, ect. are all more or less free.  The only other reason I can imagine is "hey we didnt want to restrict the game to only people that bought a pc in the last 5 years"
you can do fun stuff in just about any engine, unitys physics always gave me problems in the little that ive messed around with it though.

That's a very narrow perspective view on how game development business work just because you had bad experience with few indie games.

Gaben is a fat greedy bastard and DRM is ruining games. Don't even get me started with always online bs.

Fat people are as all-american as you can get. Did you spend all your time away on Tumblr or something?

*Sigh* And here I sit, reading these little quip comments that doesn't provide any form of an actual complaint to non-deliberate issues that millions of players use in the last 12 years of service.  Rationalizing his opinion being backed by common simpleton in a form of inflated double-standard behavior, resorting to slandering in befitting simpler informal derogatory terms that has nothing to do with any of the trending topics. Instead of getting enticement into morose stance that begs me to face-palm to tender my cold sober dejected groaning misery pain.  I'm just gonna ignore the troll. Hope everyone else will do the same. :)

Oh yeah Python's bad and we must all now use mainstream stuff, just like with Steam. Let me guess coding games from scratch no longer is a thing either. Right it's just the indie games that are doing bad stuff, not like mainstream game developers start releasing alpha games as finished product.

You want actual complaints: https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=17690.msg700451#msg700451

[Mr. AS]

Fat people are as all-american as you can get. Did you spend all your time away on Tumblr or something?

*Sigh* And here I sit, reading these little quip comments that doesn't provide any form of an actual complaint to non-deliberate issues that millions of players use in the last 12 years of service.  Rationalizing his opinion being backed by common simpleton in a form of inflated double-standard behavior, resorting to slandering in befitting simpler informal derogatory terms that has nothing to do with any of the trending topics. Instead of getting enticement into morose stance that begs me to face-palm to tender my cold sober dejected groaning misery pain.  I'm just gonna ignore the troll. Hope everyone else will do the same. :)

He's totally right tho. Us Americans are consistently on top when it comes to the obesity market. You can't go through a single town without driving by some mcdonald's or burger king or wendy's or whatever.

[cephalopod]

Seriously, calm down people.

Everyone has differing opinions on everything, yeah, wonderful, can we not have arguments, accusations and off topic in here please.

The game is being released as the devs feel fit and that's an end to it. We can't suddenly make them not release on Steam or (worse still) just change the engine.

This thread is not giving a good impression to new users and our new developery overlords.

[Badger]

R01, what core issue do you have with Unity? I just dont get why you think its not suitable for this game.

MNB, what issue do you have with Steam's DRM? I get that its against your principles to buy something and not have legal ownership of it, but functionally its identical to having the game on disc once you've logged into steam.

[Meganerdbomb]

R01, what core issue do you have with Unity? I just dont get why you think its not suitable for this game.

MNB, what issue do you have with Steam's DRM? I get that its against your principles to buy something and not have legal ownership of it, but functionally its identical to having the game on disc once you've logged into steam.

But if Steam ever goes down, you will never be able to play that game, which you payed for, again. With something like GOG, you can keep a copy in a disk and always have it.

[cephalopod]

New RA3 trailer dropped

[Naryar]

An off-topic and flaming warning was given by craaig. And yet people are still posting off-topic...

Warns have been given. We don't mind that you discuss Steam and games and stuff, just don't do it in a thread about RA3.

There are two boards here that you may find useful if you want to continue this discussion:

https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?board=127.0

https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?board=125.0

Now stop with the offtopic, please.

[Vincent]

Oh yeah Python's bad and we must all now use mainstream stuff, just like with Steam. Let me guess coding games from scratch no longer is a thing either. Right it's just the indie games that are doing bad stuff, not like mainstream game developers start releasing alpha games as finished product.
You want actual complaints: https://gametechmods.com/forums/index.php?topic=17690.msg700451#msg700451

Python is a high-level programming started in 1991, 25 years ago, designed to have better readability codes.  But it's not designed for intensive optimization, high performance gaming with library, shaders library, api, driver supports, etc etc... In the last 25 years, game development worked toward more sounded standardized structure that promotes production, division job targets, and flexibility in the workforce between jobs or even companies.  Python is simply not ideal choice of that profession. Unity has Python interceptor, but I can't see how being stubborn, not using proper language for the job really going to justify this game's development growth.  In case you forget, the developers at  need to make money with their brand new company and publisher, good chances they will not be able to employ the time to educate their staff to use Python. Maybe outsource to one person to work on interceptor/compiling convertor.

