Robot Wars 2016 Discussion Thread

[botomatic1000]

I wanted to make sure I had the same one as my steam and youtube lol im sorry if it confuses you.

[MassimoV]

Lol all the flippers just look like Gravity.  Sweeney Todd was also just Groundhog minus legs.

[Philippa]

Fight One: Didn't see that coming.

Edit:

Chompalot and Pulsar: Didn't see that coming either. That's why the mini league system is BS.

[Conraaa]

That episode was much more confusing than it needed to be. I spent too much of that one screaming at my television.

Chompalot dying and Pulsar being drafted in was the only thing they did right. I have no idea why matches were allowed to go to completion when robots involved were clearly immobilised and had to retroactively be fixed. Apparently the judges were so busy talking about prosthetic limbs they weren't looking at those matches and forgot to call them. Those confusing messes marred what was a very good heat final, made better by the fact we hadn't already seen it.

Dare I say it, we need Refbot back.

Also legend has it the Jewish holiday Hanukkah is actually based on the 8 days Chompalot burned for.

[RedSawn]

Yeah, I wasn't particularly happy with how Ironside was revived by Sir K, and were seemingly allowed to continue right through when Pulsar started having problems, up until the double pit incident.. good it was made right, though. Would have saved me the frustration if they called it early, though.

Pearce still clueless as to what's actually happening in the arena, though. Didn't spot Gabriel's pickaxe getting stuck in the fire pit or Beast losing mobility half the time

Not as spectacular as episode 4, but it did the job.

[Probably Rob]

I still don't get the countout system. That 10 second timer, is that a robot immobile countdown, or the end of the match? Because it's frustrating not knowing. On a few matches, robots have had their wheel stuck, spinning on one side, essentially making it look like they're "time wasting" when they're not, they're just stuck... SO COUNT THEM OUT, just in case they ARE time wasting, which they aren't. Hate this countout thing... if there IS one

[wakkydude]

Episode's now up in the usual place.

Sketchy countouts aside, this was honestly my favourite episode so far. Lots of exciting robots, and a truly competitive head-to-head.

[Badger]

**** GABRIEL, BUILDERS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EVENTS FOR ENTERING THIS BORING ASS sh**E

Not a fan of this episode, Ironside didn't feel particularly powerful, neither did pulsar except for that 1 hit, along with its super inconsistent drive. Gabriel offended me more than Nuts did and Beast was underwhelming.

[wakkydude]

Do you want nothing but the same wedge and bar spinner designs? Bitching about Gabriel is how we get nothing but the same wedge and bar spinner designs in the future.

I for one welcome any robot that attacks uniquely and is a totally new design. Both Gabriel and Nuts were fascinating to watch for me, were highly unpredictable as the fights went on, and dared to make their battles unlike anything we'd seen before. Sure, it may not be capable of delivering the most damage to opponents, but I enjoy watching extremely well-controlled combat that tests what the drivers are capable of just as much as I enjoy watching the odd destructive battle. Good control is extremely underrated. I want to see more.

[Joelu Of Eagleland]

**** GABRIEL, BUILDERS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EVENTS FOR ENTERING THIS BORING ASS sh**E

OK, gonna have to stop you riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight there.

What about Gabriel is boring? Like, seriously? It's a really interesting counter to the average design you see on Robot Wars, the flipper. It's near impossible to effectively flip the thing, thus showing that not every UK bot needs to be a flipper to do well. And it's a massive robot that practically rolls off of every surface imaginable! How is something that mobile in a fight boring? It's not like it put on a wedge and went straight for the pit tyre...

I'm gonna assume that this is just you being unhappy that the spinners didn't take off many (or any) parts in this episode, and that the spinners hit Gabriel so much yet it stayed intact. If you want my personal opinion, it's a tad childish to call a robot boring and then stating that it somehow "offended you".

Anyways, episode; It felt good to see Pulsar rise from the ashes like that; went out in round 1 then reinstated with the odds against it (started out the league rounds with 1 loss already on the board) and then to come back and win the heat. Sadly, I don't see it doing too well in the final episode considering all of the drive issues it had in this episode.

Ironside 3 going out was rather unfortunate, but it certainly fought well. Shame it's srimech didn't quite bring it to it's wheels in time.

