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« on: May 13, 2016, 05:35:51 AM »
meme time? to chatterbox we go.
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« on: May 13, 2016, 05:35:33 AM »
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« on: May 13, 2016, 05:34:56 AM »
they probably wanna keep the possibility of unrealistic building/DSL-S building
DSL-S doesn't allow for overlaying components. I'd like if RA3 didn't allow collisions personally, but I don't imagine they'll implement it for spinning objects because they'd have to model everything that spins as circular, which wouldn't really work for bars etc As for other things, I'm pretty sure the original RA2 did have the .py files but nobody knew how to get bots actually working in the game with regards to smartzones, control naming and bindings for some time.
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« on: May 13, 2016, 03:58:21 AM »
Great
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« on: May 12, 2016, 04:43:12 PM »
But bfe is bad and cheating
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« on: May 12, 2016, 04:40:23 PM »
Could do. I don't mind throwing one up if it comes to it.
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« on: May 12, 2016, 04:37:04 PM »
Compiling all the Dev Q&A's here for ease of access and quoting. Not my content, obviously  Q&A 1, 19th MarchHey everyone,
We're overwhelmed by the response to the early work in progress screenshots and video and are really appreciative of all of your feedback and questions. The announcement just went live this week with some early details and video of what the Robot Arena team has been working on for the past several months. We thought we would take some time from our development schedule to answer some of the more frequently asked questions.
This may sound a bit like a marketing statement, but the truth is we do need your support. One of the easiest ways to support the success of RA III is to select the Follow button on our RA III Steam page and subscribe to our mailing list on robotarena.com. If you already subscribe through robotarena.com you may have noticed we have answered other questions that were posed to us before we launched our Steam page.
We would like to try and make this a regular weekly post in the Steam community forums with an update on our progress and answers to your questions. While we would like to answer all of the questions, please don't take it personally if we don't answer yours. It doesn't mean it isn't a good question, it just means we may have missed it or may not have a good answer for you just yet.
Here goes!
>Will there be mod support?
Yes, our initial mod support will be through Steam Workshop, for bot blueprints. Bot blueprints are what you create in the botlab, be it a full blown bot, just a chassis, or a partial bot for others to add on to. We know that access to modifying components, arenas, sounds, physics, and UI are important to the mod community as well, but we want to be careful about how we introduce them as some of those changes may break the balance of the game. While these are not part of our initial plans for Steam Workshop, we have built the components/weapons and arenas in such a way that they can be modified and new ones created. Without the dedication of the mod community for RA 2 we wouldn't have an RA III.
>What engine are you using?
We're using using Unity 5. We looked at other engines, and while they all could have done the job nicely, Unity 5 gave us the best balance today.
>Why DirectX 9.0c in the system requirements?
We want to make RA III compatible for the widest amount of hardware out there that we can. We know not everyone has a DirectX 11 or 12 compatible GPU so the DirectX 9.0c requirement is to reach as wide an audience of fans of RA 2 as possible. RA 2 was never a visual tour de force in its day but it did what it needed to. That's not to say RA III is going to slack in the visual department, it just means that we want to spend more of our energy on other areas, at least at first!
>What physics are you using?
With Unity 5 we have PhysX. Apologies to the Havok fans, we know that it's a great solution and was our solution for RA 2 in the early days of physics solutions. Physics is important and tricky to get right and we believe that PhysX is the right solution for us. There have been some really great physics based games created in Unity and while it is always a challenge to get physics just right, the tools in Unity give us good access to what we need.
>Will there be multiplayer?
Yes. We will have 4 player online multiplayer, that's our current plan.
Thank you for your questions. We are truly thankful that you are supporting us. We're a small team of Robot Arena enthusiasts that know there are high expectations for RA III. We also know we won't please everyone, but we certainly want to try.
-Robot Arena III team Hi Everyone,
Thank you for your continued questions and support! You have definitely kept us busy this week reviewing feedback from the Steam community, the Gametechmods forums, Youtube, and questions we received from two members of the mod community who were kind enough to come into our offices.
In going through all the feedback we're finding that it falls into a few basic categories.
