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Robot Arena => Discussion => Topic started by: tankcat on April 23, 2009, 04:27:36 AM
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I've been building this bot using a technique to stack burst motor axles over each other, as well as connecting hp-zteks directly to the burst motor opening up another layer for stacking weapons on the tribar extender. I have attached the results so far, I plan to rebuild it using a more compressed chassis.
Picture 1 from the left shows the four motors swung outward, just to clarify that there are four motors.
Picture 2 shows all of the motors stacked in the center. You can tell how compressed this is compared to other HS setups.
Picture 3 shows the motors with tribars and hammers, extremely easy to center using this building method as well.
Picture 4 is me using the effeing glitch to stack 6 maces on a single arm. This is possible because of the extra layer opened up from not using an extender on the burst motor.
Picture 5 is to show the end result, I think it comes out nicely. I'm not sure of the application of 6 maces per arm, but you could make a starcore worthy SHW HS.
I thought this set up was especially unique in the way that it is so compact, it allows me enough weight to add another motor with triple stacked weapons on the tribars.
If things go as planned, this set up will come down to 4 hp-zteks with 9 maces on each tribar, giving a grand total of 36 maces at just under 800 pounds. I'll update this later as I progress on the bot.
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Looks awesome. Need to learn that sort of thing.
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only 36 maces? no improvement then... AC and other bots have 36 maces.
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You will never get 36 maces on with that setup. Sorry. (Unless you only use 2 Hp-Zteks... which could turn out interesting)
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You will never get 36 maces on with that setup. Sorry. (Unless you only use 2 Hp-Zteks... which could turn out interesting)
Perhaps by using cheat Snappers there's a chance. Then again SNSs (if that's what they're called...) are well beyond me.
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I bet he figures out a way to get this working and under the weight limit. Don't ask me how but every time Ive doubted him with this game, hes suprised me. That bot is the pics is using DSA and not the tightest possible chassis. If he uses plastic armor and make a new body for it, I believe he can do it.
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antiballast...
works great.
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only 36 maces? no improvement then... AC and other bots have 36 maces.
He never said it was an improvment, just a new way of doing things. Although it would be a lot more compact, so who knows? It may be better.
Antiballast would be cheating haha.
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Well, it looks like he's using 1 black & RAD drive.
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only 36 maces? no improvement then... AC and other bots have 36 maces.
Yes, because compacting and stacking 4 burst-motor hp-zteks into the space of 2 black batteries is definitely not an improvement at all.
You will never get 36 maces on with that setup. Sorry. (Unless you only use 2 Hp-Zteks... which could turn out interesting)
And sage, I've already done the calculations. I can make the chassis small enough to fit everything under 800kg, I'll post pictures later when I've actually completed the bot.
I'm completing this bot using all stock, no anti-ballasts or anything. And this was just to show this burst motor stacking method I did to stack 4 motors so compact. Which, by the way, is more compact than anything else I've seen on here.
EDIT: Once again, this is NOT my final bot. There is a ton of free space in the chassis, this was just to show what I thought was an interesting and new way to stack burst motor axles over each other to make a compact stacked motor set up.
Also this was to show that connecting the motor directly to the burst-motor allows you one more layer of extenders for the tribar, which allows you to stack more than 3 weapons easily.
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I think somone deserves a wikipage....
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Id agree with that. I turned him onto this game like 4 or 5 weeks ago. withhin 5 days he was better than me. Id been playing for a year.
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I think somone deserves a wikipage....
A wikipage would be awesome
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https://gametechmods.com/RA2wiki/index.php?title=Tankcat
Want more respect? You'll have to earn it, like everyone else.
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And sage, I've already done the calculations. I can make the chassis small enough to fit everything under 800kg, I'll post pictures later when I've actually completed the bot. how many batts and what drive?
I'm completing this bot using all stock, no anti-ballasts or anything. And this was just to show this burst motor stacking method I did to stack 4 motors so compact. Which, by the way, is more compact than anything else I've seen on here. i did it with 4 servos a long time ago... all in the exact same spot. but that's not on this forum, so i see where you are coming from.
