General Tournament Discussion

[MassimoV]

I think there was a problem with Avalanche in Terror Twisters. That's why we have that rule.

[ianh05]

Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.

[cephalopod]

Okay, you mentioned Click.

Let's look at BBEANS6 - he entered Bisector. Easily one of the coolest designs there. Apart from Blood Orange. I'm joking..
But yeah, it's plain to see he didn't enter to win, as much as show off an AWESOME new bot. I think, anyway.

[HurricaneAndrew]

Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.

Avalanche has never been a troll. He was a n00b, but hasn't been for at least two years.


And here we go again with "I'm special 'cause my name is purple."

[ianh05]

Okay, you mentioned Click.

Let's look at BBEANS6 - he entered Bisector. Easily one of the coolest designs there. Apart from Blood Orange. I'm joking..
But yeah, it's plain to see he didn't enter to win, as much as show off an AWESOME new bot. I think, anyway.

He always enters something cool, to say he wouldn't want to see his new bot do well is just stupid though, that's my problem... some of us tournament hosts actually build bots for our own tournaments just like everyone else to see how well they do, for us to be forced to show our entries when no one else needs to is just unfair.

Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.

Avalanche has never been a troll. He was a n00b, but hasn't been for at least two years.

And here we go again with "I'm special 'cause my name is purple."

Where do you get that from? I'm sorry if I want a fair chance in my own tournaments instead of just saying "here's my bot, build one to beat it".

[090901]

this rule makes it near impossible for me and other hosts to win anything.

How does it make it impossible for you to win anything?

I'm sorry if I want a fair chance in my own tournaments instead of just saying "here's my bot, build one to beat it".

Yes, because all 14/31 other people who entered are going to try to build a robot just to beat your robot. I came in 2nd in my own tourney despite the fact I showed my robot and it was a popup. Oh, and instead of getting HS with bottom armour that can kill Popups, I got a lot of Popups

[HurricaneAndrew]

Okay, you mentioned Click.

Let's look at BBEANS6 - he entered Bisector. Easily one of the coolest designs there. Apart from Blood Orange. I'm joking..
But yeah, it's plain to see he didn't enter to win, as much as show off an AWESOME new bot. I think, anyway.

He always enters something cool, to say he wouldn't want to see his new bot do well is just stupid though, that's my problem... some of us tournament hosts actually build bots for our own tournaments just like everyone else to see how well they do, for us to be forced to show our entries when no one else needs to is just unfair.

Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.

Avalanche has never been a troll. He was a n00b, but hasn't been for at least two years.

And here we go again with "I'm special 'cause my name is purple."

Where do you get that from? I'm sorry if I want a fair chance in my own tournaments instead of just saying "here's my bot, build one to beat it".

Good job contradicting yourself in a single post.



The rule is there to prevent abuse. The rules apply to everybody. Past tournament hosts won't get special treatment.

[ianh05]

this rule makes it near impossible for me and other hosts to win anything.

How does it make it impossible for you to win anything?

Let's say I enter a popup weak against horizontal spinners then everyone else enters a HS... sure it's not likely but neither is 1 host finding a way to beat many different bot types.

Okay, you mentioned Click.

Let's look at BBEANS6 - he entered Bisector. Easily one of the coolest designs there. Apart from Blood Orange. I'm joking..
But yeah, it's plain to see he didn't enter to win, as much as show off an AWESOME new bot. I think, anyway.

He always enters something cool, to say he wouldn't want to see his new bot do well is just stupid though, that's my problem... some of us tournament hosts actually build bots for our own tournaments just like everyone else to see how well they do, for us to be forced to show our entries when no one else needs to is just unfair.

Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.

Avalanche has never been a troll. He was a n00b, but hasn't been for at least two years.

And here we go again with "I'm special 'cause my name is purple."

Where do you get that from? I'm sorry if I want a fair chance in my own tournaments instead of just saying "here's my bot, build one to beat it".

Good job contradicting yourself in a single post.

The rule is there to prevent abuse. The rules apply to everybody. Past tournament hosts won't get special treatment.

I don't see how I contradicted myself... I want to see how my bots fair without anyone getting the chance to see "my hand" before it's played. Nice job avoiding the question of where you got the "I'm special cause my name is purple" thing from though.

The tournaments took years before some idiot abused his hosting rights, I don't give it too long until others start entering bots to beat the host for lols.

[Conraaa]

The system as it stands is perfectly fine. Realistically, the smallest bracket in a tourney is 8 robots. Even at this size the odds are you won't face the hosts robot. So trying to counter it would probably be pointless.

Conraaa won his tournament.

Yep, Home and Away. I found it slightly embarrasing, admittedly. Which is why I went complete form over function with Jack Daniels in my next tournament after that. I'm still proud of Team Postal Service.

And as for hosts entering their own tournament? After saying the above, i'm fine with it. If we're trusting them to host a fair tournament with our robots, then we're in turn trusting them not to rig it. I can't speak for other tourney hosts, but I host tourneys i'd like to enter myself. So I enter them.