1. Bugs
2. Improvements
3. New features
We thought we would take this week to answer questions related to a couple from each category as well as a few miscellaneous ones. Please don't feel that your question wasn't a good one if we don't answer it, we may have missed it or more than likely we just don't have a good answer for you yet.
Bugs -
Your attention to detail is great to see, and sometimes a bit scary as well. Some of you lovingly dissected the early trailer and others vivisected it, either way you found some bugs.
> The connected components are not centered properly. [Insert still image from the video of the rotating mace-windoo-doo bot. That's not the official name of the bot, but maybe it should?]
In this early version we have all sorts of odd misaligned connections, including the ability to place parts in places you shouldn't (ouch). This will be addressed for release. As we discover misalignments we bug them. We can't promise every misalignment will be fixed given the millions of combinations, but we will do our best to get to them all!
> The wheel physics look messed up dude.
Yes they do. Initially we were using the basic Unity vehicle physics. We thought that would work. We quickly found that when you made a bot using the vehicle physics and the default shock-absorber system that is included it wouldn't work when a bot was flipped over. Essentially the default Unity vehicle physics would behave like a car upside down, shocks and all, without a downward force on the wheels. We had to scrap that system and start a new one that allowed for upside down bots to drive around as you would expect. Unity by default also has weird rubbery physics when objects are connected so things weren't actually rigid the way you'd expect them to be, which also meant taking a different approach for connecting items together.
With that being said, we knew the physics would be a tough one to conquer from the start and while we've made some good progress I'm sure there will be plenty of day-one videos of bots flying all over the place, falling apart fantastically and flinging themselves into some type of planetary orbit or the bowels of hell. We like to laugh to, but not so much that it hurts or makes us cry.
Improvements-
There were several things you saw in the videos, screenshots or in the copy that were missing or we could do better.
>Why just the stock Robot Arena 2 components?
The truth is we had to start somewhere with the components and we felt the easiest would be with the RA2 components. We do plan on having many more components than the ones in RA2 for launch. In future videos you'll see some new ones.
>Why do all the bots in the video have the same white/silver color?
When we made the video and took the screenshots we didn't have the bot lab paint shop hooked up yet. The bot lab will have a paint shop with familiar features to RA2. We'll have more to share in future videos.
>The chassis creation in the video looks different than in RA2. Where did the old method go?
There is much, much more flexibility in chassis creation than in RA2. That does sound like a bit of hyperbole but the truth is there are lots of ways to create chassis in RA III. The RA 2 method, which we call the extrusion method, still exists in RA III, but we didn't show it in the video as the UI was still coming on line. The video shows the new primitive shape approach where you pick a shape from many base shapes, and like a block of clay you can mold and shape the chassis by pulling vertexes in each layer to get what you want.
New Features-
> Will I be able to import my stock Robot Arena 2 bot into RA III.
This is a big one for many folks and is something we have talked about a lot. We don't think this will be possible to do before the launch, but the format we are saving the RA III bots in is very mod friendly so it certainly could be possible in the future.
> Since you are using Unity what about Mac and Linux?
Using Unity does give us options to go to Mac and Linux. We are carefully considering each as they have some challenges even with Unity. Presently we don't want to get distracted by those challenges however so we're focusing on Windows now. We're hoping that the challenges for Mac and Linux are minimal however as we would very much like to see Robot Arena on both.
>Can you rupture or puncture the chassis?
We agree that this would be really cool. As we balance all of the development tasks this one is a bit more technically challenging than we have plans for today. It's not off the table it's just not something we'll have initially.
Miscellaneous-
To everyone that suggested we reach out to Nerd³ or reached out to them on our behalf it looks like it worked, thank you! We appreciate @DanNerdCubed for the tweet letting people know that we're on Steam. We would be happy to share an early version for them to take a look at!
To those who asked how much the game will cost, it actually depends on what part of the world you are in. The science of pricing on Steam is a whole other topic, involving fluctuating currencies and market pricing realities for games in each region. With that being said we are asking $19.99 for RA III in the US and will do our very best to make the game reasonably priced throughout the world.