Also, nice controversy, judges. Way to bring back the feel of the old series's...s... (that doesn't sound right when describing multiple series... damnit) seasons, I guess?
If only they had some sort of HOUSE ROBOT THAT COULD'VE COUNTED IMMOBILE ROBOTS OUT then there would've been less controversy. However, we all know no such robot like that exists. At all. Ever.

[wakkydude]

**** GABRIEL, BUILDERS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EVENTS FOR ENTERING THIS BORING ASS sh**E

OK, gonna have to stop you riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight there.

What about Gabriel is boring? Like, seriously? It's a really interesting counter to the average design you see on Robot Wars, the flipper. It's near impossible to effectively flip the thing, thus showing that not every UK bot needs to be a flipper to do well. And it's a massive robot that practically rolls off of every surface imaginable! How is something that mobile in a fight boring? It's not like it put on a wedge and went straight for the pit tyre...

I'm gonna assume that this is just you being unhappy that the spinners didn't take off many (or any) parts in this episode, and that the spinners hit Gabriel so much yet it stayed intact. If you want my personal opinion, it's a tad childish to call a robot boring and then stating that it somehow "offended you".

Anyways, episode; It felt good to see Pulsar rise from the ashes like that; went out in round 1 then reinstated with the odds against it (started out the league rounds with 1 loss already on the board) and then to come back and win the heat. Sadly, I don't see it doing too well in the final episode considering all of the drive issues it had in this episode.

Ironside 3 going out was rather unfortunate, but it certainly fought well. Shame it's srimech didn't quite bring it to it's wheels in time.

Also, nice controversy, judges. Way to bring back the feel of the old series's...s... (that doesn't sound right when describing multiple series... damnit) seasons, I guess?
If only they had some sort of HOUSE ROBOT THAT COULD'VE COUNTED IMMOBILE ROBOTS OUT then there would've been less controversy. However, we all know no such robot like that exists. At all. Ever.

I wouldn't want specifically to see a RefBot nowadays. It still comes across as, at least presentationally, a little silly when compared to the rest of the series' attitude this time around. That said, there are also other ways of counting out, such as how Battlebots had officials for each team, and at the end of the day something has to be done about counting, no matter what it is, because that episode got a little ridiculous.

[Badger]

**** GABRIEL, BUILDERS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EVENTS FOR ENTERING THIS BORING ASS sh**E

OK, gonna have to stop you riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight there.

What about Gabriel is boring? Like, seriously? It's a really interesting counter to the average design you see on Robot Wars, the flipper. It's near impossible to effectively flip the thing, thus showing that not every UK bot needs to be a flipper to do well. And it's a massive robot that practically rolls off of every surface imaginable! How is something that mobile in a fight boring? It's not like it put on a wedge and went straight for the pit tyre...

I'm gonna assume that this is just you being unhappy that the spinners didn't take off many (or any) parts in this episode, and that the spinners hit Gabriel so much yet it stayed intact. If you want my personal opinion, it's a tad childish to call a robot boring and then stating that it somehow "offended you".

Anyways, episode; It felt good to see Pulsar rise from the ashes like that; went out in round 1 then reinstated with the odds against it (started out the league rounds with 1 loss already on the board) and then to come back and win the heat. Sadly, I don't see it doing too well in the final episode considering all of the drive issues it had in this episode.

Ironside 3 going out was rather unfortunate, but it certainly fought well. Shame it's srimech didn't quite bring it to it's wheels in time.

Also, nice controversy, judges. Way to bring back the feel of the old series's...s... (that doesn't sound right when describing multiple series... damnit) seasons, I guess?
If only they had some sort of HOUSE ROBOT THAT COULD'VE COUNTED IMMOBILE ROBOTS OUT then there would've been less controversy. However, we all know no such robot like that exists. At all. Ever.

Name 1 time it did damage to another bot
protip: you can't

Name 1 time it threw another bot into the air
protip: you can't

The bottype is a ****ing waste of time and space. It does no damage, it's nearly impossible to damage it without getting a big-ass HS to hit the wheels (And gabriel's wheels were made of bendy plastic so that's out too). It's literally there to be pushed around for 3 minutes and hope the other bot dies out of nowhere or because it drove into a CPZ or something. The bot has LITERALLY no way to make the fight interesting apart from being rekt by a HS, and it's even bad at that.

