It's been this way for awhile sadly, most stock builders have vanished and DSL is more appealing to most for different reasons (IRL, more components, easier to build etc.).i dont see why you're complaining as a fair few stock-only builders have just returned. sure we need more builders but now seems to be a fairly good time for stock, compared to earlier years
The botexchange is also telling. DSL HW exchange has 404 bots compared to stock HW exchange which has 207.This is not an objective proof at all.
fixed titleyea ok i fixed it again.
Perhaps it's due to no more Starcore AI? Maybe INFAI will give it a boost?ASAI anyone? i might be able to get the move on building more bots for the teams, ideas are starting to come in for me again.
^the man has a point.There are some different reasons why I don't post or upload all of my bots : too good, too crapy, nothing special, just a clone, not enough time, being lazy to make a splash and so...
Besides I for one know I don't upload all my bots to the exchange, and I hear Venko has many many unseen designs that definitely haven't made it to the exhange.
just saying, i've built wayy more standard bots than irl. and i think everyone knows i cant skin for crap :dumb)fixed titleyea ok i fixed it again.
what we need is for this irl fad to calm down, im fine with some irl bots being built, but GOD people, this is out-of-hand.
just as a reference, here are the 17 images that ian posted... BUT with primarily or exclusively IRL showcases highlighted in YELLOW
(http://i.imgur.com/3AZ3nOX.png)
the entire IRL bandwagon is drifting attention away from the ORIGINAL GAME over to "hurr who can make the best skin in paint.net/photoshop/ETC", bar those flippermaker-spammed bots.Perhaps it's due to no more Starcore AI? Maybe INFAI will give it a boost?ASAI anyone? i might be able to get the move on building more bots for the teams, ideas are starting to come in for me again.
yea ok i fixed it again.
what we need is for this irl fad to calm down, im fine with some irl bots being built, but OH MY ~ALLAH~ people, this is out-of-hand.
just as a reference, here are the 17 threads that ian posted... BUT with primarily or exclusively IRL showcases highlighted in YELLOW
(http://i.imgur.com/3AZ3nOX.png)
the entire IRL bandwagon is drifting attention away from the ORIGINAL GAME over to "hurr who can make the best skin in paint.net/photoshop/ETC", bar those flippermaker-spammed bots.
Perhaps it's due to no more Starcore AI? Maybe INFAI will give it a boost?There is a reason why I'm stuck all since I started to build with the Starcore pack, it's not the toughest, but with the most variety. Inf AI is more a very-effective-old-school-bots oriented. But where we can find someone that will make a very variable/innovative/freak but effective at the same time builder to make an AI pack like Starcore? So we are stuck for now with what we have.
just saying, i've built wayy more standard bots than irl. and i think everyone knows i cant skin for crap :dumb)*just as a reference, here are the 17 threads that ian posted... BUT with primarily or exclusively IRL showcases (as of late) highlighted in YELLOW
dsl standard will pretty much be dead after this though. there will still be a few builders but a lot less than for stock.
MAsMas, i could get used to this.
This game was supposed to be about IRL building in the first line. Look at the stock bots. look why this game has been made in the first place. it was done in the time when robot wars and battlebots were still on tv. it was made to have a game for your own creations. none of the developers had 36 macespinners and popups in mind when they did it.did the developers of RA2 do anything when 36HS or popups were on the rise back on the old forum, back when atari still cared? they didnt do anything. if they truly did care the slightest bit on how the building experience should be they would have had actual quality bugtesting instead of shipping it off with oh so many glitches and building some "realistic" bots to cover it up.
also why the heck would you fore a building style to stop? did I ever say "stop building DSL realism" or "don`t waste your time on stock standart building"?except i did not say to stop entirely, just saying how irl has practically overtaken the showcases like some sort of rampant tumor.
It's a game, let people enjoy it the way they want to.i want to play stock. too bad theres hardly anyone to play stock with anymore.
So which weapons are the best? The "Big Three" in standard stock building are iron spikes, maces, and razor tips. At least 95% of all bots you will see use these three exclusively.
How many times can you snapper load however many Ztek HPs with tribars with irons or maces and call it a new HS? Is it a new design just because you knocked one pixel of chassis space off but could still stack the same old setup?I have at least 3 very new setups for HSs, but they went so good, so I put them in the secret folder and no showcasing for now, I have something similar with a popup setup too. But I just assume, that there are not much people like me around to innovate.
DSL shell spinners all look the same too, so do other DSL bot types and many DSL components aren't used in tournaments etc. I just think IRL and the standard DSL realistic building factor are mostly attracting people who don't want to be bothered learning stock glitches.
