Author Topic: DISCSS: AAM (Read 3138 times)

System32 · « **on:** September 25, 2009, 04:49:35 PM »

Should AAM Be allowed to be taught? Should it be allowed in Tournaments?

Judge: Naryar

For: Reier

Against: Sage

NO COMMENTS TO ALL NON DEBATERS.

Sage · « **Reply #1 on:** September 25, 2009, 05:18:39 PM »

Well, to start off, AAM is a new thing to the community and we know the community hates new things. Just look at when ACAMS added a few APs to the control board and the snapper2... and that was a small change. I don't even know how some people can think AAM is a good idea. Look at Inf's reaction. I hate it too. I know for a fact that almost every veteran and decent advanced user looks badly upon the idea.

I'll just leave it that for now.

Reier · « **Reply #2 on:** September 25, 2009, 05:23:47 PM »

In defense of AAM isssss:

Naryar · « **Reply #3 on:** September 25, 2009, 05:43:14 PM »

AAM is not new sage.

I am absolutely sure ACAMS complained about losing a tourney on AU because Carp104 edited his bot file.

RedSawn · « **Reply #4 on:** September 25, 2009, 07:25:14 PM »

Yeah, I know I'm not to be here.

Quote from: Naryar;68460

AAM is not new sage.

Going with what Nar said, if AAM is new then I wouldn't of known it and used it on multiple accounts in 2007 (To what extend I'm not sure, but it's not hard to figure out it wasn't exactly used effectively).. or even earlier.

Unless your idea of new is in a timespan of 2~3 years, Sage.

ACAMS · « **Reply #5 on:** September 25, 2009, 07:45:09 PM »

Quote from: Naryar;68460

I am absolutely sure ACAMS complained about losing a tourney on AU because Carp104 edited his bot file.

YOU ARE 100% WRONG!!!! bot file editing and AAM are two completly different ways to cheat!

I knew how to AAM in 2003.....it is NOT new, but still somewhat secret.
AAM is a must in building some bots with custom components, but should not be used in normal building. With all the glitches there really is no need for it in normal building. I am against making it public, but

.....even lra2 knows how to do it now, so it must not be very secret.

Scrap Daddy · « **Reply #6 on:** September 25, 2009, 07:59:57 PM »

^ Exactly. At least on the old forum people knew how to keep a glitch that could ruin a game quiet.

Naryar · « **Reply #7 on:** September 26, 2009, 12:46:59 AM »

So AAM is not editing the bot file... hmm... GMF swapping, heh ?

life robot arena2 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 26, 2009, 12:03:29 PM »

ACAMS,YA FAILED WITH ONE POST.

ACAMS · « **Reply #9 on:** September 26, 2009, 01:12:54 PM »

I have you beat then

1440:1
VS
1:1043

Did you bot ed, or AAM your entry for the contest?

System32 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 26, 2009, 02:06:02 PM »

AAM is like changing components GMF files. BFE is Changing the Bot file directly.

life robot arena2 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 26, 2009, 02:24:16 PM »

I did NOT BFE OR AMM.

Naryar · « **Reply #12 on:** September 26, 2009, 02:26:02 PM »

Then you (or ACAMS) show us what you did...

..maybe you found a way to ZeroG ??

life robot arena2 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 26, 2009, 02:26:44 PM »

Sage · « **Reply #14 on:** September 26, 2009, 02:34:02 PM »

It's new to the community. Earlier only a select few knew how to use it. That's what i meant.

RedSawn · « **Reply #15 on:** September 26, 2009, 03:23:37 PM »

Quote from: Sage;68626

It's new to the community. Earlier only a select few knew how to use it. That's what i meant.

Still doesn't explain my AAM uses in 2007. I was virtually still in noob mode back then, so how the knowledge went "that low" is a mystery.. unless someone knows?

Sage · « **Reply #16 on:** September 26, 2009, 03:27:16 PM »

Hmm. Well I guess I am uninformed. I just know that I never learned AAM.

Trovaner · « **Reply #17 on:** September 26, 2009, 04:49:36 PM »

Personally, I wouldn't really call it "a select few" either... I will admit that it is possible that Jimxorb may not have told very many people about how to do AAM (I wasn't around at the time) but he did tell HackerX. HackerX released a tutorial on how to do AAM to the public on Jan 16, 2004 (which is still available to this day) and from what I've heard, they used to talk openly about how to do AAM until a bunch of n00bs started cheating, bragging, and screwing up their games (this could have been before or after HackerX's tutorial). Since then, it has been included in several tutorials that were aimed toward helping newbs.

I don't want to be too specific but here are the differences between the attachment styles: (there are several variations on how to do each but they always involve the associated file extension)
AAM = GMF file editing
BFE = BOT file editing
Zero Glitch = TXT file editing

IMO none of these should be openly used for anything except putting together custom component bots but I'm indifferent about other people using them as long as they understand the possible consequences and acknowledge that they are not fair against other bots that didn't use them (just like the use of custom components).

Some general rules of thumb regarding AAM/BFE/ZG:

If you want yourself to be noticed as having skill in the botlab, don't be doing things outside of it.
Don't overdo a good thing (if its cool the first time, post some other stuff before doing it again)
People will respect you more if you are upfront about things even if they might have gone unnoticed.

Edit: I doubt Jimxorb was the first person to do/think of AAM but I mentioned him because he was largely accredited for making it public.

roboman2444 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 26, 2009, 04:51:53 PM »

if u do use aam bfe or vg plz tell that u did it for that one bot! also only use it for freaks or replicas or if u really cant get that cb into the nifty, but plz tell.

Reier · « **Reply #19 on:** September 26, 2009, 04:53:05 PM »

I'm really against AAM, I did it as a joke. :P