Author Topic: BBEANS5 Rules and Registration (Read 58927 times)

JoeCB1991 · « **Reply #220 on:** March 24, 2009, 10:30:56 PM »

I built mine right after Click announced the Tournament, and there was plenty of time to get ready for the Tournament.

I just hope I do well, but I am not very good with Stock [getting better with DSL].

Sage · « **Reply #221 on:** March 24, 2009, 10:37:15 PM »

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And also, who ever suggested that vets get top priority in entrants needs to think. This would allow for better fights, but think of what might happen in an all vet tournament. You might get the same champ many times in a row, the new players would be denied any chance, and soon would defeat the the reason why to host a tournament.

no, it is you who needs to think.

for one, new players have the same chance if one vet is in the ring or if its all vets. doesn't matter.

the same champ many times in a row? what the

? if it's all vets, there would be less of a chance of that happening.

And now to relate to real tournaments in real life. This is the most prestigious tournament on the forum. If it were in real life, you woul have to be invited to something like this, and the only way to do that would be to get attention from winning smaller tourneys. do you think noobs at a sport can just join the olympic team in the olympics? just cause they feel like it? NO. they have to work hard for years to even get the chance of being in the olympics.

same goes for this tournament. vets have been around much longer and are much better at this game. why should the people who have much less expeiriance at the game even be allowed to compete when the good builders are spending time making good bots?

the deadline was march 31st. thats when people planned. a good vet, unless they have a bot ready and made, will spend all the time he can on a good bot for BBEANS.

We don't want to watch SFTW fights! sure, it's funny the first time, but it gets old. we need epic, cool, fun-to-watch fights where you dont know whats gonna happen.

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40757 · « **Reply #222 on:** March 24, 2009, 10:41:18 PM »

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Think everyone, you had two months in advance, that is plenty of time to build something, test it, and enter it.
I managed to get something in because I used the time wisely, I had built at least four bots in advance (Tempest, Crash.EXE, Flash.EXE, and SurgicalStrike) plus some other bots I built. There was also a reason why so many people had entered just as registration started, they knew that spots to be in would not last long.

And also, who ever suggested that vets get top priority in entrants needs to think. This would allow for better fights, but think of what might happen in an all vet tournament. You might get the same champ many times in a row, the new players would be denied any chance, and soon would defeat the the reason why to host a tournament.

Click said himself that he would need about 13 people to expand the time limit. We have already 11 in about one day.

SpyGuy · « **Reply #223 on:** March 24, 2009, 10:50:57 PM »

R1885, in those two months (actually, the past six months), I have been online eight to nine hours straight a day, seven days a week, filling out applications and hunting down possible job leads. I have been busy on the phone fighting off my credit card companies, who seem to think that I am now a bad credit risk because I was laid off in August, and apparently am unable to pay my bills, even though I have never missed a payment. I've been watching my savings and checking accounts get lower and lower each month, and will soon have to close a 35-year-old bank account because I will have nothing left in it by approximately the end of May. My car has been parked in the garage for the past four months, and doesn't even have current tags or insurance on it, simply because I can no longer afford to keep both it and my truck current at the same time. I already have a couple of my toys up for sale, and can't afford to fix the ones I'm planning on keeping, so they're just sitting in my garage. On the days I am NOT on the computer searching for work, I am working temp jobs, usually very long hours for damn little pay, and by the time I get home, hurting and tired and filthy, the last thing I want to do is even bother getting online, let alone playing a goddamn game!

NOW do you understand that I MAY have had a perfectly valid reason for not getting an entry in on time?

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I'm sorry, I usually don't rant like this. I am under an unbelievable amount of pressure with no relief in sight, and I'm trying to hold it together as best as I can. This is why I said forget it, I'm out - because I have WAY too much to worry about besides wondering if I can get into a tournament or not. I wouldn't wish my situation on anyone.

Sorry ........... I'm sorry .......... I try coming online to escape for a while, not to weigh you guys down with my problems ....

Naryar · « **Reply #224 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:06:14 AM »

@S32: Don't bring more unexperienced newbies into the competition. kthxbai.

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@R0B0: Thanks for support man. You guys should listen to him more !

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I say: dump the competitors (either newbie, regular or vet) with poor robots.

BBEANS should have a minimum quality standard for bots to be accepted.

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EDIT: Will enter something if Click accepts enough entries.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #225 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:13:11 AM »

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I built mine right after Click announced the Tournament, and there was plenty of time to get ready for the Tournament.

I will probably get attacked for being a newbie in this tournament (which seems to make me this websites most hated at the moment) but I started working on my entry when click started the topic "BBEANS5 Plans" which was a month or so before registration was open

Naryar · « **Reply #226 on:** March 25, 2009, 01:58:47 AM »

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I will probably get attacked for being a newbie in this tournament

Not if you enter a decent bot. You're not that bad at stock.

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(which seems to make me this websites most hated at the moment)

Absolutely wrong when you consider guys like S32 or Hydro.

ianh05 · « **Reply #227 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:53:27 AM »

since when has BBEANS been about only the vets and good builders hmm?

most of the robots have been decent in every BBEANS (except maybe BBEANS 1 cause of how inexperienced most were). this tournament gives EVERYONE a chance to send in their own bot and lets them watch it compete against other bots for entertainment and to see how their bots measure up against others.

come on guys..

System32 · « **Reply #228 on:** March 25, 2009, 03:09:20 AM »

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@S32: Don't bring more unexperienced newbies into the competition. kthxbai.

To Give them credit, They had the game when it first came out, and when I posted one of my HW's (Dimond miner) One of them told me about chaining motors. For a buildr who doesn't even know of this site I say that's imperessive.

