One wheeled bots, should they be banned?

[Urjak]

Because they WOULD be human controlled if RA2 wasn't so damn laggy.

Irrelevant. They ARE AI tournaments. If we ever get human control tournaments then the rules can be set as fit. But right now our tournaments use AI.

[Sage]

Because they WOULD be human controlled if RA2 wasn't so damn laggy.

Irrelevant. They ARE AI tournaments. If we ever get human control tournaments then the rules can be set as fit. But right now our tournaments use AI.

By that argument you can make AI codes where lightning attacks all opponents and kills them instantly. It IS AI, you are right. Could a human controlled bot do it? Not without custom components. But hey, it's not a human tournament, it's an AI tournament! SO obviously anything that gives bots advantages is fair game.

[Urjak]

By that argument you can make AI codes where lightning attacks all opponents and kills them instantly. It IS AI, you are right. Could a human controlled bot do it? Not without custom components. But hey, it's not a human tournament, it's an AI tournament! SO obviously anything that gives bots advantages is fair game.

But you see we don't outlaw the use of lightening because a human driver can't create it. We outlaw it because it defeats the purpose of RA2. In RA2 robots are supposed to fight. That is a principle of the game. That is why dealing damage to your opponent via an AI is disallowed.

We use AI's to drive our bots and allow for robot fighting to take place. Human control is another method of getting robots to fight each other. Both are valid ways, but AI doesn't have to be restrained to only allowing what human drivers can do.

[Sage]

By that argument you can make AI codes where lightning attacks all opponents and kills them instantly. It IS AI, you are right. Could a human controlled bot do it? Not without custom components. But hey, it's not a human tournament, it's an AI tournament! SO obviously anything that gives bots advantages is fair game.

But you see we don't outlaw the use of lightening because a human driver can't create it. We outlaw it because it defeats the purpose of RA2. In RA2 robots are supposed to fight. That is a principle of the game. That is why dealing damage to your opponent via an AI is disallowed.

We use AI's to drive our bots and allow for robot fighting to take place. Human control is another method of getting robots to fight each other. Both are valid ways, but AI doesn't have to be restrained to only allowing what human drivers can do.

Alright. I'll go build a bot that has no wheels which flies around the arena (thanks to AI) that drops down on the top of other robots (this no wheeled robot has a rack of FS on the bottom) for an easy KO. The robots are fighting each other, right? I'm just using AI for advantageous movement.

[Urjak]

Alright. I'll go build a bot that has no wheels which flies around the arena (thanks to AI) that drops down on the top of other robots (this no wheeled robot has a rack of FS on the bottom) for an easy KO. The robots are fighting each other, right? I'm just using AI for advantageous movement.

Once again this has to do with the spirit of robot fighting. Generally we don't want AI's to do for a robot what it can't do with the components attached to it (flying thanks to Trinity glitch would thus be acceptable). In terms of 1-wheel bots, the components can easily do what the AI makes it do, it just requires the proper control pattern a human is likely incapable of doing.

[JoeBlo]

If you can't drive it as good as the AI does yourself, it shouldn't be allowed.

Well thats silly.. what if people can drive better then others..

I actually taught myself how to drive Melty Brain :P

Anyway all we are doing is picking on something that fights well.. im sure we had the debate in the past about popup's too..

Just roll with it, picky rules cause more problems then they fix..

[Urjak]

I actually taught myself how to drive Melty Brain :P

And with that this debate can be closed.

[Sage]

Okay, that makes sense.

Next HW stock tournament I'm entering a melty brain HS.

EDIT: @joe- video please!

[Squirrel_Monkey]

Yeah, you simply power the drive when it is facing forwards and don't when it isn't. I do it all the time to test my 1WD bots. (I'm not that good but no-one can drive melty-brain perfectly in RA2 or IRL)

[kill343gs]

Leave it up to the tournament host, plain and simple. At that point the community's willingness to vote for your tournament becomes the deciding factor, and eventually if enough people want them gone the tournaments that will accept them will become less prevalent and we won't have to fight about it anymore.

Simple economic principle.

[NFX]

I voted for yes, but with the proviso that there aren't any moving parts on the machine besides the wheel. Urjak did provide an example of a 1WD melty brain machine, but everything was static. There was one tooth, one wheel, and that was pretty much it.

[JoeBlo]

I didnt vote as the poll is to vague..

Melty Brain took the spotlight but remember the old 1 wheel spinner HS robots in Stock that just kind spun on the spot and charged forward when the opponent was in front of it..

There is a difference there..

[Sparkey98]

Lets hold a tournament where you use Teamviewer to actually drive the bot. Of course, only trusted members allowed.

[Sage]

Lets hold a tournament where you use Teamviewer to actually drive the bot. Of course, only trusted members allowed.

Sparkey has a cool idea??????

[kill343gs]

Lets hold a tournament where you use Teamviewer to actually drive the bot. Of course, only trusted members allowed.

Sparkey has a cool idea??????

I had thought about that but teamviewer might be laggy

[Somebody]

We would need some failsafes so that the computer that is hosting can immediately unhook. And it would have to be trusted members only, like sparkey said. Along with making sure that multiple people can play at once. Sounds like a good idea. :D

[freeziez]

I picked "yes" but I meant "no".

[kill343gs]

We would need some failsafes so that the computer that is hosting can immediately unhook. And it would have to be trusted members only, like sparkey said. Along with making sure that multiple people can play at once. Sounds like a good idea. :D

i dont think im willing to give anyone on this site access to my computer

[NFX]

I don't have that kind of trust in humans, personally.

[Somebody]

Same here. Maybe someone who doesn't care can be a host, and have all the people hook to their computer to battle on it.