ITT why Goon should be banned

[Goon]

Craaig's patience with GTM has been worn thin over the last couple of years. Even when I was banned, we kept in contact. He would always tell me that no matter how much effort he put into improving this place, GTM continually digressed. One step forward and two steps back, essentially.

Unless he calms down and decides he wants to be here again, I'm gonna say he won't be back for a while.

GTM's "golden age" that some of us older members have fond memories of are long gone and have been for several years. Ask anyone who was around from 2008 to 2011-ish. This place was much more active when it came to showcases, tournaments, and modding, but we still had off-topic discussions and activities. It was a good time to be around. Now... I don't even know what to say about this place.

[The Red Blur]

Sh** me, Craiig's gone. Wow. I didn't think that this would be what stops him. I mean, I get that I didn't help the situation but... Great. Now I feel terrible. Us lot have literally driven a main member away. I think this forum is well and truly dying, and that isn't me being melodramatic (again), that is the truth. If the members of the forum are driving people away, then what is the point of the forum existing? You know, I remember when I first joined. It was great. Then I went into the chatterbox, and got baited hard by HA and eventually got muted. That's probably why I kinda have a grudge against HA.

[09090901]

Maybe Goon could start putting *TRIGGER WARNING* at the start of all his posts. Might help reduce amount of HA related PTSD episodes that everyone seems to be struggling with around here.

Or you know, you could just add him to your ignore list if you don't like his posts.

[Naryar]

Huh. Yet again, Craaig takes things too personally... But it was all from a laudable intention. Besides, he helped quite a bit for this situation.

Now guys, let's stop this soap opera. Everyone take a chill pill; arguing is fine, but please stop with the BS drama.

We, the staff, are taking care of this Andrew situation right now and it will be solved in the following days - I personally vouch for it and will take the blame if it is NOT solved.

[Badger]

No I can use it and I don't need to share because it's not something that needs to be shared until all the mods agree on it.
I'm genuinely trying to make a solution for EVERYONE here and improve future situations that may arise meanwhile you lot are making it absolutely BLOOPing infuriating and I'm sick of trying so I'm done.

So you post that you're working on an appeal system, and start crying when people ask about what you mean by that and how it would work. There's basically no reason that I can see to keep something like that secret from the community, and community feedback would be important for this kind of thing, in my view.

Admins are looked up to as sources of information and a place to submit feedback. While I understand that often it is  a thankless job, but Craaig knew (or should've known) what the admin position entailed, including the community management and communication aspect. To be honest I think he is the sole cause of his own anger, rather than the community.

Edit:
Ninja'd by naryar

Maybe a new coloured title for troublemakers, with limited posting rights for x amount of time? I'm just throwing ideas out there

[The Red Blur]

What colour? Something in my mind is screaming "Chartreuse" (or some other type of green)

[09090901]

there's already a limited weight that was used for lra2, sparkey and i think hydro. it's just a gray name that says limited.

[Naryar]

No I can use it and I don't need to share because it's not something that needs to be shared until all the mods agree on it.
I'm genuinely trying to make a solution for EVERYONE here and improve future situations that may arise meanwhile you lot are making it absolutely BLOOPing infuriating and I'm sick of trying so I'm done.

So you post that you're working on an appeal system, and start crying when people ask about what you mean by that and how it would work. There's basically no reason that I can see to keep something like that secret from the community, and community feedback would be important for this kind of thing, in my view. .

Craaig was frustrated at this point, so he wasn't posting the most sane stuff.

The appeal system as proposed by Craaig was that permabans could be appealed after 6 months of ban, and that we would listen to the appeal, and that the staff would decide to let the banned member come back, with 2 months of "zero tolerance" where we get rid of him permanently if he goes over 50% warning (no more appeals possible, he'd be gone for good).

That was the appeal system.

Now I agree that if we do that for permabans it doesn't make much sense since a permaban is supposed to be permanent.

Yet again, we permabanned andrew because we were all quite frankly sick of his behavior and constant flaming and trolling and sneakily insulting the staff, and it was a good thing at the time.

Right now, circumstances have changed, and as said before I stand by what I've said : I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, I will be merciless if he continues his previous behavior.

[RTC]

Seriously, if he's this thin-skinned over constructive criticism, he needs to grow up. Yugi, you don't need to apologise at all for what you did.

