Author Topic: building a bot using a new technique (Read 4666 times)

tankcat · « **on:** April 23, 2009, 04:27:36 AM »

I've been building this bot using a technique to stack burst motor axles over each other, as well as connecting hp-zteks directly to the burst motor opening up another layer for stacking weapons on the tribar extender. I have attached the results so far, I plan to rebuild it using a more compressed chassis.

Picture 1 from the left shows the four motors swung outward, just to clarify that there are four motors.

Picture 2 shows all of the motors stacked in the center. You can tell how compressed this is compared to other HS setups.

Picture 3 shows the motors with tribars and hammers, extremely easy to center using this building method as well.

Picture 4 is me using the effeing glitch to stack 6 maces on a single arm. This is possible because of the extra layer opened up from not using an extender on the burst motor.

Picture 5 is to show the end result, I think it comes out nicely. I'm not sure of the application of 6 maces per arm, but you could make a starcore worthy SHW HS.

I thought this set up was especially unique in the way that it is so compact, it allows me enough weight to add another motor with triple stacked weapons on the tribars.

If things go as planned, this set up will come down to 4 hp-zteks with 9 maces on each tribar, giving a grand total of 36 maces at just under 800 pounds. I'll update this later as I progress on the bot.

RedSawn · « **Reply #1 on:** April 23, 2009, 04:51:39 AM »

Looks awesome. Need to learn that sort of thing.

ianh05 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 23, 2009, 05:24:59 AM »

only 36 maces? no improvement then... AC and other bots have 36 maces.

Sage · « **Reply #3 on:** April 23, 2009, 06:35:11 AM »

You will never get 36 maces on with that setup. Sorry. (Unless you only use 2 Hp-Zteks... which could turn out interesting)

RedSawn · « **Reply #4 on:** April 23, 2009, 09:36:23 AM »

Quote from: Sage;35084

You will never get 36 maces on with that setup. Sorry. (Unless you only use 2 Hp-Zteks... which could turn out interesting)

Perhaps by using cheat Snappers there's a chance. Then again SNSs (if that's what they're called...) are well beyond me.

moonbear · « **Reply #5 on:** April 23, 2009, 12:52:03 PM »

I bet he figures out a way to get this working and under the weight limit. Don't ask me how but every time Ive doubted him with this game, hes suprised me. That bot is the pics is using DSA and not the tightest possible chassis. If he uses plastic armor and make a new body for it, I believe he can do it.

Hydro · « **Reply #6 on:** April 23, 2009, 01:20:53 PM »

antiballast...

works great.

moonbear · « **Reply #7 on:** April 23, 2009, 02:00:58 PM »

Quote from: ianh05;35079

only 36 maces? no improvement then... AC and other bots have 36 maces.

He never said it was an improvment, just a new way of doing things. Although it would be a lot more compact, so who knows? It may be better.

Antiballast would be cheating haha.

Reier · « **Reply #8 on:** April 23, 2009, 02:05:51 PM »

Well, it looks like he's using 1 black & RAD drive.

tankcat · « **Reply #9 on:** April 23, 2009, 02:29:12 PM »

Quote from: ianh05;35079

only 36 maces? no improvement then... AC and other bots have 36 maces.

Yes, because compacting and stacking 4 burst-motor hp-zteks into the space of 2 black batteries is definitely not an improvement at all.

Quote from: Sage;35084

You will never get 36 maces on with that setup. Sorry. (Unless you only use 2 Hp-Zteks... which could turn out interesting)

And sage, I've already done the calculations. I can make the chassis small enough to fit everything under 800kg, I'll post pictures later when I've actually completed the bot.

I'm completing this bot using all stock, no anti-ballasts or anything. And this was just to show this burst motor stacking method I did to stack 4 motors so compact. Which, by the way, is more compact than anything else I've seen on here.

EDIT: Once again, this is NOT my final bot. There is a ton of free space in the chassis, this was just to show what I thought was an interesting and new way to stack burst motor axles over each other to make a compact stacked motor set up.

Also this was to show that connecting the motor directly to the burst-motor allows you one more layer of extenders for the tribar, which allows you to stack more than 3 weapons easily.

System32 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 23, 2009, 03:00:38 PM »

I think somone deserves a wikipage....

moonbear · « **Reply #11 on:** April 23, 2009, 03:09:45 PM »

Id agree with that. I turned him onto this game like 4 or 5 weeks ago. withhin 5 days he was better than me. Id been playing for a year.

tankcat · « **Reply #12 on:** April 23, 2009, 03:11:08 PM »

Quote from: System32;35113

I think somone deserves a wikipage....