I'm not saying it's a bad bottype competitively, it does indeed "counter" flippers (tho not really, it can't do anything to them and it's incredibly hard to get an OOTA this year anyway). I'm saying it's basically impossible to have an interesting fight when its not vs a HS, and IMO it s a complete and utter dick move to enter one and a huge **** you to all the spectators and viewers.

The bot isn't not sh** just by virtue of not being a flipper. I could enter a ****ing shopping trolley and it would produce more interesting fights than that thing.

I don't see how you can claim flippers dominate RW when 3/5 bots in the grand final are not flippers, and 3/5 wildcard runners up aren't flippers either.

Finally, I'm actually a flipper fan more than a HS fan. I'm unhappy that the majority of match viewing time was a complete waste of time as may as well be skipped because it involved Gabriel.

[Probably Rob]

3/5 wildcard runners up aren't flippers either.

Heeey, Behemoth isn't a flippeeer

[Badger]

3/5 wildcard runners up aren't flippers either.

Heeey, Behemoth isn't a flippeeer

Eh, it's more a flipper than a pusher tbh

[Probably Rob]

3/5 wildcard runners up aren't flippers either.

Heeey, Behemoth isn't a flippeeer

Eh, it's more a flipper than a pusher tbh

It's a lifter, ya fool

[Joelu Of Eagleland]

**** GABRIEL, BUILDERS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EVENTS FOR ENTERING THIS BORING ASS sh**E

OK, gonna have to stop you riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight there.

What about Gabriel is boring? Like, seriously? It's a really interesting counter to the average design you see on Robot Wars, the flipper. It's near impossible to effectively flip the thing, thus showing that not every UK bot needs to be a flipper to do well. And it's a massive robot that practically rolls off of every surface imaginable! How is something that mobile in a fight boring? It's not like it put on a wedge and went straight for the pit tyre...

I'm gonna assume that this is just you being unhappy that the spinners didn't take off many (or any) parts in this episode, and that the spinners hit Gabriel so much yet it stayed intact. If you want my personal opinion, it's a tad childish to call a robot boring and then stating that it somehow "offended you".

Anyways, episode; It felt good to see Pulsar rise from the ashes like that; went out in round 1 then reinstated with the odds against it (started out the league rounds with 1 loss already on the board) and then to come back and win the heat. Sadly, I don't see it doing too well in the final episode considering all of the drive issues it had in this episode.

Ironside 3 going out was rather unfortunate, but it certainly fought well. Shame it's srimech didn't quite bring it to it's wheels in time.

Also, nice controversy, judges. Way to bring back the feel of the old series's...s... (that doesn't sound right when describing multiple series... damnit) seasons, I guess?
If only they had some sort of HOUSE ROBOT THAT COULD'VE COUNTED IMMOBILE ROBOTS OUT then there would've been less controversy. However, we all know no such robot like that exists. At all. Ever.

Name 1 time it did damage to another bot
protip: you can't

Name 1 time it threw another bot into the air
protip: you can't

The bottype is a ****ing waste of time and space. It does no damage, it's nearly impossible to damage it without getting a big-ass HS to hit the wheels (And gabriel's wheels were made of bendy plastic so that's out too). It's literally there to be pushed around for 3 minutes and hope the other bot dies out of nowhere or because it drove into a CPZ or something. The bot has LITERALLY no way to make the fight interesting apart from being rekt by a HS, and it's even bad at that.

I'm not saying it's a bad bottype competitively, it does indeed "counter" flippers (tho not really, it can't do anything to them and it's incredibly hard to get an OOTA this year anyway). I'm saying it's basically impossible to have an interesting fight when its not vs a HS, and IMO it s a complete and utter dick move to enter one and a huge **** you to all the spectators and viewers.

The bot isn't not sh** just by virtue of not being a flipper. I could enter a ****ing shopping trolley and it would produce more interesting fights than that thing.

I don't see how you can claim flippers dominate RW when 3/5 bots in the grand final are not flippers, and 3/5 wildcard runners up aren't flippers either.