QFT, some people just can't keep up with the hardness of the glitches.
Stock seems like it lacks designs because:
1. Click and FB aren't around much at all to showcase new designs.
True.
2. Venko likes keeping his best/most unique bots a secret.
My apology for this suxy act.
3. No major stock AI pack has been released in years!
True.
4. A lot more innovators have slowed down or ceased posting (such as Sage).
True.
Perhaps we need a gallery of inspiration, where people can post concepts and we could also post innovative designs from the past.
[boasting]Or they can just go check my showcase.[/boasting] :mrgreen:
I'm not trying to force anyone to do anything they don't want to, games are meant to be fun however they can also be challenging and stock has a high learning curve that when you stick to it you feel more accomplished when you create something great.
You guys could make these stock tournaments:
1. Noob wars. good idea
2. IRL stock. this is a rule for 1.
3. Random component list (from a hat) type tournaments. very excelent idea
4. Stock replica wars. bad idea
Then you don't need to learn glitches and such (except with #3) and more parts could get used.
No, we were allowed to build our own robots. Some NPCs were replicas, though.Actually Half of the bots were replicas, and the other half were Stock AI + GTM members.
reier we need noob warz 5
reier we need noob warz 5
also DSL can be just as difficult as stock when you're stacking skirt hinges, and mostly all the stock glitches can be used in DSL standard.
reier we need noob warz 5
also DSL can be just as difficult as stock when you're stacking skirt hinges, and mostly all the stock glitches can be used in DSL standard.
Wait, what?
It's possible but not allowed in general, I made a drum years ago but because it wasn't realistic and past through an extender I had to remake it.
I don't see the point and have never seen any legal DSL bots use it.
I don't see the point and have never seen any legal DSL bots use it.quite a few of my bots use it, even the irl ones
I don't see the point and have never seen any legal DSL bots use it.quite a few of my bots use it, even the irl ones
...because the constant stacking, overlapping and the mad axle load chains is too much of a hassle...VS
...There, I said it, stock isn't more difficult than DSL...So they are both hard, but You still ran into DSL?
Stock takes like 3x the amount of time to build pretty much the same thing.
Unless you really want highly unrealistic bots like 36HS (which kinna functions like a FSS in DSL anyway), DSL is an easier platform to work with for the same results.
...People are building less stock because fewer builders have learned how to properly build in recent years...
...Y'all are lame...it's not hard to be original in Stock...
...I maintain my position..."if you cant build stock, your credibility is alot less because this is the original game."...-Quit "reading" between the lines and posting insults based on wrong assumptions.
Even the poll results are giving the middle finger to stock building :rage
(http://i.imgur.com/bvf0Qwi.png)Even the poll results are giving the middle finger to stock building :rage
how is five less people a middle finger?
Please explain...
@ Nary :Tedious and hard are two different things.
Don't You contradict with yourself?...because the constant stacking, overlapping and the mad axle load chains is too much of a hassle...VS...There, I said it, stock isn't more difficult than DSL...So they are both hard, but You still ran into DSL?
Tedious and hard are two different things.True, but he didn't use this word, so it's better if he explain his posts.
(http://i.imgur.com/bvf0Qwi.png)Even the poll results are giving the middle finger to stock building :rage
how is five less people a middle finger?
Please explain...
(http://i.imgur.com/UIrAs2W.png)
No, we were allowed to build our own robots. Some NPCs were replicas, though.Actually Half of the bots were replicas, and the other half were Stock AI + GTM members.
And all these combined there were 128 entries.
Even the poll results are giving the middle finger to stock building :rage
123 pretty much nailed it : stock is tedious.
But DSL can be just as tedious as stock, with the constant wedge testing, occasional snapper load, chassis rebuild, The difference is that in DSL you're not contractually obliged to do these things as in stock.
Not to mention the vast improvement on variety and general practicality that is brought by 6x more components. Even if 75% of DSL components are totally useless (which is roughly the same ratio as stock).
No, DSL standard isn't intrinsically harder or easier than stock. Expectations are higher in stock, doesn't make it harder. IRL DSL is easier, but generally more tedious than standard DSL
Honestly I would build stock but I don't want to post anything second rate, and I don't want to build yet more popups and rammers (stuff that are hard not to be second rate at comparatively) and I end up not building stock at all.Duder, no one wants from You to build top level bots always. Although, I didn't get the impression that You are a bad stock builder... Also, for an example, not all the DSL builders are top level too, but they still build, so...