EDIT: Once again, this is NOT my final bot. There is a ton of free space in the chassis, this was just to show what I thought was an interesting and new way to stack burst motor axles over each other to make a compact stacked motor set up.
Also this was to show that connecting the motor directly to the burst-motor allows you one more layer of extenders for the tribar, which allows you to stack more than 3 weapons easily. which is cool, but if you're using 4 hpz then it's not very helpful.
i wanna see a final picture, because if you can build a 36 HS with 4 Green Snappers, you will blow our minds. (Has to have HPZ drive though... and two blacks.
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i wanna see a final picture, because if you can build a 36 HS with 4 Green Snappers, you will blow our minds. (Has to have HPZ drive though... and two blacks.
that is literally impossible, using 4hpz + 4 burst motors + triple stacked maces on each arm of 4 tribars brings a grand total of 646kg for this weapon setup. That would mean I have 154kg left over for chassis, 2 black batteries (60kg), a control board (6kg) and 2 hpz + wheels (84kg). adding everything besides the chassis would be a total of 796kg. that would mean I would need a 4kg chassis for that to work.
my HS weapons will surround the entire chassis so I don't need a powerful drive, just enough to steer and keep me from going immobile.
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Then why did you say you could?
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I never said I could with make this bot work with an HPZ drive, I said I could make it work under 800kg with 36 maces and 4 burst HPZ stacked motors. Sorry if it seemed like I was suggesting I could set up the bot like that, I didn't mean to. I would like to make this bot work with an HPZ drive, but that would take a lot more tweaking, if at all possible...
This thread was mainly to showcase the burst motor stacked HPZ layout I made. I wasn't sure if anyone else had made something like it, but apparently someone else made something to the same effect with servo motors.
Also I wanted to elaborate that by directly attaching the HPZ to the burst motor, you could stack more than 3 weapons which as sage pointed out, would make it possible to stack 36 maces using only 2 motors.
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It will never work with whatever tweaking you do unless you use one black (making your bot underpowered) or plastic. Only way to do it is use blue snappers or servos. Actually, im pretty sure a 36 mace 4 hp bot is impossible using 2 snappers. You would have to stack them (which can be done) but its hard. Not a new technique either but you're doing good for only having the game for 4 weeks.
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It will never work with whatever tweaking you do unless you use one black (making your bot underpowered) or plastic. Only way to do it is use blue snappers or servos. Actually, im pretty sure a 36 mace 4 hp bot is impossible using 2 snappers. You would have to stack them (which can be done) but its hard. Not a new technique either but you're doing good for only having the game for 4 weeks.
I figured it wouldn't be possible without plastic armor, but I have a few other questions:
By 2 snappers are you saying that I would connect 2 HPZs to 1 snapper? If I do that, will both the HPZs spin at the same speed as 1 HPZ connected to a snapper? If this is true, I might just use 2 snappers from now on.
Also, is it possible to stack 2 snappers on top of each other? I tried at first but could not get them to stack no matter what, my method of stacking the snapper axles is what I came up with from that, which works rather nice since it stacks the motors directly on top of each other perfectly centered.
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It will never work with whatever tweaking you do unless you use one black (making your bot underpowered) or plastic. Only way to do it is use blue snappers or servos. Actually, im pretty sure a 36 mace 4 hp bot is impossible using 2 snappers. You would have to stack them (which can be done) but its hard. Not a new technique either but you're doing good for only having the game for 4 weeks.
I figured it wouldn't be possible without plastic armor, but I have a few other questions:
By 2 snappers are you saying that I would connect 2 HPZs to 1 snapper? If I do that, will both the HPZs spin at the same speed as 1 HPZ connected to a snapper? If this is true, I might just use 2 snappers from now on.
Also, is it possible to stack 2 snappers on top of each other? I tried at first but could not get them to stack no matter what, my method of stacking the snapper axles is what I came up with from that, which works rather nice since it stacks the motors directly on top of each other perfectly centered.
I know I could probably find it by lurking, but what is a blue snapper motor and is it a stock part? I want to build this bot only using stock parts.