Finally, I'm actually a flipper fan more than a HS fan. I'm unhappy that the majority of match viewing time was a complete waste of time as may as well be skipped because it involved Gabriel.

Because that was a perfectly reasonable way to respond to someone. Quit being an edgy Goon 2.0 and actually be bloody sensible. I want to feel like I'm talking to someone above the age of 12, please.

"It did no damage" so I guess Beta did no damage too? I guess stinger didn't damage other bots? It clearly dealt internal damage; obviously you haven't seen it fight prior to the 2016 series.

Of course it wouldn't flip anything, you twat. How about we ask why Pulsar didn't pick another robot up and parade it around the arena before dropping it on the flame pit?

And the rest of that post amounts to "I found it boring because nothing was smashed off". Exactly what I thought from a stupidly immature post. That's your description of an interesting fight, is it? You aren't going to take any other aspect such as driving skill into account? Honestly, I can't say anything more in response. Your response is literally that poorly put together; it's just the same point over and over "nothing got smashed off." if you're so interested in these moments, go look at some match highlights; don't watch the full bloomin' episode.

And you tell me that flippers don't dominate? Look at the recent UK champs; a large ****ton of them have been flippers, hence why Gabriel exists. It hardly causes wasted viewing time (especially when you don't give a proper reason for it); as I said, watch some match highlights instead, not the episode that you clearly can't sit through. If anything, you should be annoyed at the spinners for having constant technical issues

[Badger]

3/5 wildcard runners up aren't flippers either.

Heeey, Behemoth isn't a flippeeer

Eh, it's more a flipper than a pusher tbh

It's a lifter, ya fool

I think the scoop is too fast to be a lifter. Panic Attack is a lifter. Btw does anyone know what happened to Panic Attack?

[Badger]

**** GABRIEL, BUILDERS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EVENTS FOR ENTERING THIS BORING ASS sh**E

OK, gonna have to stop you riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight there.

What about Gabriel is boring? Like, seriously? It's a really interesting counter to the average design you see on Robot Wars, the flipper. It's near impossible to effectively flip the thing, thus showing that not every UK bot needs to be a flipper to do well. And it's a massive robot that practically rolls off of every surface imaginable! How is something that mobile in a fight boring? It's not like it put on a wedge and went straight for the pit tyre...

I'm gonna assume that this is just you being unhappy that the spinners didn't take off many (or any) parts in this episode, and that the spinners hit Gabriel so much yet it stayed intact. If you want my personal opinion, it's a tad childish to call a robot boring and then stating that it somehow "offended you".

Anyways, episode; It felt good to see Pulsar rise from the ashes like that; went out in round 1 then reinstated with the odds against it (started out the league rounds with 1 loss already on the board) and then to come back and win the heat. Sadly, I don't see it doing too well in the final episode considering all of the drive issues it had in this episode.

Ironside 3 going out was rather unfortunate, but it certainly fought well. Shame it's srimech didn't quite bring it to it's wheels in time.

Also, nice controversy, judges. Way to bring back the feel of the old series's...s... (that doesn't sound right when describing multiple series... damnit) seasons, I guess?
If only they had some sort of HOUSE ROBOT THAT COULD'VE COUNTED IMMOBILE ROBOTS OUT then there would've been less controversy. However, we all know no such robot like that exists. At all. Ever.

Name 1 time it did damage to another bot
protip: you can't

Name 1 time it threw another bot into the air
protip: you can't

The bottype is a ****ing waste of time and space. It does no damage, it's nearly impossible to damage it without getting a big-ass HS to hit the wheels (And gabriel's wheels were made of bendy plastic so that's out too). It's literally there to be pushed around for 3 minutes and hope the other bot dies out of nowhere or because it drove into a CPZ or something. The bot has LITERALLY no way to make the fight interesting apart from being rekt by a HS, and it's even bad at that.

I'm not saying it's a bad bottype competitively, it does indeed "counter" flippers (tho not really, it can't do anything to them and it's incredibly hard to get an OOTA this year anyway). I'm saying it's basically impossible to have an interesting fight when its not vs a HS, and IMO it s a complete and utter dick move to enter one and a huge **** you to all the spectators and viewers.

The bot isn't not sh** just by virtue of not being a flipper. I could enter a ****ing shopping trolley and it would produce more interesting fights than that thing.

