Father and Son Tournament 3 - SBV

[yugitom]

Honestly don't know where the "If a bot isn't displaying controlled movement it's considered immobile" rule went seeming as Conraa's bot were both upside down the entire fight but oh well.

Although I am a stickler for the rules, the rule was mainly made to prevent, as Nary said, spikeballers. Conraaa's HW was not spikeballing (flying around using the spinner, usually whilst dealing damage) as such, more incapacitated with the probability that it would sooner hit a wall and self-right than hit another robot and continue to deal damage.

Right, here're the grudge matches I have so far:
Daddy Champion Rumble
Son Champion Rumble
Rumble (chosen from those that most impressed me in the tournament that didn't get into the final 4.)
Ghost vs The Mistake
Ghast vs The Thing That Should Not Be (in the DSL Tournament Arena)
Lime Loaf and Lemon Bread vs Mega Metallicus and Mini Metallicus
Machete and Pen Knife vs I'm Hungry and Hi Hungry, I'm Dad
Machete and Pen Knife vs Jousting Knight and Squire
Hurricane and Twister vs Cards Against Humanity and Apples to Apples

Any more before I record and edit it all?

[RedAce]

If you don't mind this, then how about my F&S 1 & 2 Entries against my F&S 3 Entries?

[yugitom]

If you don't mind this, then how about my F&S 1 & 2 Entries against my F&S 3 Entries?

Added to the list.

[Conraaa]

Finally got around to watching all of these.

Round 1:
Lime Loaf and Lemon Bread: DAD STOP WHAT ARE YOU DOING

Round 2:
Jousting Knight and Squire are dangerous
Death Warrent & Pink Slip vs Lightning and Rolling Thunder: Well that was fun wasn't it? The attack of the little robots. Lightning was just gently tapping Death Warrant until it died.
Acid Thunder and Acid Cloud vs Black and Yellow: Beyblades go! I think Acid Cloud could be more of a liability, it can't seem to flip right half the time.
Invincible 2 and Very Much not Invincible vs RTL EVO and RTL EVL Lite: OK The lightweights seem to be more like glorified doorstops in this tournament. RTL is Dangerous.
Machete and Pen KNife vs Welcome To Jackass HW/LW: Still waiting for alightweight to land in the BBEANS bladr box. WTJ HW realised his people needed him.
Betamax Quarter and Betaminus Bis vs I'm Hungry and Hi Hungry I'm Dad: Whoever made the wedged drums is a technical genius and deserved more recognition. Seriously though i'm very happy with how that match went. Slightly worried if I end up against a wedge though.
Cards Against Humanity and Apples to Apples vs Sleek 2 and Sluck 2: Very convincing win from team board games.
The Thing That Should Not Be and The Mistake vs Ghast and Ghost:The HW hammer is the most beautiful havok bomb. Also what was the code spaghetti in the top left? Ghast and Ghost were very unlucky not to win that one.

Round 3:
Jousting Knight and Squire vs Rolling Thunder and Lightning: Teamwork makes the dreamwork.
Acid Thunder and Acid Cloud vs RTL EVO and RTL EVO Lite: No real surprise here. RTL EVO Lite just had to wait for his father to get the belt.
Machete and Pen Knife vs I'm Hungry and Hi Hungry I'm Dad: Proving once again why Britain used to have an empire. Seriously though I was lucky that I had just enough movement while upside down.
Cards Against Humanity and Apples to Apples vs The Thing That sHould Not Be and The Mistake: Ok I completely disagree. It's hard to show controlled movement when you are being manhandled like that.

Semi Finals:
Jousting Knight and Squire vs RTL EVO and RTL EVO Lite: I only just noticed Jousting Knight's srimech.
I'm Hungry and Hi Hungry I'm Dad vs Cards Against Humanity and Apples to Apples: Well that was clinical. Not looking forward to the final though.

Playoff:
RTL and RTL EVO Lite vs Cards Against Humanity and Apples to Apples: The OHKO on Apples to Apples was very satisfying.

Final:
Jousting Knight and Squire vs I'm Hungry and Hi Hungry I'm Dad: He punts my son out, I punt his to the moon. GG Jousting Knight and Squire. Very good throughout. I'm happy to have come second.

[yugitom]

Cards Against Humanity and Apples to Apples vs The Thing That sHould Not Be and The Mistake: Ok I completely disagree. It's hard to show controlled movement when you are being manhandled like that.

Did you read what I said about that or do you disagree with that, as well?

Final:
Jousting Knight and Squire vs I'm Hungry and Hi Hungry I'm Dad: He punts my son out, I punt his to the moon. GG Jousting Knight and Squire. Very good throughout. I'm happy to have come second.

I found that quite amusing. It's like the dads were saying "let's get the small fry out of here, it's time for the dads to rumble." Congrats on coming second.

[Conraaa]

Cards Against Humanity and Apples to Apples vs The Thing That sHould Not Be and The Mistake: Ok I completely disagree. It's hard to show controlled movement when you are being manhandled like that.

Did you read what I said about that or do you disagree with that, as well?

Final:
Jousting Knight and Squire vs I'm Hungry and Hi Hungry I'm Dad: He punts my son out, I punt his to the moon. GG Jousting Knight and Squire. Very good throughout. I'm happy to have come second.

I found that quite amusing. It's like the dads were saying "let's get the small fry out of here, it's time for the dads to rumble." Congrats on coming second.

To me a robot using it's weapon while being under the control of another robot does not count as spikeballing. A prime example would be Me VS S_M in Battlebots way back when. He was a drum doing damage to me while I was pushing him around.