A wikipage would be awesome

System32 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 23, 2009, 03:26:13 PM »

https://gametechmods.com/RA2wiki/index.php?title=Tankcat

Want more respect? You'll have to earn it, like everyone else.

Sage · « **Reply #14 on:** April 23, 2009, 03:28:42 PM »

Quote from: tankcat;35109

And sage, I've already done the calculations. I can make the chassis small enough to fit everything under 800kg, I'll post pictures later when I've actually completed the bot. how many batts and what drive?

I'm completing this bot using all stock, no anti-ballasts or anything. And this was just to show this burst motor stacking method I did to stack 4 motors so compact. Which, by the way, is more compact than anything else I've seen on here. i did it with 4 servos a long time ago... all in the exact same spot. but that's not on this forum, so i see where you are coming from.

EDIT: Once again, this is NOT my final bot. There is a ton of free space in the chassis, this was just to show what I thought was an interesting and new way to stack burst motor axles over each other to make a compact stacked motor set up.

Also this was to show that connecting the motor directly to the burst-motor allows you one more layer of extenders for the tribar, which allows you to stack more than 3 weapons easily. which is cool, but if you're using 4 hpz then it's not very helpful.

i wanna see a final picture, because if you can build a 36 HS with 4 Green Snappers, you will blow our minds. (Has to have HPZ drive though... and two blacks.

tankcat · « **Reply #15 on:** April 23, 2009, 05:27:53 PM »

Quote from: Sage;35117

i wanna see a final picture, because if you can build a 36 HS with 4 Green Snappers, you will blow our minds. (Has to have HPZ drive though... and two blacks.

that is literally impossible, using 4hpz + 4 burst motors + triple stacked maces on each arm of 4 tribars brings a grand total of 646kg for this weapon setup. That would mean I have 154kg left over for chassis, 2 black batteries (60kg), a control board (6kg) and 2 hpz + wheels (84kg). adding everything besides the chassis would be a total of 796kg. that would mean I would need a 4kg chassis for that to work.

my HS weapons will surround the entire chassis so I don't need a powerful drive, just enough to steer and keep me from going immobile.

Sage · « **Reply #16 on:** April 23, 2009, 06:09:48 PM »

Then why did you say you could?

tankcat · « **Reply #17 on:** April 23, 2009, 06:32:26 PM »

I never said I could with make this bot work with an HPZ drive, I said I could make it work under 800kg with 36 maces and 4 burst HPZ stacked motors. Sorry if it seemed like I was suggesting I could set up the bot like that, I didn't mean to. I would like to make this bot work with an HPZ drive, but that would take a lot more tweaking, if at all possible...

This thread was mainly to showcase the burst motor stacked HPZ layout I made. I wasn't sure if anyone else had made something like it, but apparently someone else made something to the same effect with servo motors.

Also I wanted to elaborate that by directly attaching the HPZ to the burst motor, you could stack more than 3 weapons which as sage pointed out, would make it possible to stack 36 maces using only 2 motors.

Scrap Daddy · « **Reply #18 on:** April 23, 2009, 06:35:45 PM »

It will never work with whatever tweaking you do unless you use one black (making your bot underpowered) or plastic. Only way to do it is use blue snappers or servos. Actually, im pretty sure a 36 mace 4 hp bot is impossible using 2 snappers. You would have to stack them (which can be done) but its hard. Not a new technique either but you're doing good for only having the game for 4 weeks.

tankcat · « **Reply #19 on:** April 23, 2009, 07:21:11 PM »

Quote from: Scrap Daddy;35142

It will never work with whatever tweaking you do unless you use one black (making your bot underpowered) or plastic. Only way to do it is use blue snappers or servos. Actually, im pretty sure a 36 mace 4 hp bot is impossible using 2 snappers. You would have to stack them (which can be done) but its hard. Not a new technique either but you're doing good for only having the game for 4 weeks.

I figured it wouldn't be possible without plastic armor, but I have a few other questions:

By 2 snappers are you saying that I would connect 2 HPZs to 1 snapper? If I do that, will both the HPZs spin at the same speed as 1 HPZ connected to a snapper? If this is true, I might just use 2 snappers from now on.

Also, is it possible to stack 2 snappers on top of each other? I tried at first but could not get them to stack no matter what, my method of stacking the snapper axles is what I came up with from that, which works rather nice since it stacks the motors directly on top of each other perfectly centered.