I don't see how you can claim flippers dominate RW when 3/5 bots in the grand final are not flippers, and 3/5 wildcard runners up aren't flippers either.

Finally, I'm actually a flipper fan more than a HS fan. I'm unhappy that the majority of match viewing time was a complete waste of time as may as well be skipped because it involved Gabriel.

Because that was a perfectly reasonable way to respond to someone. Quit being an edgy Goon 2.0 and actually be bloody sensible. I want to feel like I'm talking to someone above the age of 12, please.

"It did no damage" so I guess Beta did no damage too? I guess stinger didn't damage other bots? It clearly dealt internal damage; obviously you haven't seen it fight prior to the 2016 series.

Of course it wouldn't flip anything, you twat. How about we ask why Pulsar didn't pick another robot up and parade it around the arena before dropping it on the flame pit?

And the rest of that post amounts to "I found it boring because nothing was smashed off". Exactly what I thought from a stupidly immature post. That's your description of an interesting fight, is it? You aren't going to take any other aspect such as driving skill into account? Honestly, I can't say anything more in response. Your response is literally that poorly put together; it's just the same point over and over "nothing got smashed off." if you're so interested in these moments, go look at some match highlights; don't watch the full bloomin' episode.

And you tell me that flippers don't dominate? Look at the recent UK champs; a large ****ton of them have been flippers, hence why Gabriel exists. It hardly causes wasted viewing time (especially when you don't give a proper reason for it); as I said, watch some match highlights instead, not the episode that you clearly can't sit through. If anything, you should be annoyed at the spinners for having constant technical issues

Mate if you think those sh**ty taps did dick all I don't know what you're on.


Honestly I don't see your argument at all. What in Gabriel do you find entertaining? Name 1 thing? There is no driving skill there at all. None. I would bet good money, I swear to god, that if I replaced the driver with an RPi that send a random command to the controller every X seconds you would literally not be able to tell the difference. Not that you can really appreciate the driving skill of anyone this season with the sub-pa camera work.


I suppose you'd enjoy watching a massive solid steel block on casters being rolled into the arena, since it's a HS counter and therefore such an innovative and interesting to watch design.


Gabriel and other bots like it do not show skill, technical prowess or displays of power at all, at any point in their matches. Their only purpose is fodder and they're horrendously bad at that. The gabriel team has made me appreciate the Nuts team immensely.

[wakkydude]

**** GABRIEL, BUILDERS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EVENTS FOR ENTERING THIS BORING ASS sh**E

OK, gonna have to stop you riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight there.

What about Gabriel is boring? Like, seriously? It's a really interesting counter to the average design you see on Robot Wars, the flipper. It's near impossible to effectively flip the thing, thus showing that not every UK bot needs to be a flipper to do well. And it's a massive robot that practically rolls off of every surface imaginable! How is something that mobile in a fight boring? It's not like it put on a wedge and went straight for the pit tyre...

I'm gonna assume that this is just you being unhappy that the spinners didn't take off many (or any) parts in this episode, and that the spinners hit Gabriel so much yet it stayed intact. If you want my personal opinion, it's a tad childish to call a robot boring and then stating that it somehow "offended you".

Anyways, episode; It felt good to see Pulsar rise from the ashes like that; went out in round 1 then reinstated with the odds against it (started out the league rounds with 1 loss already on the board) and then to come back and win the heat. Sadly, I don't see it doing too well in the final episode considering all of the drive issues it had in this episode.

Ironside 3 going out was rather unfortunate, but it certainly fought well. Shame it's srimech didn't quite bring it to it's wheels in time.

Also, nice controversy, judges. Way to bring back the feel of the old series's...s... (that doesn't sound right when describing multiple series... damnit) seasons, I guess?
If only they had some sort of HOUSE ROBOT THAT COULD'VE COUNTED IMMOBILE ROBOTS OUT then there would've been less controversy. However, we all know no such robot like that exists. At all. Ever.

Name 1 time it did damage to another bot
protip: you can't

Name 1 time it threw another bot into the air
protip: you can't

The bottype is a ****ing waste of time and space. It does no damage, it's nearly impossible to damage it without getting a big-ass HS to hit the wheels (And gabriel's wheels were made of bendy plastic so that's out too). It's literally there to be pushed around for 3 minutes and hope the other bot dies out of nowhere or because it drove into a CPZ or something. The bot has LITERALLY no way to make the fight interesting apart from being rekt by a HS, and it's even bad at that.