[Badger]

No I can use it and I don't need to share because it's not something that needs to be shared until all the mods agree on it.
I'm genuinely trying to make a solution for EVERYONE here and improve future situations that may arise meanwhile you lot are making it absolutely BLOOPing infuriating and I'm sick of trying so I'm done.

So you post that you're working on an appeal system, and start crying when people ask about what you mean by that and how it would work. There's basically no reason that I can see to keep something like that secret from the community, and community feedback would be important for this kind of thing, in my view. .

Craaig was frustrated at this point, so he wasn't posting the most sane stuff.

The appeal system as proposed by Craaig was that permabans could be appealed after 6 months of ban, and that we would listen to the appeal, and that the staff would decide to let the banned member come back, with 2 months of "zero tolerance" where we get rid of him permanently if he goes over 50% warning (no more appeals possible, he'd be gone for good).

That was the appeal system.

Now I agree that if we do that for permabans it doesn't make much sense since a permaban is supposed to be permanent.

Yet again, we permabanned andrew because we were all quite frankly sick of his behavior and constant flaming and trolling and sneakily insulting the staff, and it was a good thing at the time.

Right now, circumstances have changed, and as said before I stand by what I've said : I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, I will be merciless if he continues his previous behavior.

Thanks nar. That system seems pretty reasonable. We keep using the word "permaban" but none of the supposed permabans have actually been permanent, maybe bans of X months or a year should be given instead, since current permabans are basically being ignored?

[yugitom]

Although I agree that his actions were rather irrational, I would still like to apologize nonetheless. I don't wish to tread on ground I have no right to tread on and I think Naryar has done a good job by clearly explaining what Craaig was proposing.

However, I still stand by the principle that the community should have their say in this to make them feel safe around disruptive members. I have argued for the mods to be able to do things at their discretion before but I see nothing wrong with community input and scrutiny, something which I believe has been handled maturely, without drama, up until Craaig leaving.

@Badger That's exactly what I've been saying and I couldn't agree more. Thanks, Nary.

[Naryar]

None of the permabans have been permanent ? I noticeably remember TRIAS and Noodle being permabanned, and the forum is very well off without those two.

Judging from the staff appears to have had enough about this whole Andrew drama, I can say Andrew is going towards a permaban as well...

[NeighImACarrot]

Sh** me, Craiig's gone. Wow. I didn't think that this would be what stops him. I mean, I get that I didn't help the situation but... Great. Now I feel terrible. Us lot have literally driven a main member away. I think this forum is well and truly dying, and that isn't me being melodramatic (again), that is the truth. If the members of the forum are driving people away, then what is the point of the forum existing? You know, I remember when I first joined. It was great. Then I went into the chatterbox, and got baited hard by HA and eventually got muted. That's probably why I kinda have a grudge against HA.

No credit to me

[Badger]

None of the permabans have been permanent ? I noticeably remember TRIAS and Noodle being permabanned, and the forum is very well off without those two.

Judging from the staff's opinion about banning him, I can say Andrew is going towards a permaban as well...

yes, but so far every member that I can think of that has multiaccounted through a permaban has been allowed to unless they break forum rules again on their 2nd account

[Meganerdbomb]

Just ban everyone for a million years, instead of permanently, then they won't be permabans. I can't believe everyone took this thread 100% seriously.

[WeN]

Just ban everyone for a million years, instead of permanently, then they won't be permabans. I can't believe everyone took this thread 100% seriously.

[RTC]

None of the permabans have been permanent ? I noticeably remember TRIAS and Noodle being permabanned, and the forum is very well off without those two.

Judging from the staff appears to have had enough about this whole Andrew drama, I can say Andrew is going towards a permaban as well...

Noodle made a bunch of alts to spam the forum after he was permabanned, and TRIAS tried to use proxies and got a bunch of people range banned by collateral, at least from what I've read in the archives. Nobody takes a permanent ban as final is what I'm trying to suggest.

[Meganerdbomb]

Those are bad examples though, because they were clear examples of ban evading and were treated as such. Sparkey and Avalanche on the other hand, were allowed back, though only one is still back.

[RTC]

Those are bad examples though, because they were clear examples of ban evading and were treated as such. Sparkey and Avalanche on the other hand, were allowed back, though only one is still back.

It doesn't disprove a trend that people don't take permabans seriously here, whether that's through trying to reform through an alt, or just returning to stir sh**. Of the 5 prominent users that I know of that got permabanned, each tried to return in some capacity.

[090901]

ha ****ed my dad, please ban him