Like most folks who create games we would like to have enough financial success so we can continue to add new features and make more significant improvements beyond our launch. We know that many folks downloaded Robot Arena 2 for free because it wasn't readily available for purchase. We would like to try and make it as easy as possible for those people to justify purchasing.
Thank you again for the questions, please keep them coming - we'll be back next week to answer them!
-Robot Arena III Team Hello Everyone,
Lots going on this week on the development side and some great questions from everyone. Thank you to those of you that have put RA III on their Steam wishlist. Thank you for keeping our Steam Community and the Gametechmods forums active with questions and lively debate.
Let's get to this weeks' Q&A.
>Are you planning on DLC?
One of the more popular debates the past couple weeks has been DLC, downloadable content. Paid or free, it seems that DLC is a bit of a third rail subject with lots of opinions on both sides. We haven't closed the door on having paid DLC as part of Robot Arena III down the road but we know it would have to be something special and not take the focus off the core RA III gameplay balance.
Our initial thought about any possible free DLC is that it should not be a separate thing and just be an update to the core game so it doesn't affect balance. Keeping the door open for paid DLC gives us flexibility to work with content creators who may have unique content that we can only obtain at an extra cost. We don't have plans for paid DLC today, but we don't want to close the door on it completely in cases where there's a cool piece of content that we can only obtain by supporting paid DLC.
>Do we know if there are going to be weight classes other than the old lite weight, middle weight, and heavy weight?
We are currently sticking with the LW, MW, and HW formats to keep things simple for new RA folks. Having 7 weight classes from the start can get pretty confusing for folks who are new to RA.
On our wish list we would like to add flexibility in the weight classes, and we have discussed a few approaches for that including allowing you to set an arbitrary weight class for your own single/multiplayer purposes. This is not something we will have for launch, but the game is being built in such a way that we could support multiple classes.
>Is there a limit to chaining components together, a rule of 7 components chained in a row?
There is no limit currently defined, nor do we intend to provide a limit initially. Testing every permutation and combination of components would take quite a long time and we don't want to set an arbitrary limit. We want the user to be able to experiment with the bot creation as much as possible and discover what inherent limitations there are. What does that mean? Well let's say you chain 100 components together and it works, that's awesome, if you add the 101st component and the physics fail and things fly apart, well "The more you know".
>Will there be belts or chains?
The short answer is no. The longer answer is that while we don't intend to have belts or chains for the aesthetic side of bot creation, we will have smaller motors that will attach to the end of extenders that can accomplish things similar to what a belt and chain might.
>How many bots can we have on a team, and how many teams can we have?
In RA III the player will not have multiple teams but they can have a large number (TBD) of bots under their profile. For single player mode, events will have the concept of "teams". A single player profile will be limited to one team.
We realize that this might not be the answer that some want to hear, but it's something we struggled with managing in the user interface. We felt the best approach would be to offer one profile (essentially team), with the ability to have a large number of bots of various classes.
>In the chassis shaping, can you overlap corner-points? Create a pyramid? Or do all bots have to have a flat top like RA 2?
Currently every layer has to have the same number of vertices but they can be very close together, giving the appearance of fewer vertices. As we work through the bot lab paint shop, we're trying to strike a balance between more control in customizing the look of the chassis with the flexibility to stack vertices or bring them very close together.
>Will there be elastic components that bend or are they static like RA 2?
We have looked at springy joints, but initially we are going to focus on rigid joints to start. Springy joints are possible with Physx, we just don't have the ability to get them implemented and tested properly while we are working on the rigid physics.
>Will players be able to skin components in the bot lab or will people have to apply a new skin outside of the bot lab?
Currently there are no plans to include the ability to skin components in the bot lab. We have heard this idea from a number of people however, and know that it is something that many of you would like to see in future updates if possible.
>What's in the box?
The crushed dreams of the RA III supporters if we don't get things right...the pressure.
>Will there be more screenshots and video prior to release?
Yes. What type of things would you like to see in the next batch of screenshots and video?
As you can probably tell from the responses to your questions there will be a lot of things we would like to do, but realistically won't be able to do for the launch. In our dream scenario we hope that RA III does the community proud at launch and is successful enough for us to continue to invest in larger improvements and features. We know we won't launch with all of the features that you've been asking for, but we have put a lot of thought into making a highly mod friendly game that we hope lives on as long as RA 2.