I'm not saying it's a bad bottype competitively, it does indeed "counter" flippers (tho not really, it can't do anything to them and it's incredibly hard to get an OOTA this year anyway). I'm saying it's basically impossible to have an interesting fight when its not vs a HS, and IMO it s a complete and utter dick move to enter one and a huge **** you to all the spectators and viewers.

The bot isn't not sh** just by virtue of not being a flipper. I could enter a ****ing shopping trolley and it would produce more interesting fights than that thing.

I don't see how you can claim flippers dominate RW when 3/5 bots in the grand final are not flippers, and 3/5 wildcard runners up aren't flippers either.

Finally, I'm actually a flipper fan more than a HS fan. I'm unhappy that the majority of match viewing time was a complete waste of time as may as well be skipped because it involved Gabriel.

Because that was a perfectly reasonable way to respond to someone. Quit being an edgy Goon 2.0 and actually be bloody sensible. I want to feel like I'm talking to someone above the age of 12, please.

"It did no damage" so I guess Beta did no damage too? I guess stinger didn't damage other bots? It clearly dealt internal damage; obviously you haven't seen it fight prior to the 2016 series.

Of course it wouldn't flip anything, you twat. How about we ask why Pulsar didn't pick another robot up and parade it around the arena before dropping it on the flame pit?

And the rest of that post amounts to "I found it boring because nothing was smashed off". Exactly what I thought from a stupidly immature post. That's your description of an interesting fight, is it? You aren't going to take any other aspect such as driving skill into account? Honestly, I can't say anything more in response. Your response is literally that poorly put together; it's just the same point over and over "nothing got smashed off." if you're so interested in these moments, go look at some match highlights; don't watch the full bloomin' episode.

And you tell me that flippers don't dominate? Look at the recent UK champs; a large ****ton of them have been flippers, hence why Gabriel exists. It hardly causes wasted viewing time (especially when you don't give a proper reason for it); as I said, watch some match highlights instead, not the episode that you clearly can't sit through. If anything, you should be annoyed at the spinners for having constant technical issues

Mate if you think those sh**ty taps did dick all I don't know what you're on.


Honestly I don't see your argument at all. What in Gabriel do you find entertaining? Name 1 thing? There is no driving skill there at all. None. I would bet good money, I swear to god, that if I replaced the driver with an RPi that send a random command to the controller every X seconds you would literally not be able to tell the difference. Not that you can really appreciate the driving skill of anyone this season with the sub-pa camera work.


I suppose you'd enjoy watching a massive solid steel block on casters being rolled into the arena, since it's a HS counter and therefore such an innovative and interesting to watch design.


Gabriel and other bots like it do not show skill, technical prowess or displays of power at all, at any point in their matches. Their only purpose is fodder and they're horrendously bad at that. The gabriel team has made me appreciate the Nuts team immensely.

Let's get this out of the way first: absurd hyperbole that almost qualifies for parody does not substitute for an argument.

I don't know where to begin.

Your entire case about the robot taking "no skill to drive" is an extremely good demonstration of the fact that you really don't know what actually goes into controlling a fighting robot. To control any typical 100kg robot on the already slippery Robot Wars arena is already a challenge, and lining up shots with whatever weapon you're using, with the extremely limited angle you have to view the first place, not even taking into account any other forces in action, is a challenge and takes a lot of talent to do properly. Much more talent than you'd expect, and there's a good reason you often see some of the several driving mistakes that have happened over the course of the series and say "I can do better" when you really can't. It really, really is more complex than that in the real world, and I applaud anyone who can survive a battle in any modern machine.

Doing all of that with a robot that is at least three times larger than the other competitors on two wheels, and constantly displaces its 100 kg of weight of as the weapon flips, and not ending up in that over-sized pit once, simply put, is a step above even that. It's not particularly comparable. Gabriel is easily the hardest to drive robot in this series of Robot Wars and made it through all of its battles alive. Simply put, that is a significant feat in control. Please actually ask the roboteers what driving is like, rather than resorting to your experience in RA2. Because that's just not it.

