Author Topic: General Tournament Discussion (Read 142405 times)

playzooki · « **Reply #620 on:** June 23, 2014, 01:33:46 PM »

stock

KOS · « **Reply #621 on:** June 23, 2014, 01:34:06 PM »

I'd enter the stock one.

Natster-104 · « **Reply #622 on:** June 23, 2014, 01:38:49 PM »

3 for stock
1 for dsl - s
0 for IRL

right, going in favour of stock atm
anyone else?

BTW, I hope to start this tournament within this week, so I need as many votes as possible

Naryar · « **Reply #623 on:** June 23, 2014, 01:54:05 PM »

There should be a stock SHW tournament... last time we had one it avorted.

Would be nice to see what people will build. Despite the winner being either a HS or a popup (we know how stock tournaments work now), it will be nice to open a new metagame competitively.

Also stock UHW, totally legit. It will probably burn four CPU's in the process of being filmed though.

Wacky Bob · « **Reply #624 on:** June 23, 2014, 01:57:06 PM »

Quote from: Naryar on June 23, 2014, 01:54:05 PM

There should be a stock SHW tournament

I would definitely enter this since my Stock SHW challenge with KOS never happened.

TommyProductionsInc · « **Reply #625 on:** June 23, 2014, 01:57:53 PM »

How about a replica tournament?

Natster-104 · « **Reply #626 on:** June 23, 2014, 02:02:05 PM »

Quote from: TommyProductionsInc on June 23, 2014, 01:57:53 PM

How about a replica tournament?

There's not really a point tbh IMO

TommyProductionsInc · « **Reply #627 on:** June 23, 2014, 02:05:32 PM »

Quote from: Natster-104 on June 23, 2014, 02:02:05 PM

Quote from: TommyProductionsInc on June 23, 2014, 01:57:53 PM
How about a replica tournament?
There's not really a point tbh IMO

Well, we're all entitled to our own opinions, so here's mine:
1: It's something we haven't done in a while.
2: It's not about winning, but making the best replica.
3: NOSTALGIA!
I rest my case.

nicsan2009 · « **Reply #628 on:** June 23, 2014, 02:06:53 PM »

Do it! I was thinking about running a replica tourney myself until I decided to do stock. I'll enter a replica tourney for sure.

Mecha · « **Reply #629 on:** June 23, 2014, 02:07:07 PM »

I might enter if you hosted one

TommyProductionsInc · « **Reply #630 on:** June 23, 2014, 02:09:11 PM »

Quote from: Mechadino on June 23, 2014, 02:07:07 PM

I might enter if you hosted one

If I could get my recording software to work, and figure out some other stuff, I'll do it.
Just remember, I'm also a busy guy.
(Ok, we ALL are, though I'm not that cut out to run a tournament YET.)

cephalopod · « **Reply #631 on:** June 23, 2014, 05:04:51 PM »

If it's about making the best replica why not make a Contest rather than Tournament?
That way everyone can vote for the best and that's that :P

Mecha · « **Reply #632 on:** June 23, 2014, 05:22:37 PM »

Personally I think it would be better if it played out like a regular tournament but you gave an award to the "most accurate" rep once it ended.

El Chickenado · « **Reply #633 on:** June 23, 2014, 06:37:12 PM »

Quote from: Craaig on June 23, 2014, 05:04:51 PM

If it's about making the best replica why not make a Contest rather than Tournament?
That way everyone can vote for the best and that's that :P

^
I Completly disagree
this should be done
but as an award
an actual tournament would be great

cephalopod · « **Reply #634 on:** June 23, 2014, 07:12:02 PM »

If you completely disagree, may I hear your reasons?
Replica tournaments have been run before but the winners are rarely fair because it basically comes down to whoever optimizes their bot best for ra2, which generally means being less faithful to the original.

El Chickenado · « **Reply #635 on:** June 23, 2014, 07:55:22 PM »

Quote from: Craaig on June 23, 2014, 07:12:02 PM

If you completely disagree, may I hear your reasons?
Replica tournaments have been run before but the winners are rarely fair because it basically comes down to whoever optimizes their bot best for ra2, which generally means being less faithful to the original.

which is why you set a quality limit
it doesnt matter as long as the replicas look good and can
to an extent
fight eachother

Naryar · « **Reply #636 on:** June 24, 2014, 09:27:31 AM »

lol setting a quality limit ? now we must build sh!tty bots on purpose ? what

oh, wait, IRL

El Chickenado · « **Reply #637 on:** June 24, 2014, 10:10:54 AM »

Quote from: Naryar on June 24, 2014, 09:27:31 AM

lol setting a quality limit ? now we must build sh!tty bots on purpose ? what

oh, wait, IRL

no ,
I mean high quality replicas
meaning people who build a replica to win the tournament and make a low quality replica because of it cant enter
for example
make a tornado(season 4) rep
make a red box but razors on the front
rejected
but a skin on it and make it look like the actual tornado over making it be effective
accepted

Shield · « **Reply #638 on:** June 24, 2014, 10:46:53 AM »

Quote from: El Chickenado on June 24, 2014, 10:10:54 AM

Quote from: Naryar on June 24, 2014, 09:27:31 AM
lol setting a quality limit ? now we must build sh!tty bots on purpose ? what

oh, wait, IRL
no ,
I mean high quality replicas
meaning people who build a replica to win the tournament and make a low quality replica because of it cant enter
for example
make a tornado(season 4) rep
make a red box but razors on the front
rejected
but a skin on it and make it look like the actual tornado over making it be effective
accepted

expecting irl bots to be as competitive as dsl-s or stock is like trying to get it to rain naked ladies ain't happening in a long time bub.

IRL is meant to look aesthetically pleasing, though there are some bots out there who are fairly combat effective, they usually don't look as good as they should, and look like a plastic box with a dual perm with beta hammers on it. Tournaments for them are fine and dandy and all, but which bot is going to win, the bar spinner bot that barely passes irl or the flipper bot that looks like something straight out of Robot Wars?

cephalopod · « **Reply #639 on:** June 24, 2014, 11:04:23 AM »

This is the thing, the last replica tournaments I recall (Replica Wars) were before IRL was even a thing - and since then people have been striving to push the limits on what they can get away with. It wouldn't be about making a decent replica. Even if you put checks on stuff, things like Shield described will still happen.