-The Robot Arena III Team
Hello Everyone,
Thank you again for supporting RA III by adding us to your wishlist and Following our Steam page. We're six short weeks away from our launch date and things are extremely busy, so our apologies for being late with our update this week.
We're gearing up to show RA III at PAX East, April 22-24. Sorry for the last minute notice, it was touch and go whether we'd make it or not. While the event is sold out the folks at Octopus Tree will be sending out posts and pictures throughout the weekend through the @OctopusTreeGame Twitter account and Octopus Tree Facebook page if you're into that kind of thing.
We're also hoping to have RA III at other events in April which will be announced by Octopus Tree as well as right here when they are finalized.
On to the questions of the week.
>Do you think walkerbots would be possible?
Yes. We can't say they are the best combat robots out there yet, they haven't gotten their sea legs, but they are possible and I'm sure in the right hands they could be a pretty solid foe. It isn't a priority for us to have them easy to build initially, but they are possible.
>Have the parts from RA 2 been directly imported or have they been modified?
They may look like the parts from RA 2 but everything under the hood will change with the new physics and also from the feedback we have received. We know some of the RA 2 components didn't quite behave in an ideal way, so we're trying to rectify that, but we realize it will be an ongoing process to strike the right balance. We know some parts felt under powered and couldn't do the job you might expect. "Fix the !@$* flippers" has been heard loud and clear. With that being said it won't be perfect out of the box.
>Have you created any enemy bots yet?
Yes, we have created some enemy bots that have very rudimentary AI. Our plan is to create base AI for a variety of bot types. Modifiable AI is important to us as well. We'll have more to share later regarding how that will be possible.
>We would like to see screenshots of how damage works, and point scoring.
Absolutely. Once those elements come on line at a level that is worth sharing we will post those screenshots.
Thank you again for your questions! Please continue to post them to the Steam community, right here, or on Gametechmods forums.
-The Robot Arena III Team Hi Everyone,
Thank you again for all of the questions and well wishes as we head into the home stretch. We've been extra busy this week preparing builds for PAX East for the 22nd-24th and also a new event, VEX Worlds in Louisville, Kentucky at the Kentucky Exposition Center. We're proud to be the first game at this robotics competition event and look forward to sharing the game with competitors and VEX fans April 20th through the 23rd.
On to the questions of the week!
>Will there be an open or closed beta?
We have a handful of folks providing us feedback from the RA2 community. The truth is we'd love to have more folks involved in an open beta, but managing a larger group would take more time and we have a limited amount of that remaining. With that being said we have been getting great feedback from the handful of people who have agreed to help and we are extremely appreciative of their time.
>Will objects and wheels that stick out of the chassis have an opening for them or will they stick out of the chassis's if it wasn't solid like in RA 2?
Objects that stick out of the chassis do not create negative space on the chassis itself, so we are similar to RA 2 in that regard. We totally like the idea of creating a negative space for objects that pass through the chassis, but we won't be doing that for RA III.
>What are you using for multiplayer?
We're using Unity's multiplayer solution UNET. After researching other solutions we felt this had the best potential for what we were trying to achieve with RA III.
>I wonder if bot file editing/ component editing will still be possible in RA3 without having to be a computer genius.
>Bot file editing will be simple, it's a json file you can open with notepad or notepad++. Your bots are stored in your My Documents folder. Component editing is trickier than that and currently takes some knowledge of Unity and CAD, but it should be easier than RA 2. We have no formal plans yet to release the details on customizing components - but it's on our wishlist to do for sure.
>Can you edit the chassis during building?
Yes. You can edit the chassis after you have placed components. We're trying to make building much easier, and we believe this is a big step in the right direction.
>Will there be copy, paste and radial/array or mirroring of components to make it easier to build your bot?
Copy/Paste and radial array/mirroring are not currently in the works, though we hear you loud and clear that it is something that you would like. As bot builders ourselves we know these would be time savers. On top of all the other elements of the game these seem trivial to add, but there is a good bit of user interface work and testing that would take additional time. Undo is another big one we would have liked to have, but that is also sadly not in the plans at this time.
