need more stock builders!

[ianh05]

DSL shell spinners all look the same too, so do other DSL bot types and many DSL components aren't used in tournaments etc. I just think IRL and the standard DSL realistic building factor are mostly attracting people who don't want to be bothered learning stock glitches.

Stock seems like it lacks designs because:

1. Click and FB aren't around much at all to showcase new designs.
2. Venko likes keeping his best/most unique bots a secret.
3. No major stock AI pack has been released in years!
4. A lot more innovators have slowed down or ceased posting (such as Sage).

Perhaps we need a gallery of inspiration, where people can post concepts and we could also post innovative designs from the past.

[Merrick]

I'm also going to be put off stock if people keep going on about it so much that I almost feel forced/obliged to start purely for the sake of the forum...

[ianh05]

I'm not trying to force anyone to do anything they don't want to, games are meant to be fun however they can also be challenging and stock has a high learning curve that when you stick to it you feel more accomplished when you create something great.

You guys could make these stock tournaments:

1. Noob wars.
2. IRL stock.
3. Random component list (from a hat) type tournaments.
4. Stock replica wars.

Then you don't need to learn glitches and such (except with #3) and more parts could get used.

[Venko]

DSL shell spinners all look the same too, so do other DSL bot types and many DSL components aren't used in tournaments etc. I just think IRL and the standard DSL realistic building factor are mostly attracting people who don't want to be bothered learning stock glitches.
QFT, some people just can't keep up with the hardness of the glitches.

Stock seems like it lacks designs because:

1. Click and FB aren't around much at all to showcase new designs.
True.
2. Venko likes keeping his best/most unique bots a secret.
My apology for this suxy act.
3. No major stock AI pack has been released in years!
True.
4. A lot more innovators have slowed down or ceased posting (such as Sage).
True.

Perhaps we need a gallery of inspiration, where people can post concepts and we could also post innovative designs from the past.
[boasting]Or they can just go check my showcase.[/boasting]

I'm not trying to force anyone to do anything they don't want to, games are meant to be fun however they can also be challenging and stock has a high learning curve that when you stick to it you feel more accomplished when you create something great.

You guys could make these stock tournaments:

1. Noob wars. good idea
2. IRL stock. this is a rule for 1.
3. Random component list (from a hat) type tournaments. very excelent idea
4. Stock replica wars. bad idea

Then you don't need to learn glitches and such (except with #3) and more parts could get used.

[Merrick]

Wasn't Jonzu's Robot Wars 8 a stock replica tournament?

[Probably Rob]

No, we were allowed to build our own robots. Some NPCs were replicas, though.

[ianh05]

Stock replica's aren't that bad Venko, there were plenty back in the day.

[Jonzu95]

No, we were allowed to build our own robots. Some NPCs were replicas, though.

Actually Half of the bots were replicas, and the other half were Stock AI + GTM members.

And all these combined there were 128 entries.

[090901]

reier we need noob warz 5

[Naryar]

reier we need noob warz 5

yes

also DSL can be just as difficult as stock when you're stacking skirt hinges, and mostly all the stock glitches can be used in DSL standard.

There, I said it, stock isn't more difficult than DSL.

[ianh05]

reier we need noob warz 5

also DSL can be just as difficult as stock when you're stacking skirt hinges, and mostly all the stock glitches can be used in DSL standard.

Wait, what?

[Naryar]

reier we need noob warz 5

also DSL can be just as difficult as stock when you're stacking skirt hinges, and mostly all the stock glitches can be used in DSL standard.

Wait, what?

Yes. Don't tell me you never snapper loaded in DSL ?

[ianh05]

It's possible but not allowed in general, I made a drum years ago but because it wasn't realistic and past through an extender I had to remake it.

[J]

Ian: Do you even Stock Build?
J: *Raises hand*
Yes, I Stock Build.
(Rarely, now-a-days, but I still do, so it counts)

[Naryar]

It's possible but not allowed in general, I made a drum years ago but because it wasn't realistic and past through an extender I had to remake it.

Nobody ever banned glitch use from DSL, unless the result is unrealistic.

Snapper loading doesn't mean unrealistic bot.

[ianh05]

I don't see the point and have never seen any legal DSL bots use it.

[Thyrus]

Ian you really need to take the stick out of your butt. People tend to build realistic cause they want to have the vibe of the shows that brought them to this game rather than having something overeffective. just learn to deal with that and keep building what you want but stop mocking others

[ianh05]

stick out my butt? mocking others? when did this get personal?

[Thyrus]

it's just what I'm reading from you in this thread (and venko as well). saying people are to lazy to learn glitches and stuff. I guess I could learn it too but I just don't want to build stockystyle. never really have and never really will do

[ianh05]

There are people that seem too lazy, the new builders who join. They build stock get constructive criticism and then leave to DSL.

People have built stock realistic too, even the game devs did. DSL took that part away from stock due to it having more components.

DSL was always meant to be more realistic, I want to know why some people have given up on the main competitive part of the game.