Clash Cubes 3 Format - Discussion

[JoeBlo]

Fun little teaser trailer :-D



ok now onto the format :-D

I have had 3 possible ideas worked out for CC3 all fully planned out and tested to work, im going to give you guys the choice since many of you didn't like the "second chance after 1 fight" format from CC2

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Idea 1

qualifying in the head to head arena https://gametechmods.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2593&page=4 (scroll down a bit on that page)

the "winners" go into 1 bracket and the "losers" go into another

the faster you "win" the better your qualifying position
the faster you "loose" the worse your qualifying position

the brackets will be 2 of the 24 X Brackets from CC2 so that means 48 places for Clash Cubes 3, I think that it could be achieved with 30 people wanting in for CC2

matches would be a best 2 out of 3 to be fair on the robots

this format COULD have a fully supported Losers bracket but this would make it even more time consuming so you could expect a long tournament

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Idea 2

having the tournament ran a bit like robot wars

robots are divided up into 6 heats of 6 robots

round 1 is a 3 way rumble with 1 robot dropping out

round 2 is a 1 on 1 match with 1 robot dropping out

heat final is a 1 on 1 match with 1 robot dropping out

the 6 robots move on to the series semi's

then robots will fight it out in 1 on 1 giving 3 winners and 3 losers

the 3 losers will then be put in a 3 way rumble and the winner rejoins the winners

then 1 on 1 to decide the finals

then 1 on 1 for the finals

this would be 1 match only no best out of 3 its do or die so no losers bracket (except for the 1 match in the series semi)

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Idea 3

the tournament is split into "events" or "heats" of only a small number of places, robots qualify for each event in the attempt to make it in to the bracket for that event.

there will be 3 events to start off with each with a traditional 16 robot bracket, the fastest 16 qualifying robots get to compete in the event, others miss out

points are awarded, 10 for making it into the bracket then 10 for each round win

everyone is put into a points ladder and after 3 events the number of robots in contention is cut to only the top 10 on the ladder

the other robots not in contention however, still compete and can upset those fighting for the tittle

after 2 events the ladder cuts again to only the top four robots in contention

after 1 more event the winner is the robot with the highest points total


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so

idea 1 holds 48, idea 2 holds 36, idea 3 will hold any number above 16

please make you decision in the poll provided :-D, this thread is a replacement for the other as per Madiaba's suggestion :-D

[russian roulette]

#1 is the simplest in terms of the tournament itself
#2 is so traditional, doesn't have that cc twist
#3 ? still confused. Not as inviting compared to the other ones. Very vague description. Sounds really annoying to host, too.

[JoeBlo]

I actually picked number 3 :P I will see if I cant improve the description

Edit: done

[Naryar]

I voted 3, but i'll be fine for any setup that does not have rumbles and more than 4/5 wins for having a winner.

[somestrangeguy]

I was just kinda WTF when I saw this under the poll:
Voters: 3. You may not vote on this poll

Then I realized that I had again auto logged out.

Anyways I say #1. CC was unique thanks to its X bracket, It should not be taken out.

[trumpetguy]

1. Normal tournament, as I said earlier forgiving.
2. More rumbles=more fun.
3. More like a league, but with elimination.

....3

[Viper89]

Idea 1. Couple questions: Do you have some sort of idea yet when you might get this going( I know it's early;)).  Page 12 in my DSl showcase would The Devil's Vortex be legal for this tournment? if so I will stick around for this tournment :evil:.

[Somebody]

Idea #1 ftw. Keep it simple plleeeez.

[Natef]

I really like idea 2, because it's a lot like Robot Wars! I've always wanted to see a tourney in this format, ever since I came onto the forum.

[JoeBlo]

3. More like a league, but with elimination.

its based off the NHRA Drag Racing Championship Format having a small number of drivers left in contention, in the first year of having to new rules all 4 of the classes champions were decided at the last event and 2 of them in the very last race (in this case it could be the very last battle)

its a very entertaining and edge of your seat format to use :-D

[russian roulette]

I see your point Joe, but sometimes new things don't always work and the question is are you going to put the second largest tournament in jeopardy because of a new format? We are used to the Clash Cubes flow of the X bracket. I see what you mean because my dad used to do a little drag racing himself in the NHRA, but that doesn't mean anyone else would get it. And also only having 16 entrants? That is less than clash cubes 1!

[JoeBlo]

Idea 1. Couple questions: Do you have some sort of idea yet when you might get this going( I know it's early;)).

not entirely sure but as I move into full time study next year + having to juggle a job around that I dont know if I will have the time to doo all the things like AI, etc so I was hoping to start late Dec-Feb time frame as that best suits me, I was going to aim for Jan as an actual start as that is the 1 year anniversary of me being on here :P

Page 12 in my DSl showcase would The Devil's Vortex be legal for this tournment? if so I will stick around for this tournment :evil:.

that robot looks perfectly legal from what I can see, Crawler/ Thwacker if im not mistaken :-D (I prob am so someone please clarify :P)

[JoeBlo]

I see your point Joe, but sometimes new things don't always work and the question is are you going to put the second largest tournament in jeopardy because of a new format?

hehe flat out commenting in this thread :P

you make a very good point there ^^ I think that format 3 is better for a smaller and possible new tournament (nobody steal that idea lol I dont think many understand it anyway haha)

also CC1 had 12 entrants :P

[russian roulette]

Oh well, it's not yellow journalism when 1 fact is wrong. I have an idea for a new tournament too, incorporating internet memes into a bot or a whole new bot type!

[Viper89]

ya it's the Crawler/thwacker :D. Late December sounds good is there already a AI for that bot type that I can play around with to test

[trumpetguy]

Why is RR's family doing big things, dad-drag racing, brother-DJ on the road...

[JoeBlo]

ya it's the Crawler/thwacker :D. Late December sounds good is there already a AI for that bot type that I can play around with to test

one of the FBS.py's could work well if you want it to spin as soon as the match starts ?

otherwise whipper_plus would work well (see Phil's CC1 entry Awful Red Thing FOS)

Edit: also RR what did you dad drive ? there is a drag racing thread in the auto section in chatterbox im interested the hear about it there :)

[russian roulette]

Why is RR's family doing big things, dad-drag racing, brother-DJ on the road...

Well were pretty normal actually. Don't judge people. I never did alot of things. The biggest thing I've ever done is going to college.

[JoeBlo]

there is still plenty of time in your life to achieve more.. like staying on topic would be a good one

hehehe just joking the poll is the only thing of real importance in this thread :P

vote. vote. vote. vote. vote. vote. did I mention vote.

[JoeBlo]

ok since ACAMS used the poll for BOTM I say we are clear to set up a new poll here, so for the third time lol please cast your vote

due to the new poll features you can change your votes also