The showcase of 798

[AlexGRFan97]

Getting better, but I think you could mount the wheels internally and get everything nice and symmetrical.

[090901]

Getting better, but I think you could mount the wheels internally and get everything nice and symmetrical.

Dude what.
Mounting the wheels internally would probably waste more weight than anything else. I assume it's a HW now, so you should probably cut it down to a MW (Just use 1 DDT with 3-4 razors and extra armour on the front instead of 2 DDTs then). Do you turn off Snap To The Grid when you make your chassis? Because right now it really doesn't look like it. Also if you are having trouble rotating normal round extenders I have some in my [shamelessplug] skin pack [/shamelessplug] that have tick marks to help with rotations.

[Naryar]

use round extenders only, pinks are useless on lightweights and up.

needs another black battery. probably needs 4WD HPZ unless you are willing to heavily armor your bot

you can also change these T-extenders to round extenders as well

I think you could mount the wheels internally

bad advice, don't listen to it, mostly because it is a waste of weight and lowers turnspeed as well

[AlexGRFan97]

use round extenders only, pinks are useless on lightweights and up.

needs another black battery. probably needs 4WD HPZ unless you are willing to heavily armor your bot

you can also change these T-extenders to round extenders as well

I think you could mount the wheels internally

bad advice, don't listen to it, mostly because it is a waste of weight and lowers turnspeed as well

Note that I said "you could". In spite of those sacrifices, you would get protection from spinning and ramming weapons. Unless you can prove to me that there is no benefit whatsoever with internal wheels, my point is gonna stay.

[Naryar]

I think you could mount the wheels internally

bad advice, don't listen to it, mostly because it is a waste of weight and lowers turnspeed as well

Note that I said "you could". In spite of those sacrifices, you would get protection from spinning and ramming weapons. Unless you can prove to me that there is no benefit whatsoever with internal wheels, my point is gonna stay.

yes, you may have said "you could" but the point is that he SHOULDN'T.

let me explain more then...

-It's a popup. Protection from rammers and side weapons only matter from the front, because if you are hit from the side you shouldn't be flanked by your enemy. A popup doesn't have side/rear protection because it's a 1v1 specialist design, it's supposed to face your opponent at all times.

If you are building a rumble-only popup one could make the case of a bit of weight being dedicated to side/rear protection, but this isn't the case.

-Wheels being turned inside, or being put closer to each other, will decrease turnspeed (especially the first one). You know what it means against another gutripper, or a HS/SnS ? Or even in a rumble against multiple opponents ?

People have built their popups with outside wheels (or at the very least all wheels facing outwards and at least one pair outside) for quite a while. There's a reason for this. It is for saving weight, which is essential, and it is also for having the greatest turnspeed possible, which is ALSO essential.

I am not saying never build with inside wheels, but it should be kept as a last-ditch or cosmetic choice, and one should know it affects your bot's performance. If you have quite a bit of weight it is FINE to protect your wheels but you generally have better choices.

[markman798]

Had to grow chassis again, added more batteries (maybe too much), it can get under just about anything and popup weapon can sometimes launch enemies in the air. Also somehow works as a rammer too. weighs 757.5

[cephalopod]

There is no way it needs to be that huge. Pack your batteries nice and close together - or even 'stack' them - and you'll be able to save a lot of space and therefore weight for stuff like front armour. Also use the round extenders for weapon mounting, you'll save so much weight.

[Naryar]

Make it less tall (just as tall as you need to make HPZ's fit) remove 3 batteries, put less razors and more armor/drive.

for a popup 5 razors per DDT is the maximum.

[markman798]

My PC broke, I had to get a new one, so now I'm back, and ready to show people more of my bad robots. Anyway, I just improved on this last bot:
The Inside:
I used smaller motors to fit in batteries. It weighs 405, I would build to weight limit if I could fit anything else.

[Tibsy]

Angle motors? Slow popup :/

Don't worry man, I'm learning too.

[NeighImACarrot]

Use HPZtek's instead of RAD's

[Naryar]

wrong weapon shape, it's a popup not a hammer.

too slow, needs HPZtek drive.

too much empty space.

also put the snapper holding the wedge before the weapon DDT's so you don't waste weight on overly long extenders.

[Mr. AS]

If you're making your burst wedge that long you might as well use the 5kg 140cm extender instead of wasting tons of KG on round extenders.

Also, try using eFFe so you can arrange your razors like one of these configurations:

instead of the weird hammer-like shape you're using.

[markman798]

Using all of your advice, I think it's getting pretty good now:
inside:
A better look at the razors:

[cephalopod]

Definitely looks wider than it needs to be

[playzooki]

too tall, and you can stack the black batteries

[NeighImACarrot]

Make it tall enough that the HPZtek's barely fit in height wise.

[Badnik96]

You're getting there at least. I feel like you have a couple too many razors and could use some front armor.