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Robot Arena => Discussion => Topic started by: System32 on September 25, 2009, 04:49:35 PM
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Should AAM Be allowed to be taught? Should it be allowed in Tournaments?
Judge: Naryar
For: Reier
Against: Sage
NO COMMENTS TO ALL NON DEBATERS.
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Well, to start off, AAM is a new thing to the community and we know the community hates new things. Just look at when ACAMS added a few APs to the control board and the snapper2... and that was a small change. I don't even know how some people can think AAM is a good idea. Look at Inf's reaction. I hate it too. I know for a fact that almost every veteran and decent advanced user looks badly upon the idea.
I'll just leave it that for now.
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In defense of AAM isssss:
(https://gametechmods.com/uploads/images/43530Bobsmith.png)
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AAM is not new sage.
I am absolutely sure ACAMS complained about losing a tourney on AU because Carp104 edited his bot file.
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Yeah, I know I'm not to be here.
AAM is not new sage.
Going with what Nar said, if AAM is new then I wouldn't of known it and used it on multiple accounts in 2007 (To what extend I'm not sure, but it's not hard to figure out it wasn't exactly used effectively).. or even earlier.
Unless your idea of new is in a timespan of 2~3 years, Sage.
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I am absolutely sure ACAMS complained about losing a tourney on AU because Carp104 edited his bot file.
YOU ARE 100% WRONG!!!! bot file editing and AAM are two completly different ways to cheat!
I knew how to AAM in 2003.....it is NOT new, but still somewhat secret.
AAM is a must in building some bots with custom components, but should not be used in normal building. With all the glitches there really is no need for it in normal building. I am against making it public, but heck.....even lra2 knows how to do it now, so it must not be very secret.
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^ Exactly. At least on the old forum people knew how to keep a glitch that could ruin a game quiet.
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So AAM is not editing the bot file... hmm... GMF swapping, heh ?
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ACAMS,YA FAILED WITH ONE POST.
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I have you beat then
1440:1
VS
1:1043
Did you bot ed, or AAM your entry for the contest?
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AAM is like changing components GMF files. BFE is Changing the Bot file directly.
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I did NOT BFE OR AMM.
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Then you (or ACAMS) show us what you did...
..maybe you found a way to ZeroG ??
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NO.
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It's new to the community. Earlier only a select few knew how to use it. That's what i meant.
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It's new to the community. Earlier only a select few knew how to use it. That's what i meant.
Still doesn't explain my AAM uses in 2007. I was virtually still in noob mode back then, so how the knowledge went "that low" is a mystery.. unless someone knows?
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Hmm. Well I guess I am uninformed. I just know that I never learned AAM.
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Personally, I wouldn't really call it "a select few" either... I will admit that it is possible that Jimxorb may not have told very many people about how to do AAM (I wasn't around at the time) but he did tell HackerX. HackerX released a tutorial on how to do AAM to the public on Jan 16, 2004 (which is still available to this day) and from what I've heard, they used to talk openly about how to do AAM until a bunch of n00bs started cheating, bragging, and screwing up their games (this could have been before or after HackerX's tutorial). Since then, it has been included in several tutorials that were aimed toward helping newbs.
I don't want to be too specific but here are the differences between the attachment styles: (there are several variations on how to do each but they always involve the associated file extension)
AAM = GMF file editing
BFE = BOT file editing
Zero Glitch = TXT file editing
IMO none of these should be openly used for anything except putting together custom component bots but I'm indifferent about other people using them as long as they understand the possible consequences and acknowledge that they are not fair against other bots that didn't use them (just like the use of custom components).
Some general rules of thumb regarding AAM/BFE/ZG:
- If you want yourself to be noticed as having skill in the botlab, don't be doing things outside of it.
- Don't overdo a good thing (if its cool the first time, post some other stuff before doing it again)
- People will respect you more if you are upfront about things even if they might have gone unnoticed.
Edit: I doubt Jimxorb was the first person to do/think of AAM but I mentioned him because he was largely accredited for making it public.
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if u do use aam bfe or vg plz tell that u did it for that one bot! also only use it for freaks or replicas or if u really cant get that cb into the nifty, but plz tell.
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I'm really against AAM, I did it as a joke. :P
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I don't want to be too specific but here are the differences between the attachment styles: (there are several variations on how to do each but they always involve the associated file extension)
AAM = GMF file editing
BFE = BOT file editing
Zero Glitch = TXT file editing
IMO none of these should be openly used for anything except putting together custom component bots but I'm indifferent about other people using them as long as they understand the possible consequences and acknowledge that they are not fair against other bots that didn't use them (just like the use of custom components).
Some general rules of thumb regarding AAM/BFE/ZG:
- If you want yourself to be noticed as having skill in the botlab, don't be doing things outside of it.
- Don't overdo a good thing (if its cool the first time, post some other stuff before doing it again)
- People will respect you more if you are upfront about things even if they might have gone unnoticed.
The first time I've ever really quoted something for truth.
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Zero Glitch revealed :O
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wait so u just edit the weight in the .txt or is it a diff way?
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I bet it's editing the 'passthru' in the txt.
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How about this thread gets closed? I really think this game will be trashed if somebody who shouldn't know how to use these powerful cheating techniques starts using them...
And BTW: what is all this LRA2 ZG'ing or whatever, about?
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LRA2 suddenly got better at building in stock, I think.
So Tronaver is saying that it was used commonly until a newb caused heck with it, and thus AAM got a book-burning bonanza like status?
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it always had that status moron.
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Ok,I,ll admit how i did this,I thought that GMF swapping was aloud,it wasnt,However,Contreversaly Inf learned me AAM by uploading his RA2 vidio:Fall of venkoisem.It had instructions.And i used a little tweak to how i did it.I WILL NO LONGER USE GMF SWAPPING OR AAM.
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When in doubt... make stuff up. GJ people.
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Eh.. If this is still going to go on and as seeing that Reier isnt really much a defender for AAM, I could take his place, since I use it on almost 100% of the bots I make these days, because im a lazy bastard.
Let me know if this is ok?
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BFE pwns all!
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Bot editing, if you are good at it, makes aam obsolete/ pointless.