Naryar · « **Reply #229 on:** March 25, 2009, 03:26:02 AM »

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To Give them credit, They had the game when it first came out, and when I posted one of my HW's (Dimond miner) One of them told me about chaining motors. For a buildr who doesn't even know of this site I say that's imperessive.

Ok then, good idea in fact.

ianh05 · « **Reply #230 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:17:54 AM »

another point i have, you are gonna stir up a lot of trouble if you change who is allowed to enter.. if spinner from the west got to enter its not fair for other inexperienced builders if you change it so only good robots get in.

them: "sorry your entry was denied, reason: not good enough for BBEANS."
you: "wtf? what about that spinner from the west?!"

just won't work...lol

R0B0SH4RK · « **Reply #231 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:18:20 AM »

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I will probably get attacked for being a newbie in this tournament (which seems to make me this websites most hated at the moment)

It's not you I've been talking about. I count six other people that I've never even heard of before. It's them getting in over the vets that bothers me.

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And also, who ever suggested that vets get top priority in entrants needs to think.

That would be me.

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This would allow for better fights, but think of what might happen in an all vet tournament. You might get the same champ many times in a row, the new players would be denied any chance, and soon would defeat the the reason why to host a tournament.

I fail to see your logic behind this point. How does allowing what is probably weaker competition in with just a few powerful bots prevent repeat champions? The desparity in skill between most of the vets is so small that in a tournament situation, it's pretty much negligible. Whereas the disparity between, say Pys and S32 I think we can all agree is huge. If anything, the more even the competition, the less likely a repeat champion will be.

And how would the fights be any better? I don't know about you, but I thought that Layziee vs Iron Spaghetti was much better than Haymaker vs NOS-BOT. Why? Because we knew Pys vs SD could go either way. We knew that Haymaker was going to dismantle NB though, so watching was pretty redundant. The point is that even competition makes for better fights.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #232 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:20:36 AM »

perhaps future tournaments that are high leveled should have a generic "benchmark" robot they must fight in order to qualify or even have qualifying events like BBEANS entry as prizes for other tournaments so it becomes best of the best

ianh05 · « **Reply #233 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:47:20 AM »

if something like this "benchmark" idea were to happen the whole fairness of BBEANS would be destroyed! think about the good builders or bad builders who got to face bots like spinner from the west and got easy wins, their ranking is higher then mine because of it... i should have the same chance to get some easy matches.

want to have a "benchmark" tourney? fine, but don't change BBEANS.

and if you want to compare a robot tournament to anything in real life compare it to robot wars or battlebots.. both had good and bad robots. the Olympics is something very different!

RedSawn · « **Reply #234 on:** March 25, 2009, 06:41:55 AM »

Ya'know, in my opinion, I think we had TOO much time to prepare.

Urjak · « **Reply #235 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:56:23 AM »

You know, in DSL, no offense to the "vets", but their are several non-veterans who are much better at bot building than some of the "vets". And has it ever occured to people that "vets" are just regular people who have some kind of artificial "aura" around them that makes them seem "above" everyone else.

Just thinking.

Naryar · « **Reply #236 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:44:09 PM »

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some kind of artificial "aura" around them that makes them seem "above" everyone else.

AKA well-earned fame.

I think a 64-bot bracket is possible... and that would be awesome.

Let's see... Inf, me, Scrap, Andrew, Starcore, Phlox, Barbie, Harcsa, Silver, Dragonfire, Wham, Urjak, MNB, Sorrow, Frosty, Man Manu, Spyguy, Kill, maybe ACAMS and Goose, Madiaba... the list goes on.

Still, this is Click's choice.

System32 · « **Reply #237 on:** March 25, 2009, 03:54:55 PM »

That's twenty. I think it's enough.

Somebody · « **Reply #238 on:** March 25, 2009, 03:57:57 PM »

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a good vet, unless they have a bot ready and made, will spend all the time he can on a good bot for BBEANS.

If a good vet was smart like all of us "noobs", then the good vet would have started working on their bot when the tourney was announced nearly 2 months ago, and had gotten it in to secure their spot. I spent a month on my bot. It takes nearly 5 minutes of loading to get into the bot lab to look at it. It took me nearly a month and around 7 or 8 revisions, and it was done before registration opened. If a "good vet" really wanted to be in this tourney, then a "good vet" would have built their bot earlier, knowing that it is a prestigious tourney. That it has always been allowed for everybody to compete. That there has been more and more users on the forums lately.

This is not the Olympics. This is a game.

This is not a real life tourney, it is a game.

And in this game, the rules are different than a real life tourney.

Any good vet who didn't get their bot in. It is their fault. They were slow in getting their bot in, and they lost out. It is nobody's fault but theirs. And those "good vet"s or others who didn't make it in need to suck it up and accept that they were too slow. Guys, you had two months. Not working on it during that time is like asking to not compete.

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RedSawn · « **Reply #239 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:02:10 PM »

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If a good vet was smart like all of us "noobs", then the good vet would have started working on their bot when the tourney was announced nearly 2 months ago, and had gotten it in to secure their spot. I spent a month on my bot. It takes nearly 5 minutes of loading to get into the bot lab to look at it. It took me nearly a month and around 7 or 8 revisions, and it was done before registration opened. If a "good vet" really wanted to be in this tourney, then a "good vet" would have built their bot earlier, knowing that it is a prestigious tourney. That it has always been allowed for everybody to compete. That there has been more and more users on the forums lately.

Wow. No wonder why my bots are only SC2 standard. I spent only an hour to a day on a bot.