Author Topic: Robo Zone 2. [Sign-ups are closed] (Read 11319 times)

ianh05 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 28, 2012, 05:24:16 PM »

Logan has changed his entry.

Mr. AS · « **Reply #41 on:** September 28, 2012, 05:24:24 PM »

Quote from: ianh05 on September 28, 2012, 05:21:33 PM

Who made these rules?

idk probably acams

Quote from: ianh05 on September 28, 2012, 05:21:33 PM

if everyone else is able to-

nope.avi.wmv.torrent.rar.zip.bmp.tga.cfz

ianh05 · « **Reply #42 on:** September 28, 2012, 05:29:23 PM »

Sorry but these new rules are just strange, how come the host needs to show their entry but no one else has to until entries are closed? Do people really think the host can come up with a new design that beats all entries they receive? I don't recall click having to do this for BBEANS...

Either way this tournament is not your average battle each other tournament, it has challenges and only the top 4 after those challenges will face off for the title. People have been able to change entries in past tournaments too :/

And even if I change my entry (which I have and have posted for all to see) everyone else can change their entries this weekend... so I don't see how it's unfair.

NFX · « **Reply #43 on:** September 28, 2012, 05:30:45 PM »

I'm pretty sure the host is unable to change their entry once signups have begun. This is to avoid hosts receiving all the entrants, then changing their bot to one that can beat them all. It keeps the playing field level, since the entrants don't know their opponents for sure either, thus none of the entrants can alter their bots to beat their specific competition.

ianh05 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 28, 2012, 05:35:06 PM »

Quote from: NFX on September 28, 2012, 05:30:45 PM

I'm pretty sure the host is unable to change their entry once signups have begun. This is to avoid hosts receiving all the entrants, then changing their bot to one that can beat them all. It keeps the playing field level, since the entrants don't know their opponents for sure either, thus none of the entrants can alter their bots to beat their specific competition.

I see what the rule is meant to prevent but I strongly disagree with it, especially for this kind of tournament. I mean if everyone else gets to see the hosts entry what are the chances of a host ever winning in the future if only they can't change their entry but everyone else can?

In a normal tournament the host can't design an entry in that time to beat all other entries anyway :/

Fracture · « **Reply #45 on:** September 28, 2012, 06:22:15 PM »

Quote from: G.K. on September 02, 2012, 06:18:35 AM

Show your entry if you are entering.

Whether you think not being able to change your entry is unfair or not, that's the rule as of the creation of this Signups thread, so it's what you have to go by. If you don't agree with the rule, take it up with G.K. or NFX, but I'm guessing it won't have any effect on this tournament because the rule was established before this tournament was posted. The host could design a bot to generally perform well against 15 others, while entrants can choose to design a bot to beat just the host's vs. designing one to beat 14 unknown other bots...

Also, if you don't want people to be able to update their entries you can just say it in the signup rules...

ianh05 · « **Reply #46 on:** September 28, 2012, 06:44:29 PM »

did anyone find the rule on the host not being able to update/change their entry? because I couldn't find one :/

Fracture · « **Reply #47 on:** September 28, 2012, 09:20:40 PM »

That should be a given; there's no point in having to show your entry if you're just going to change it later...

What confuses me is that you said you couldn't change your entry to begin with, so what made you change your mind?

Quote from: ianh05 on September 25, 2012, 03:09:23 PM

-Can't change my entry! -.-

ianh05 · « **Reply #48 on:** September 28, 2012, 10:48:44 PM »

Quote from: Fracture on September 28, 2012, 09:20:40 PM

That should be a given; there's no point in having to show your entry if you're just going to change it later...

What confuses me is that you said you couldn't change your entry to begin with, so what made you change your mind?

Quote from: ianh05 on September 25, 2012, 03:09:23 PM
-Can't change my entry! -.-

People have been able to change/update entries for ages, I have changed my BBEANS entry before. I changed my mind when someone else wanted to change their entry, I didn't want to allow changes because it was more work and I had already AI'd the bots and made the splashes.

These new rules are wrong IMO, I will talk to G.K but honestly it seems like the people hosting are getting it tough despite being the ones putting in all the work. Did I miss something while I was away where some host got caught changing their entry to beat certain robots they received or something?

Squirrel_Monkey · « **Reply #49 on:** September 29, 2012, 02:23:21 AM »

Just because the rule seems wrong to you, doesn't mean you can ignore it. You agreed by going through GTM to host that you would follow the rules set. It's the same for everyone.

ianh05 · « **Reply #50 on:** September 29, 2012, 02:48:40 AM »

Guys it isn't a bloody rule FFS, YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE YOUR ENTRY. quit making stuff up, it's ticking me off. until someone quotes some rule stating you can't change your entry then i will keep it this way.