An important part of spikeballing to me is if you backed off and left the robot alone, would it continue to be uncontrollable? I would argue in the case of TTTSHB it would regain control very quickly.

Regardless. Thanks for hosting, great tournament.

[yugitom]

Cards Against Humanity and Apples to Apples vs The Thing That sHould Not Be and The Mistake: Ok I completely disagree. It's hard to show controlled movement when you are being manhandled like that.

Did you read what I said about that or do you disagree with that, as well?

Final:
Jousting Knight and Squire vs I'm Hungry and Hi Hungry I'm Dad: He punts my son out, I punt his to the moon. GG Jousting Knight and Squire. Very good throughout. I'm happy to have come second.

I found that quite amusing. It's like the dads were saying "let's get the small fry out of here, it's time for the dads to rumble." Congrats on coming second.

To me a robot using it's weapon while being under the control of another robot does not count as spikeballing. A prime example would be Me VS S_M in Battlebots way back when. He was a drum doing damage to me while I was pushing him around.

An important part of spikeballing to me is if you backed off and left the robot alone, would it continue to be uncontrollable? I would argue in the case of TTTSHB it would regain control very quickly.

Regardless. Thanks for hosting, great tournament.

Although I'd agree with you on that point, I have to work around certain RA2 limitations. If it were real people controlling these robots, perhaps RedAce would have backed off to prevent his robot from being destroyed in the process. If he didn't, that's his fault but, in this case, it isn't, it's RA2's fault. It could be my fault that I didn't hook up the AI to Omni(ram) but it wasn't reasonably foreseeable, I believe, that his robots would sit under a hammer which would constantly be in a position to hit it in an attempt to self-right. As I saw it, CAH and son won due to the fact that the AI doesn't know how to back off and was unknowingly being destroyed in the process, which is a feature of spikeballing. Also, using reason and fair judgement, I believe CAH and son would have won if both teams were controlled by humans.

Regardless, thanks :)

[Naryar]

ok, here's my opinion on the bots.

GK's : Despite being not very original I like them. They look badass and slick, and that's the main point of IRL. I wish this could have gone farther.

El Chicken : Eh, a frontal flipper placed so high... i'm not sure. Also there appears to be some random stuff placed there for no point. However, it is good to see a flipper that isn't like the others.

Kurt : Boring. As expected, a 4 mag on a LW on an arena with walls that low = you are already dead.

Scrapyard : Another ripoff, but it looks cool. Still not much of a fighter though, even for IRL standards. The LW is average tho.

Lighning S. : One of my favorite bots. It's not only a turret hammer, but it also has spikes and a badass flail tail. The LW is sweet as well. Also that winning against a VS was a pretty awesome moment.

S_M : I guess ? It's a pretty standard nightmare vs. It has a decent color scheme.

Conraa : A non-weapon spam drum which is nice.  Those nonprotected external motors, though...

Maka : It looks cool. Still weak, however.

Mouldy : A flipper panel as a wedge ? Seriously ? Yeah, it's weak. Also this heavy plow at the back.

Noodle: Another hazard clone. No effort on the skin = 2/10. I however like the use of multiple wheels, i think it makes the bot more interesting.

TommyProductions : Weapon spam hs. Another one trying to win irl at all costs. Seriously, yugi banned beater walls but doesn't mind 60kg of weapons on an IRL LW ?

Avalanche : A manly bot from Avalanche ! It's too bad it lost so early, I would have liked to see that ram stuff OOTA.

helloface : Tryhard gutripper that isn't even IRL (no weapon supports, no motor protection). How did this go into an irl tournament ?

RedAce : Another non-weapon spam drum. I guess it is OK, although I fail to see a resemblance between names for father and son.

Elementos : Weak. Also there's this issue of exposed bsg... It's not especially interesting either.

KingofKings : I guess it works. The LW is shoddily built however.

[RedAce]

RedAce : Another non-weapon spam drum. I guess it is OK, although I fail to see a resemblance between names for father and son.

Since the father was an adult,  it plays a game made for his age, and since the son was a kid, he would play a game made for his age.  I just went with that theme to see if I can get a laugh out of if or two.  And I agree.  I wish I could've made a better design instead of the cop-out IRL drum design.

[El Chickenado]

id like to be in the rumble but have no grudge matches.

[Naryar]

I'd like to fight Helloface.

[yugitom]

Right then, all the grudge matches will be done and dusted tomorrow, hopefully (when I have the time.) As soon as the grudge matches are done, I'm on to awards. The winners of these awards and honourable mentions will be chosen by me.

[KingofKings696]

can you put my original entries that were denied against the winner think theyd still lose but hey gotta see how Id of faired.

Also I do agree my drumbots were kinda messy but what can you do in 15 minutes of trying to throw a couple bots together. Also I cant believe my son won that round for me after I got my hw counted out due to being stuck on the other son.

[yugitom]

I'm afraid I won't put that particular match in the video because the bots were rejected and didn't enter any of the F&S tournaments, however, I can tell you who would win later if I do a quick match between them.

Also, I really liked your HW and LW, I don't really see it as messy but I can kind of see it.

[KingofKings696]

How bout redace vs my bots see which drumbot would win I assume his as it has more weapons and all but Im curious.

[yugitom]

Sorry it took so long:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYMOa87yvIA&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=TheYuGiTom#
Hope everyone enjoyed! I shall be making an Awards thread post-haste.

Really sorry, King, your request didn't make it in the video. I must have just genuinely forgot amidst all the editing (I didn't do it all in one go, as I usually do.) If you still want to see a match between you and RedAce, I'd be happy to do so and upload it later, but, for now, it'd be a hassle to squeeze it into the final video. Again, sorry about that.