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Well, yeah. You would have to attach two motors to each snapper to get even close to 36 mace 4 hp HS and yeah, they will spin at the same speed.
Im not sure if you can stack the green snappers exactly ontop of each other. Ive tried but was unsucessful. You can however stack them on the green parts. Ive seen it done before and I did it once just fooling around trying to stack things. The grey square thing doesn't seem to stack into each other though.
https://gametechmods.com/Robot_Arena2/Components/Combo_AI_&_SZ.zip
Get the new components.cfz there. The blue snapper is considered stock so yea.
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The blue snapper is a hidden stock part. If you download the "unhider" then you can use them. They are used by the Stock AI, and are thus pure stock components. The snapper in particular is useful.
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Well, yeah. You would have to attach two motors to each snapper to get even close to 36 mace 4 hp HS and yeah, they will spin at the same speed.
Im not sure if you can stack the green snappers exactly ontop of each other. Ive tried but was unsucessful. You can however stack them on the green parts. Ive seen it done before and I did it once just fooling around trying to stack things. The grey square thing doesn't seem to stack into each other though.
https://gametechmods.com/Robot_Arena2/Components/Combo_AI_&_SZ.zip
Get the new components.cfz there. The blue snapper is considered stock so yea.
I got the grey things (axle) to stack inside of each other by spinning the axle of one out of it's place, then placing the other snapper while the axle was floating outside the chassis. I could explain this method later if anyone likes, right now I'm kind of busy.
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A quick update, I am finishing the bot AND satisfying sage's comment about having HPZ drive as well. I had to bring it down to 2 snappers, but as Scrap Daddy pointed out that will not effect the speed, so no harm done. I will post the pictures later tonight.
EDIT: Here are the results of my bot, which is just under 800 by 1.6kg.
I used the hammers to show the weight of triple stacked maces, which I will add later.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/vg5rp4.png)
A closer look at the components. The chassis is smaller than 2 black batteries side by side.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2dueb6p.png)
Here's what the motor components look like swung outside of the bot. I decided to stack the drive motors on to the extender connected to the burst motors as well, as it saved space and weight.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/wrf2me.png)
The drive is pretty stable, everything seems to work fine. I havn't tested it on anything yet, I'll probably put it against some starcore bots tomorrow.
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Nice work, TC. Looks very interesting.
I'll PM you a few thoughts and comments...
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Dude, you could've entered that in BBEANS5. :D
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awh! look at that cute little thing!
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm95/sultanita/kitty3.jpg)
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Dude. You gotta let me be the 1st to fight it. I wanna see how fast it can beat me. Later bro. EDIT- AND THEN, I think we should see how it does against Absolute Chaos. Maker willing of course.
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1. Your bot is not invertable!
2. It have something fishy here...
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Is this your setup?
How you put the 4 weapon HPZTEKs in exactly one place? How you even have 2 HPs on one extender that are "in one". You don't have enouth attach point to do this and if you use other black extenders you will not be able (rule of 7) to add your maces in the end.
If you add another black extender on your #2 in the pic, then the weapons HPs will be not exactly all in one, plus you will not have enouth attach (rule of 7) to add your maces.
So how even you put all this 4 weapon HPs...
Plus, now you add hammers, but you will need to add two more things in the chain, and "rule of 7" will not let you.
Please explain your setup with pics... Im curious...
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1. Your bot is not invertable!
2. It have something fishy here...
[ATTACH]312[/ATTACH]
Is this your setup?
How you put the 4 weapon HPZTEKs in exactly one place? How you even have 2 HPs on one extender that are "in one". You don't have enouth attach point to do this and if you use other black extenders you will not be able (rule of 7) to add your maces in the end.
If you add another black extender on your #2 in the pic, then the weapons HPs will be not exactly all in one, plus you will not have enouth attach (rule of 7) to add your maces.
So how even you put all this 4 weapon HPs...
Plus, now you add hammers, but you will need to add two more things in the chain, and "rule of 7" will not let you.
Please explain your setup with pics... Im curious...