So the new host must show entry rule has caused myself to suggest a couple of new rules:

-The host can change/update their entry but must allow everyone else the option to change/update theirs and show the update/change in their topic before anyone else sends in their updates.
-The host is to post pictures of all entries as they receive them. (possibly in a constantly updated splash?)

I believe this clears up the update/change rule while allowing the host to be on more even grounds to everyone else.

I do not like these 2 rules in the slightest.

You seem to be forgetting the host has access to an ai'd version of every entrants robot. Which is a luxury none of the other competitors have.  For a hypothetical situation, let's presume we have Mr S.Cumbag of Scunthorpe hosting a tourament, this man is our worst case scenario and all he wants is to win. He could easily have a quick test match against everyone, modify to suit accordingly, and then yell "I CHANGED MY BOT YOU CAN UPDATE YOURS TOO" to start the process over again. That's not even ground, it's like mind reading in a game of Rock Paper Scissors.

Anonimity is a luxury in tournaments; you can sneakily send a bot in to the host and not reveal it to anyone. And no one is forcing you to showcase it. If you have a live splash then whoever enters last has a clear advantage as they know what to expect, and what to counter. Albeit not as much of an advantage as the host has under your system.

You know, it's much easier to just repeat the match until your robot wins, rather than try and move for a rule change.

[HurricaneAndrew]

I get it from this.

Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.

Avalanche has been a contributor for the past two years if not longer. You're trying to say you're better than him and that rule shouldn't apply.

[ianh05]

I get it from this.

Avalanche is a troll, other tournament hosts shouldn't have to suffer because of him especially if they have hosted other tournaments.

Avalanche has been a contributor for the past two years if not longer. You're trying to say you're better than him and that rule shouldn't apply.

Sorry but if he did what was mentioned and is the cause of this rule he clearly trolled all other entries. I still don't get how you see me being an elitist from that post...

[ty4er]

and how many people have sent bots just to counter the host? quite a few other people showcase their bots and dont seem to care. plus having a bot to counter just one or two bots in a whole tournament is a bloody stupid idea anyway

[ianh05]

Then why is the host forced to show his entry when countering is so hard? I mean damn if you all want to be paranoid about the host cheating just think:

1. He could rig the brackets and give himself the best draw.
2. He could keep recording the matches until he wins.

With the above points I say all tournament hosts should be banned from entering their own tournaments.

[Conraaa]

Then why is the host forced to show his entry when countering is so hard? I mean damn if you all want to be paranoid about the host cheating just think:

1. He could rig the brackets and give himself the best draw.
2. He could keep recording the matches until he wins.

With the above points I say all tournament hosts should be banned from entering their own tournaments.

On the flip side, if countering is so hard, then why do you have a problem showing your robot off?

[HurricaneAndrew]

Then why is the host forced to show his entry when countering is so hard? I mean damn if you all want to be paranoid about the host cheating just think:

1. He could rig the brackets and give himself the best draw.
2. He could keep recording the matches until he wins.

With the above points I say all tournament hosts should be banned from entering their own tournaments.

He could... As long as the bots were close enough in a competitive sense. You can't have a HW popup with two razors and make it look like it beat a 36HS...

[ianh05]

Then why is the host forced to show his entry when countering is so hard? I mean damn if you all want to be paranoid about the host cheating just think:

1. He could rig the brackets and give himself the best draw.
2. He could keep recording the matches until he wins.

With the above points I say all tournament hosts should be banned from entering their own tournaments.

On the flip side, if countering is so hard, then why do you have a problem showing your robot off?

Because countering one bot is easier then countering many, so why have the rule? Give it time and you will see, as I said before it took many years for someone to abuse the "host seeing all other entries" cheat.

[ty4er]

so if the host cant show their entries, does that mean nobody else can show their entries before either to make it fair? thats banning people from showcasing bots and gl with that

i dont see why you find it a big deal showing your entry anyway. hosts have the whole tournament so surely they wouldnt care if their entry is shown

[ianh05]

on the flip side why is it such a big deal then to show entries as they are received in an updated splash and keep in mind some of you have said it would be unfair for them...?

2. How is posting pics of the robots when you receive them even close to being fair? Whoever sends in their bot first is at a huge disadvantage.

[cephalopod]

Because someone could wait 'til last minute, see what the majority entries are like, and enter an effective counter to possibly a lot of the bots.

[Fracture]

We always place complete trust in tournament hosts; that's why we still allow them to enter the tournament even with control of the brackets and videos. In return, they need to show their own entries because it's simply the right thing to do; it's an honour system we have going. Ian's right in saying that the fairest method would be to ban all hosts from their own tournaments, but then it's not nearly as fun for them. Hosts do what they do because it's how things are handled around here...it's been that way for years and even with all your fair justifications, I think you're going to have a hard time changing it, ian.