need more stock builders!

[Naryar]

I don't see the point and have never seen any legal DSL bots use it.

Then you obviously have no idea what effective DSL building is all about.

The point of snapper loading/eFFe/piston loading in DSL is to give you more tools to work with in the bot lab, and therefore more freedom, and therefore develop new designs. Nothing more. Nobody cares about the methods you use in botlab in DSL, as long as the result is good and realistic.

[ty4er]

I don't see the point and have never seen any legal DSL bots use it.

quite a few of my bots use it, even the irl ones

[Thyrus]

I see your point. I`ve also seen some people get some harsh advice in theire showcases. I work some text out when I`m really awake

[ianh05]

Link to snapper loaded DSL bots? I've always thought it was only used to stack components over/in each other like motors in batteries etc.

I think we should have a flow chart of stock AI progression for newbies, perhaps learning everything all at once and facing INF AI/Starcore v.4 is a bit much.

[Thyrus]

I guess that idea isn`t the worst. you learned stuff over the ages as well I guess

[ty4er]

snapper loading and other glitches aswell

etc

[martymidget]

I don't see the point and have never seen any legal DSL bots use it.

quite a few of my bots use it, even the irl ones

What this fine fellow said.

The main reason I built more DSL was that when I first joined all bot types were fair game- but since then it's contracted to only two or three at the top, similar to stock. I still build most of the lesser bot types though, jugglers and HS being my specialty.

If anything building a good IRL bot takes more planning than a standard DSL bot since I've been doing it for so long, and then stock is a step up. I only open stock if I have an idea that wouldn't be allowed by the shifty DSL rules, and then half the time I give up halfway through because I rarely have a setup in mind so it takes me hours...and I don't really want to spend that long building a bot unless it's UHW or something.

tl;dr I'm freaking lazy and bad at anything stock that isn't a popup.

[Naryar]

Besides, stock is dying ? Nonsense.

Look at these stats, that's 11 builders who play stock only, 11 who build both and 16 who build DSL.

That's 22 stock players and 27 DSL players, so the building community is around 50 people.

Which I suppose it's more like 30/40 because of showcase activity being not that important, even with not all builders showcasing.

Stock is not "dying" or anything like that, we merely are a small building community.

[infiniteinertia]

Y'all are lame...it's not hard to be original in Stock....

but anyway...... IIAI v1.0 OFFICIAL is coming out soon at least...

[ianh05]

Even the poll results are giving the middle finger to stock building 

[123savethewhales]

Stock takes like 3x the amount of time to build pretty much the same thing.

Unless you really want highly unrealistic bots like 36HS (which kinna functions like a FSS in DSL anyway), DSL is an easier platform to work with for the same results.

[Venko]

@ Nary :
Don't You contradict with yourself?

...because the constant stacking, overlapping and the mad axle load chains is too much of a hassle...

VS

...There, I said it, stock isn't more difficult than DSL...

So they are both hard, but You still ran into DSL?
Also :

Stock takes like 3x the amount of time to build pretty much the same thing.

Unless you really want highly unrealistic bots like 36HS (which kinna functions like a FSS in DSL anyway), DSL is an easier platform to work with for the same results.

@ Thyrus :
You need to apology to Ianh, NOW!
Because :
-This was a nice thread until You showed up and started an unprovoked personal directed insults to him (and even included me too).
-What are You doing here in general, if You don't build stock and don't want to, and this is a "need stock builders" thread?
-You are a double standard hypocrite, You told us that "we are mocking people", but You didn't say anything when Inf posted this :

...People are building less stock because fewer builders have learned how to properly build in recent years...

...Y'all are lame...it's not hard to be original in Stock...

...I maintain my position..."if you cant build stock, your credibility is alot less because this is the original game."...

-Quit "reading" between the lines and posting insults based on wrong assumptions.
-Also, if I say that someone is lazy or don't have an imagination, and then I demonstrate the opposite with a hard work, then I have the moral rights to call that person this way.
-I'm tired of the arrogance of the "DSL-yesterday-registered-children-mafia", that gangs up on someone every time when he speaks about stock. Why all flame wars with me and Ianh involved, had a "DSL only" members involved mostly, if not at all?
-DON'T FEEL FREE to protect your precious DSL, when there is no need to.
-I'm not much into DSL and that's why I don't post opinions in the DSL threads. I'm expecting the same from the people that don't build stock.
So, I'm "showing You the door", PAL, GTFO 

[martymidget]

Even the poll results are giving the middle finger to stock building 

how is five less people a middle finger?

Please explain...

[Mr. AS]

Even the poll results are giving the middle finger to stock building 

how is five less people a middle finger?

Please explain...

[123savethewhales]

@ Nary :
Don't You contradict with yourself?

...because the constant stacking, overlapping and the mad axle load chains is too much of a hassle...

VS

...There, I said it, stock isn't more difficult than DSL...

So they are both hard, but You still ran into DSL?

Tedious and hard are two different things.

[Venko]

Tedious and hard are two different things.

True, but he didn't use this word, so it's better if he explain his posts.

[123savethewhales]

Yes Stock is more tedious than DSL.  Stack batteries, snapper load drives into blue burst, axle load every weapon, gigantic anchors..... yeah not everyone's into doing stuff like that just to get to the same result.

[martymidget]

Even the poll results are giving the middle finger to stock building 

how is five less people a middle finger?

Please explain...

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How did I not see that 

roasting in fire, bye

[Probably Rob]

No, we were allowed to build our own robots. Some NPCs were replicas, though.

Actually Half of the bots were replicas, and the other half were Stock AI + GTM members.

And all these combined there were 128 entries.

That's what I said/meant.

"Half of the bots were replicas" is "Some NPCs were replicas"

[Naryar]

123 pretty much nailed it : stock is tedious.

But DSL can be just as tedious as stock, with the constant wedge testing, occasional snapper load, chassis rebuild, The difference is that in DSL you're not contractually obliged to do these things as in stock.

Not to mention the vast improvement on variety and general practicality that is brought by 6x more components. Even if 75% of DSL components are totally useless (which is roughly the same ratio as stock).

No, DSL standard isn't intrinsically harder or easier than stock. Expectations are higher in stock, doesn't make it harder.  IRL DSL is easier, but generally more tedious than standard DSL.

Even the poll results are giving the middle finger to stock building 

Way to be overdramatic.