And that, right there, is what I find entertaining. The ability of the team to keep the beast several times larger than it had any right to be in control, on target, and attacking with a weapon that's largely out of their direct control is an impressive feat. And good feats of control, avoiding lethal danger which Gabriel very easily could have faced on multiple occasions, is for many an entertaining thing to watch. It may not be "flashy" for the cameras but yet again I point you to Beta and UK Stinger - were they tearing the opponents apart and smashing them to pieces regularly? Not really. But they took talent to keep on target, and they achieved significantly more than just externals may display.

Also, are these the same "sh**ty taps" that wrecked Chompalot's drive and self-righter? Are we talking about the robot that dealt spectacular external damage to Eric with a weapon much lighter and weaker than what it run with on Robot Wars? Is this the same robot? Yeah. It is.

Robot Wars isn't just a show about "who can get torn up the fastest". That era is over. If you want it, go back to the old series and don't come back, because that's not what those in the sport want it to be solely represented by, and it's not what Mentorn want to represent. Anyone who knows what they're talking about in the scene knows a significant amount has gone into creating a robot the sheer scale of Gabriel, and operating it in the arena to large success, when it otherwise is very often beatable, as it has been on the live scene. Quite frankly, I find it a stretch to call almost any robot on the series at all "utter sh**e", as it massively undermines the intense amount of effort that went into building and maintaining each and every one of them. It's quite frankly an insult that undermines the strong spirit of UK roboteering, and most competent builders would consider calling anything that competed "utter sh**e" an insult.

But if you just want it to be about "who can make the most pretty damage" this incarnation of the show isn't for you, it never has been for you, and it is an immature stance to call anything that isn't the same wedge or bar spinner design "boring ass sh**e" that's "offensive", whether or not you're self-aware about it or not.

I'm sorry that everybody else was able to appreciate it.

[Joelu Of Eagleland]

**** GABRIEL, BUILDERS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM EVENTS FOR ENTERING THIS BORING ASS sh**E

OK, gonna have to stop you riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight there.

What about Gabriel is boring? Like, seriously? It's a really interesting counter to the average design you see on Robot Wars, the flipper. It's near impossible to effectively flip the thing, thus showing that not every UK bot needs to be a flipper to do well. And it's a massive robot that practically rolls off of every surface imaginable! How is something that mobile in a fight boring? It's not like it put on a wedge and went straight for the pit tyre...

I'm gonna assume that this is just you being unhappy that the spinners didn't take off many (or any) parts in this episode, and that the spinners hit Gabriel so much yet it stayed intact. If you want my personal opinion, it's a tad childish to call a robot boring and then stating that it somehow "offended you".

Anyways, episode; It felt good to see Pulsar rise from the ashes like that; went out in round 1 then reinstated with the odds against it (started out the league rounds with 1 loss already on the board) and then to come back and win the heat. Sadly, I don't see it doing too well in the final episode considering all of the drive issues it had in this episode.

Ironside 3 going out was rather unfortunate, but it certainly fought well. Shame it's srimech didn't quite bring it to it's wheels in time.

Also, nice controversy, judges. Way to bring back the feel of the old series's...s... (that doesn't sound right when describing multiple series... damnit) seasons, I guess?
If only they had some sort of HOUSE ROBOT THAT COULD'VE COUNTED IMMOBILE ROBOTS OUT then there would've been less controversy. However, we all know no such robot like that exists. At all. Ever.

Name 1 time it did damage to another bot
protip: you can't

Name 1 time it threw another bot into the air
protip: you can't

The bottype is a ****ing waste of time and space. It does no damage, it's nearly impossible to damage it without getting a big-ass HS to hit the wheels (And gabriel's wheels were made of bendy plastic so that's out too). It's literally there to be pushed around for 3 minutes and hope the other bot dies out of nowhere or because it drove into a CPZ or something. The bot has LITERALLY no way to make the fight interesting apart from being rekt by a HS, and it's even bad at that.

I'm not saying it's a bad bottype competitively, it does indeed "counter" flippers (tho not really, it can't do anything to them and it's incredibly hard to get an OOTA this year anyway). I'm saying it's basically impossible to have an interesting fight when its not vs a HS, and IMO it s a complete and utter dick move to enter one and a huge **** you to all the spectators and viewers.

