shedRift Robots:

[Naryar]

what drugs are you on i want some

[RpJk]

what drugs are you on i want some

What he said.

[shedRift]

Are there any contests for robots that use the default components but are built outside of the BotLab?  I recently learned how to battery stack.  It is time consuming.  Robots built outside of the BotLab would be more interesting and quicker to make.  It would bring the robots to a new level.

[Sage]

Are there any contests for robots that use the default components but are built outside of the BotLab?  I recently learned how to battery stack.  It is time consuming.  Robots built outside of the BotLab would be more interesting and quicker to make.  It would bring the robots to a new level.

Sometimes BOTM would feature "anything-goes" rules where people could use BFE and AAM to build whatever they wanted. Howver, not enough members are skilled enough for us to host a full fledged contest.

[123savethewhales]

Na way too easy to just make indestructible bots outside of bot lab.  So it wouldn't be much of a fighting contest.

[Kossokei]

however, knowing your exploits in ra2 I wouldn't be surprised if you meant entire robots built from the ground up in a text editor in a way that you couldn't discern them from properly built ones...

[123savethewhales]

however, knowing your exploits in ra2 I wouldn't be surprised if you meant entire robots built from the ground up in a text editor in a way that you couldn't discern them from properly built ones...

You can't tell that something is wrong when nothing breaks after 20 million damage?

Anything connected to the chassis cannot break, that's why caster armor works.  If you build outside of the bot lab with no restrictions, you can just put a tiny chassis inside a black battery so it can never be hit.  Plus you can change chassis armor value up to a million just in case.

[Kossokei]

however, knowing your exploits in ra2 I wouldn't be surprised if you meant entire robots built from the ground up in a text editor in a way that you couldn't discern them from properly built ones...

You can't tell that something is wrong when nothing breaks after 20 million damage?

Anything connected to the chassis cannot break, that's why caster armor works.  If you build outside of the bot lab with no restrictions, you can just put a tiny chassis inside a black battery so it can never be hit.  Plus you can change chassis armor value up to a million just in case.

nono I don't mean that, I mean I wouldn't be surprised if he built a bot in a text editor that would be within regulation (nix the fact that it'd be entirely BFE/AAM) from the ground up.

I'm pretty aware of how limitless you can go with text editing, but I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if he just decided to build a completely legal bot from the ground up completely outside of the botlab

[123savethewhales]

BFE/AAM/Hax Mode/etc, I am sure some people already uses it to save time (ex.  Naryar).  It's just something people don't talk about.

By the end of the day, the bot will still have to convincingly look and function like it came out of the bot lab.  You can't even say "botlab plausible is okay" because then people will just stack every single motor/battery onto a single point.

[System32]

BFE/AAM/Hax Mode/etc, I am sure some people already uses it to save time (ex.  Naryar).  It's just something people don't talk about.

By the end of the day, the bot will still have to convincingly look and function like it came out of the bot lab.  You can't even say "botlab plausible is okay" because then people will just stack every single motor/battery onto a single point.

I'm just going to throw out there that I pretty much trigger the hax mode glitch instinctively rather than spend an hour stacking an anchor into a nifty or more.

So essentially every bot I've submitted with any baseplate stacks at all (Even anchor x anchor and anchor x CB stacks because it somehow takes an hour of trying and retrying for me) after hax mode's release is actually tournament unviable.

[shedRift]

Na way too easy to just make indestructible bots outside of bot lab.  So it wouldn't be much of a fighting contest.

Yes, you would need a few regulations.

[Sage]

Na way too easy to just make indestructible bots outside of bot lab.  So it wouldn't be much of a fighting contest.

Yes, you would need a few regulations.

at that point, why do it at all?

[shedRift]

I am not asking for your support.

Regulations such as:
    1. No components attached directly to the mainframe can be exposed outside of the mainframe.
    2. No mainframe/chassis modification?
    ..

[123savethewhales]

Well, if you feel like coming up with rules, feel free to do so.  Just that "convincingly look and function like it came out of the bot lab" is literally 1 step away from a fully indestructible bot.  Right now a Horizontal Spinner chassis is 1 black battery + 1 blue burst in size, and the bottom is already covered with indestructible casters.  Unless of course you want to go the other direction and add more restrictions instead of less.

[shedRift]

Reread my post, please.  I cannot even understand what you are getting at or trying to argue.  One common point I think I am understanding is a disdain for rules.  What are tournaments like here?  Rule-free?  Are members not proficient in reading the likely simple and few rules?

[Thyrus]

Building stock is serious buissnes

[Kossokei]

Reread my post, please.  I cannot even understand what you are getting at or trying to argue.  One common point I am understanding is disdain for rules.  What are tournaments like here?  Ruleless?  Are members not proficient in reading the likely simple and few rules?

What he means that in competative tournaments we don't allow any sort of BFE/AAM/Sharpie Sniffing because it's too untrustworthy. We don't even run tournaments for bots built outside botlab anymore with the extinction of BOTM.

We do have rules in our tournaments, and the common tone is that we never allow BFE/AAM/Hax mode.

I don't know how to answer your question in any other way.

[shedRift]

Untrustworthy?  Elaborate.  How does one go about checking to make sure nobody is cheating in the usual tournaments?  If anything, it would be more trustworthy, as there are less rules and parts of rules to be broken.

[123savethewhales]

Basically, the "botlab" rule is, we will not allow anything that cannot be done in the bot lab.

We will never know if you actually used the botlab, but we surely know what can and cannot be done there.  Anything deem impossible would need to either provide proof or be rejected.  It is as simple as that.

Each tournament also comes with about 15 or more rules on top of that, depending on the host.

[Kossokei]

Untrustworthy?  Elaborate.  How does one go about checking to make sure nobody is cheating in the usual tournaments?  If anything, it would be more trustworthy, as there are less rules and parts of rules to be broken.

If we took off the No BFE/AAM/Pixie Stick Snorting rule then someone would likely go about building something that breaks the max sphere and has a chassis as small as a pixel with everything stacked on that chassis and 30 casters worth of armor that would be completely indestructable and so no one can beat it. And then someone else builds something similar that no one else can beat that still can't beat the other one. So tournaments become a stalemate far too easily.

It's also far more convenient and quick to just ban BFE on the spot instead of allowing BFE and putting extra rules concerning its use. Although, this has been done before, it's been done on DSL IRL tournaments usually and not anything extremely competitive and even at that, it's extremely extremely limited.