Jamin · « **Reply #51 on:** September 29, 2012, 02:53:17 AM »

ya know, there isn't any proof that he had listed another bot...

ianh05 · « **Reply #52 on:** September 29, 2012, 03:03:01 AM »

If you are all gonna complain about some non-existent rule I'm gonna be posting everyone's entries as I get them, and no one can change their entries. sound fair?

It's a damn shame because I wanted my coolest AW to be shown in this tournament plus logans update was cooler then his original entry too.

Pwnator · « **Reply #53 on:** September 29, 2012, 03:09:51 AM »

Guys, calm your damn tits.

The host generally doesn't change his entry so as to not look like a bad sport. Changing it mid-signups makes it look like the host is trying to win the tourney by entering another bot. Keep in mind Click did update his flail hammer in BBEANS 4, but those were minor modifications and the general bot design was retained.

Ian's barely had any revision (an axe head instead of a small wedge), so quit bitching about it and just move on.

Cut it out too, Ian. Blowing this whole issue out of proportion just makes you look like a dick.

yoda9726 · « **Reply #54 on:** September 29, 2012, 03:15:38 AM »

While it might not be specifically stated that a host can't change their entry, I take it as implied, myself. There's no other reason to have the host show their bot, other than to keep them from changing it later. The host can gain too much advantage from seeing all the entrants, then entering a bot that's going to work well against a majority of the entrants. That's also why I make Ogre make his bot before I show him any other entrant. Granted, a host is slightly at a disadvantage by having to show their entry while nobody else does, but really it's not that big of a deal. If someone entered a bot specifically to beat the host bot, they're probably not going to do to well against the rest.

Personally, the rule (implied or explicit) doesn't bother me in the slightest. I don't ever want to win my own tournament anyway. If I do, I do, it happens. But I'd rather it be another entry that wins. So, any disadvantage I gain from this is just fine by me.

As far as I'm concerned, you're right. It isn't specifically a rule, so you technically can change it. up to you.

My two cents for a one cent price.

ianh05 · « **Reply #55 on:** September 29, 2012, 03:30:33 AM »

Quote from: Pwnator on September 29, 2012, 03:09:51 AM

Guys, calm your damn tits.

The host generally doesn't change his entry so as to not look like a bad sport. Changing it mid-signups makes it look like the host is trying to win the tourney by entering another bot. Keep in mind Click did update his flail hammer in BBEANS 4, but those were minor modifications and the general bot design was retained.

Ian's barely had any revision (an axe head instead of a small wedge), so quit bitching about it and just move on.

Cut it out too, Ian. Blowing this whole issue out of proportion just makes you look like a dick.

My original entry was toy drumset 2, not the original downward spiral though. I'll switch my entry back however logan can keep his changed.

I'm not trying to be like that, but it really has annoyed me that everyone seems to be against me on this. No one has seen the points I've made and no one has quoted this rule that I'm apparently breaking.

I don't want to win my own tournament, I never have I just want to host a fun AW tournament with some new designs and to show off an amazing new arena that trovaner has built specifically for this tournament. If the host has to show his entry then hosts will never win a tournament again.

If you want a fair playing field trust the hosts, we have been doing this for years after all and the current rules means that ANYONE ELSE who enters can change their entry just to beat the host.

Quote from: yoda9726 on September 29, 2012, 03:15:38 AM

While it might not be specifically stated that a host can't change their entry, I take it as implied, myself. There's no other reason to have the host show their bot, other than to keep them from changing it later.

As far as I'm concerned, you're right. It isn't specifically a rule, so you technically can change it. up to you.

That rule is only there as far as we are all concerned is to prevent the host cheating, however I have stated that ANYONE can change/update their entry this weekend if they wished to do so. I had already posted my entry for all to see and only logan so far chose to update/change his entry. So I could change it but I have to show it or what?

Nope I don't want to annoy people by making it seem like I'm exploiting a loophole so I'm still changing it back to toy drumset 2.

G.K. · « **Reply #56 on:** September 29, 2012, 05:31:25 AM »

I am unaware of any rule stopping you from changing your entry. NFX and I will need to come to a concrete ruling over it though for the future.

Squirrel_Monkey · « **Reply #57 on:** September 29, 2012, 05:36:54 AM »

If there is no rule then it is fine. I was under the impression that it was written somewhere, in fact the wording was more like "Hosts must show their entry before accepting other entries."

G.K. · « **Reply #58 on:** September 29, 2012, 06:46:21 AM »

yes, but that doesn't say he can't change it. We will be clarifying the rule.

ianh05 · « **Reply #59 on:** September 29, 2012, 06:17:09 PM »

Any more interest in this? I noticed S_M posted an AW in his showcase, does anyone know if he wants to enter? you all still have 4 days to enter I would love to get more entries, I will keep sign-ups open if there is more interest though.