The bot isn't not sh** just by virtue of not being a flipper. I could enter a ****ing shopping trolley and it would produce more interesting fights than that thing.

I don't see how you can claim flippers dominate RW when 3/5 bots in the grand final are not flippers, and 3/5 wildcard runners up aren't flippers either.

Finally, I'm actually a flipper fan more than a HS fan. I'm unhappy that the majority of match viewing time was a complete waste of time as may as well be skipped because it involved Gabriel.

Because that was a perfectly reasonable way to respond to someone. Quit being an edgy Goon 2.0 and actually be bloody sensible. I want to feel like I'm talking to someone above the age of 12, please.

"It did no damage" so I guess Beta did no damage too? I guess stinger didn't damage other bots? It clearly dealt internal damage; obviously you haven't seen it fight prior to the 2016 series.

Of course it wouldn't flip anything, you twat. How about we ask why Pulsar didn't pick another robot up and parade it around the arena before dropping it on the flame pit?

And the rest of that post amounts to "I found it boring because nothing was smashed off". Exactly what I thought from a stupidly immature post. That's your description of an interesting fight, is it? You aren't going to take any other aspect such as driving skill into account? Honestly, I can't say anything more in response. Your response is literally that poorly put together; it's just the same point over and over "nothing got smashed off." if you're so interested in these moments, go look at some match highlights; don't watch the full bloomin' episode.

And you tell me that flippers don't dominate? Look at the recent UK champs; a large ****ton of them have been flippers, hence why Gabriel exists. It hardly causes wasted viewing time (especially when you don't give a proper reason for it); as I said, watch some match highlights instead, not the episode that you clearly can't sit through. If anything, you should be annoyed at the spinners for having constant technical issues

Mate if you think those sh**ty taps did dick all I don't know what you're on.


Honestly I don't see your argument at all. What in Gabriel do you find entertaining? Name 1 thing? There is no driving skill there at all. None. I would bet good money, I swear to god, that if I replaced the driver with an RPi that send a random command to the controller every X seconds you would literally not be able to tell the difference. Not that you can really appreciate the driving skill of anyone this season with the sub-pa camera work.


I suppose you'd enjoy watching a massive solid steel block on casters being rolled into the arena, since it's a HS counter and therefore such an innovative and interesting to watch design.


Gabriel and other bots like it do not show skill, technical prowess or displays of power at all, at any point in their matches. Their only purpose is fodder and they're horrendously bad at that. The gabriel team has made me appreciate the Nuts team immensely.

They weren't just sh**ty taps. I can't say anything else, I only have your word and you're dense as sh** so I have a lot to go on, don't I? I can't respond to anything you're saying at this point as you seem to be more interested in insulting the other person rather than making a valid argument. If I said Apollo barely lifted a thing, does that make it true? Is that what actually happened? Perhaps try, I don't know, not acting immaturely? Have your 2800+ posts gone to your head?

You're literally trying to piss people off at this point, nothing more. You're not on 4chan and you aren't a living meme. It's not hard to just have a conversation with people, you know. You could've just said "I think it isn't particularly good for entertainment and is a bit of a poor quality entry because it's rather resilient to damage and can't easily cause damage" and that would've been fine; I would've had no issues with that.

But seriously, if you don't like the bot, just say. Say you don't like it; everyone will accept that. However, calling it sh** just because you don't like it is boarderline stupid. This entire pointless argument could've been avoided if you just didn't say something stupid.

Judging by what you've been saying in the discord chat ("I love making people RQ" "indestructible autism bot of aids") I think I can just wrap up there as you seem to give 0 ****s at this point. Either way, can we just drop this now. I think we all have better things to do than talk sh** at each other over a TV show.



Also, seeing as you wanted to know, Panic Attack is pretty much retired; apparently Kim Davis still has it. He took it out of retirement in a virtually unchanged state to fight Behemoth at a live event in 2012; it went badly for PA. It wasn't damaged too much though, so it still would work if someone were to get the bot properly functioning again. Maybe that'll happen in the near future? I wouldn't mind seeing it.


also whoa that ninja by wakky, imma just leave things there