Your tone has slightly implied that they shouldn't use Steam?  I'm not so sure that this company would actually take marketing advice from a random stranger on a 3rd party forum, whom may or may not have any experience in selling games. I'd give them kudos for using Steam because it would provide better chance to promote their sales on a VERY popular platform. The kind of sales and publicly that RA1 and RA2 never had. However, this really does not limit them from selling it anywhere else. They can, too, sell it on GOG, GMG, Kinguin, Humble Bundle, Impulse, Indie Royale, Desura, or even Kickstarter.  Heck, setup their own digital distribution on their website at the same time.  They simply chosen Steam because of workshop, beta versions control, discussion forum, data-reporting system, and maybe many more that I can't conclude at this moment. Signing up with Steam does not means the end of open modding or anything else for that matter. DRM or not, modding are still possible.  If they wishes to use DRM, that's their choice.

It's pretty damn unfortunate that very few indies and small studios has abused Greenlight, Kickstarter, Indiegogo as quick cash grab and never finish the promised games. However, It's also pretty damn unfortunate that there are much bigger assholes out there, buying up small honest studios, forcing labor work out of them and disbanding them in such a short time whenever teams reached their breaking points with high-stress work-hours.  We already have seen publishers destroying beloved studios and teams, limiting them creativity, innovations, and passions. Which resulted deep and silent hatred toward practicability line of working with any publishers and find themselves "panhandling" in a crowd with their well-done or decent presentation of their game design; on crowdfunding websites. Even if it means having your own publishing company to work with or run by someone personally knew and trusted better.

Welcome to the real world.  Not everything is black and white, nuts and bolts, or Steam and GOG.

EDIT:  Naryar posted while I was writing this post, didn't see it get posted.  I'm pretty much done with it as I've said all the things needed.

New RA3 trailer dropped

Yup, I see some improvement with the game mechanic itself but the graphic is still understandably poor and well within its budget.

[Thyrus]

Just watched it on my phone. Need to watch it on my laptop again. Parking lot is back and the scorpionbot looks great

[Naryar]

Watched the trailer. Appears to be a worthy Stock, v2.

Let's see what we can mod !

[Thyrus]

at 0:39 a the bot that charges at the scorpion seems to be kinda glitching as it flies of screen after touching the other one.
Also it looks a lot like ra1 to me

[Badger]

>asks why r01 thinks unity is a bad choice for RA3
>asks why mnb doesnt like steam as a platform for distributing RA3
>warned for offtopic flaming


So whos gonna buy on launch, whos gonna wait for reviews/gameplay

Edit:
Brief thoughts on the trailer:
The driving looks kinda floaty
They're showing footage where they still have placeholder art in the bot lab. Maybe a sign that theyre pushed for time/rushing?
Looks like it uses the same damage system as RA2, so popups are gonna be a thing again

[RedAce]

So whos gonna buy on launch, whos gonna wait for reviews/gameplay?

If nothing gets in my way, then I'll probably buy the game at launch, but if things do get in the way, then I'll probably wait for reviews and wait for a steam sale.

Judging by the trailer, I'm a little scared as it looks like RA1 with RA2 parts and physics that are kinda rubbing me the wrong way in certain areas.

[Thrackerzod]

So whos gonna buy on launch, whos gonna wait for reviews/gameplay

I'll be waiting for some reviews to come in, personally.

[Naryar]

>asks why r01 thinks unity is a bad choice for RA3
>asks why mnb doesnt like steam as a platform for distributing RA3
>warned for offtopic flaming

You weren't warned for flaming, but for offtopic. When a mod happens into a thread and says "enough offtopic" or something of that sort :

can we not have arguments, accusations and off topic in here please.

you're supposed to stop any flaming or offtopic that happens in the thread. your post just after was offtopic. hence the warning.

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R01, what core issue do you have with Unity? I just dont get why you think its not suitable for this game.

MNB, what issue do you have with Steam's DRM? I get that its against your principles to buy something and not have legal ownership of it, but functionally its identical to having the game on disc once you've logged into steam.

But if Steam ever goes down, you will never be able to play that game, which you payed for, again. With something like GOG, you can keep a copy in a disk and always have it.

wouldn't worry about it. Steam games get cracked all the time. Not sure RA3 will be much of a priority for the scene groups but you can always start Steam in offline mode and play. Unless you mean goes down as a company, which I don't see happening for a long time unless you know something I don't.

hey, MORE offtopic...

[J]

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Oh, and I love how they let have motors/etc sticking out of the bot, and they actually appear that way when you fight with them. It's a small level of realism, but I really like it.