Clash of the Titans - Splash, Brackets, and Videos

[Somebody]

The only thing required to be realistic is the bot. I have never seen anyone say anything about the arenas.

And didnt I tell you guys you would not like the tactics?

[Little lost bot]

The match was VERY interesting. I like the idea of Hide's tactics, but I do think they clash with the realistic rule, what with driving through the blade shaft and all. I mean, if we have to build bots under the Realistic Rule, should the same thing not apply to arenas?

Putting it that way I do have to consider that to.

[Scorpion]

The thing is, this is probably more of a unique occurence, and it's a flaw with the arena, so it should be open to use or abuse.
Surely it wouldn't be hard for a patch to be made anyway if people want to use that arena with hazards on for tournaments.

[NFX]

I'm guessing it wouldn't be too difficult to add collision meshes to an arena. Kinda depends on whether or not one of the Arenamodders is willing to help out. Nevertheless,

it was a very clever little trick played by Clickbeetle, but...in my view, it directly contradicts the Realistic Rule, so I don't think it should be allowed in future tournaments.

[Scorpion]

Future tournaments, yes, but in this tournament, click should be commended for his cunning.

[yoda9726]

Future tournaments, yes, but in this tournament, click should be commended for his cunning.

 Agreed.  He used the arena to it's fullest advantage, as any of us could've.  He's basically made the most powerful Bar HS ever. And I applaud him.  However, I do think this should be the last tourney it's allowed in.  Otherwise, any future one in this arena will become a battle of this type, and those designed to destroy it

[NFX]

I agree. Well done to Click in this tournament, but it's a bit like Narmour. Shouldn't be allowed in future due to unrealism.

[Clickbeetle]

Yes, I actually agree that hiding under the blade should be banned in future tournaments.  It's one of those things that's only good the first time, like a joke or a mystery novel.


I actually didn't know that there was no collision on the center post until I tried driving into it (actually I did know from my early flat DSL bot Dead End, which some old veterans may have remembered, but I forgot).  I was originally planning just to hide next to the post which would have been completely realistic.  The lack of collision there just sweetens the deal.


It's not an unbeatable strategy though.  Slow bots won't get flung OOTA as easily, so something like Redstone Compass or Crocodile or LOL could outweapon Seek, then wait out Hide and either destroy it when it comes out and attacks, or win by points.  Hence why I said I was worried about Redstone Compass.


Looks like I've got 1002 Problems next though... this is precisely the kind of bot that will have trouble with Hide.


(Congrats to GRW for winning his first fight though.  1002 Problems is tougher than it looks.)


Edit: *actually looks at brackets*  Oh, I guess I get Yoda... that's going to be considerably more difficult.  I must hope that Tiamat is distracted by Hide at some point, so Seek can flank it or perhaps Tiamat will get flung OOTA.

[123savethewhales]

bullsh** lost, stop watching after the first 10 seconds.  I guess that's that.

Couldn't tell how the arena was prior to entering (from that top view I thought the walls are higher than that), and didn't know those blade is 1 hit oota or wouldn't have entered at all.  Makes me feel stupid for even entering under those conditions.

I am surprise Click even made hide so big though.

[JoeBlo]

epic strategy is epic

realistic or not I think its the first case of ninja'ing the arena hazards as your own weapon :P

[Naryar]

epic strategy is epic

realistic or not I think its the first case of ninja'ing the arena hazards as your own weapon :P

You sure BBEANS5 didn't do this already ? Ask Sage :P

[JoeBlo]

but it wasnt AI'd to ignore the opponent and hide under a weapon, out of reach from the opponent

[Clickbeetle]

bullsh** lost, stop watching after the first 10 seconds.  I guess that's that.

Couldn't tell how the arena was prior to entering (from that top view I thought the walls are higher than that), and didn't know those blade is 1 hit oota or wouldn't have entered at all.  Makes me feel stupid for even entering under those conditions.

I am surprise Click even made hide so big though.

Admit it, you would have done the same strategy if you thought of it. :P


I was surprised though, that Steel Grinder got flung OOTA so easily.  In testing, an OOTA only happened when a fast bot rams the blade head-on at full speed, and sometimes not even then.  I suspect there was Havok at work here as well.  I've noticed that bots tend to fly further and physics in general are more wonky when the game is lagging, and the game was definitely lagging in this case.  I would be interested to know the results of our battle when Fraps isn't running.


And I made Hide big because I thought the rule for multibots would be you lose if 50% of the weight is eliminated, so I made sure to make Hide heavier than Seek.


I thought about entering just a single AW that hid under the blade and never came out, and let all the UHW's commit suicide on the blade... but I didn't want to be TOO cheap and controversial.  At least with Seek out there, the opponent has something to attack and a way to win by points.  And it is actually a UHW.

[JoeBlo]

would have been epically funny to have an AW win an UHW tournament though :P

[123savethewhales]

bullsh** lost, stop watching after the first 10 seconds.  I guess that's that.

Couldn't tell how the arena was prior to entering (from that top view I thought the walls are higher than that), and didn't know those blade is 1 hit oota or wouldn't have entered at all.  Makes me feel stupid for even entering under those conditions.

I am surprise Click even made hide so big though.

Admit it, you would have done the same strategy if you thought of it. :P

It's not about thought.  You just happen to have more information about the Arena than I do.

Yes it is entirely my fault for judging the arena by the picture and not actually go in to check.  I assumed the metal part was a wall.  Have I know it's an open arena with OOTA blade I would complain and not enter at all.  At least Joe explicitly explains how his arena works when he made CC4.

With that said, can I please be pulled from the loser's bracket as well?  While I admit that I usually take losing very seriously, this is the kind of losing that's so explicitly frustrating that makes me never want to enter another tournament again.

I was surprised though, that Steel Grinder got flung OOTA so easily.  In testing, an OOTA only happened when a fast bot rams the blade head-on at full speed, and sometimes not even then.  I suspect there was Havok at work here as well.  I've noticed that bots tend to fly further and physics in general are more wonky when the game is lagging, and the game was definitely lagging in this case.  I would be interested to know the results of our battle when Fraps isn't running.


And I made Hide big because I thought the rule for multibots would be you lose if 50% of the weight is eliminated, so I made sure to make Hide heavier than Seek.


I thought about entering just a single AW that hid under the blade and never came out, and let all the UHW's commit suicide on the blade... but I didn't want to be TOO cheap and controversial.  At least with Seek out there, the opponent has something to attack and a way to win by points.  And it is actually a UHW.

I don't see the point in that.  The controversy comes from the arena and other people not knowing about it.

[JoeBlo]

:O I didnt know the arena was any different (I haven't actually watched the videos.. I thought it was just the DSL Blade Arena?)

[123savethewhales]

Yeah it's entirely my fault for not knowing what blade arena is and judge by the picture alone.

[JoeBlo]

so it is the standard DSL Blade Arena ? I dont remember the Blade being powerful enough to oota UHW's

[123savethewhales]

I never played on the blade arena so I won't know, but it did OOTA my bot in 1 hit.  Just watch the first 10 seconds of my match vs click.

[NFX]

That is one of the downsides of a multibot in this tournament. You have the advantage of teamwork and such, but it is MUCH easier for the blade to throw you OOTA, considering there's 2,500kg less for it to throw. The thing is, there's probably going to be a whole bunch of people in the same boat as you in the loser's bracket, maybe you should wait and see how it goes. You might have better luck, perhaps similar to Final Z in BBEANS 6.