You're right, my bot isn't invertible. One good thing is that even if I do get flipped the spin of my weapons hits me back on to the right side.
Also, I will go ahead and elaborate on my setup:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/28l43yf.png)
This picture is a quick layout of my motor system; the green dots are connection points, the black bars are extenders, and the grey blocks are hpztek motors. I used effeing to make enough room to add motors.
You are also right about the "rule of 7", I will not be able to use the conventional stacking method to stack my maces. I had planned this though, as the additional extenders it would've taken weigh too much and my bot would not have worked. I am going to stack 3 maces on each 20cm extender, giving me a similar effect (hopefully).
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You still didnt tell me your setup, and didnt show or explain how you have stacked weapon 4 HPs in one on the pic!!!...
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You still didnt tell me your setup, and didnt show or explain how you have stacked weapon 4 HPs in one on the pic!!!...
What do you mean? The picture does show how I stacked the HPZs, let me reiterate:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2n7e7w1.png)
The picture on the left shows where the extenders have been connected, this is what they looked like after I used the effe glitch. They were spread out enough for me to add motors. Notice how the 2 extenders in the diagram on the left overlap in the diagram on the right because I used the side connections points on the first extender for both additional extenders.
The result is 2 HPZ stacked for weapons, and 1 HPZ left for a wheel.
I simply repeated the same thing with another burst motor on the other side after stacking the burst motor axles over each other.
If this doesn't explain it, I don't know how to go into more detail without a video.
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Hey, first you have posted your post without the explanations, then i posted mine, then you must have edited your and add them... Misunderstanding...
Now, i see that you will not be able to put your maces as you planned, cos of rule of seven, so you will addd them to one extender...
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Nice... hammer suck balls though so make sure to put maces on. and try to make it invertible next time.
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Hey, first you have posted your post without the explanations, then i posted mine, then you must have edited your and add them... Misunderstanding...
Now, i see that you will not be able to put your maces as you planned, cos of rule of seven, so you will addd them to one extender...
Yes, sorry about that. I wasn't sure if I had edited it or was posting it for the first time, post data can be confusing...
Nice... hammer suck balls though so make sure to put maces on. and try to make it invertible next time.
I tried to make the chassis invertible, but I tested to see if a hubcab wheel would touch the ground on both sides with the HPZ attached to the base and it wouldn't. I made my chassis 7px taller than minimum to make room for the burst motors, so I figured I might as well make the best of the traction on one side if I couldn't make it invertible. I might be able to make it invertible if I flipped my entire setup and had the tribars facing up... My curiosity at this point is drained though, too much effort into making this bot work.
Also I agree, hammers are a horrible weapon choice and were merely used as counterbalances to show that 3 maces would be under the weight limit.
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I made my chassis 7px taller than minimum to make room for the burst motors, so I figured I might as well make the best of the traction on one side if I couldn't make it invertible.
Actually, just for future reference, you only need 6px for the green burst motors.
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Actually, just for future reference, you only need 6px for the green burst motors.
Alright thanks for the tip sage. Do you think it's possible to make this bot invertible using shiny hubcap wheels or is it too tall?
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Alright thanks for the tip sage. Do you think it's possible to make this bot invertible using shiny hubcap wheels or is it too tall?
Not with the snappers vertical like that.
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I thought so... well, at least it can self right.
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I thought so... well, at least it can self right.
Well that's an even trade-off.
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while using Tankcat's technique, I stumbled across a way to have wep motors insted of just four. The only problem is that it takes a LOOONG time.
I modified Tankcats diagram. My robot uses the motors side connections instead of the rear.
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while using Tankcat's technique, I stumbled across a way to have wep motors insted of just four. The only problem is that it takes a LOOONG time.
I modified Tankcats diagram. My robot uses the motors side connections instead of the rear.
Actually I had to use a motor connected to that point to swing the burst motor's axle out of it's arc. And yes in the diagram I meant to put the motors connected to the side and not the rear. I was going to build another bot using 3 motors using that technique, but right now I'm kind of burned out on building.
EDIT: Actually, I really want to challenge some other HS with this bot. Specifically Absolute Chaos.