That wraps up the questions for this week! Thank you all again for your continued support. If you're attending PAX or VEX, please stop by and say hello and let us know you're part of the Steam or Gametechmods community.
-The Robot Arena III Team
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« on: May 12, 2016, 04:26:11 PM »
>finally learns how to edit control schemes in the bot file
>ignored by the person that asked
k cool
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« on: May 12, 2016, 01:38:23 PM »
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« on: May 12, 2016, 01:29:11 PM »
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« on: May 12, 2016, 06:00:44 AM »
One could argue that the short deadline hurts those who were not a part of the closed beta. Those involved would probably be far more adapt at ra3's system compared to the rest of the fourm who are just starting out.
I don't think that it matters at all, but a few members might feel otherwise.
I don't know who's on the beta but do any of them usually take part in botm?
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« on: May 11, 2016, 03:28:39 PM »
Well hi there.
Time to set some things straight.
Those that know me personally know everything I do for this forum, I do for it's longevity and the happiness of the userbase as a whole. It's telling to me that those who had 'less than kind' words to say about me are those who do not know me at all.
Last night was evidently not good for me. Middle of my final uni exam period, I had an exam yesterday and had been drinking. I am stressed beyond belief even without this situation; Take that as you will. I'm sorry for my reactions but I'm not apologizing for my viewpoints.
Tom; Don't even worry man. Haven't read your message as of yet but I don't need to honestly, you're a great user who wants whats best for the community, and that's exactly why we got you covering the Tournament section.
Yes, the reason I didn't want to explain the intricacies was because I wanted the staff to be agreed on it being a good idea before we posed it to you guys. If you don't think that's a suitable course of action then we have to agree to disagree. In my opinion, the staff should get the overall say in any community, so if the staff haven't fully agreed on a matter yet, it seems aimless to relay it to the community.
So yeah, back. Again.
News over the actual topic at hand in this thread will come over the next few days after we have had time to discuss at our pace.
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« on: May 10, 2016, 07:46:13 PM »
No I can use it and I don't need to share because it's not something that needs to be shared until all the mods agree on it.
I'm genuinely trying to make a solution for EVERYONE here and improve future situations that may arise meanwhile you lot are making it absolutely BLOOPing infuriating and I'm sick of trying so I'm done.
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« on: May 10, 2016, 07:43:10 PM »
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« on: May 10, 2016, 07:31:12 PM »
Are you running the patched version from the day after expansion release? It should say 'patched' on one of the loadup screens.
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« on: May 10, 2016, 07:18:57 PM »
Also Craaig, he did post from a reasonable and well-meaning perspective based upon what you revealed. No need to insinuate that he's dumb.
What I meant by what I originally said was criticizing what I revealed is an exercise in pointlessness because it's clearly intentionally not the full story. No point asking questions etc when I'm clearly not telling the entire plan anyway because they're all already answered.
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« on: May 10, 2016, 07:09:59 PM »
Maybe people deserve a second chance at this frankly exciting time for our community!
Or we could just all stick to our guns and believe no-one can ever change even when they've been told the moment they slip they'll be banned again but WHATEVER hey guys yay!
I thought the community was better than attacking people like this. If people say they're going to behave and provisions have been put in place to make sure that happens, why should they be excluded from this time in our community? Things are going to be awesome and I think it's a damn shame if people won't get over grudges to come together for a moment I'm sure most of us in the community never saw coming.
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« on: May 10, 2016, 06:35:36 PM »
The only problem I have with this is, it ensures any and all members that, whatever they do, they'll have a chance at an appeal. Surely, that diminishes the point of permanently banning them in the first place, as they are complacent in knowing that they can come back. How would appeals work? Would they be allowed to appeal after making another account? If so, will they be allowed to post in the time period of appeal?
I just think the way we look at perma-banning should change. It shouldn't be something you can recover from. I believe appeals or negotiations would work better if they simply reduced the amount of time they were banned for. For example, you could give someone a year long ban and, given they do not harass anyone outside of the forum or create multi-accounts, they'd be allowed to negotiate a new amount of time they should be banned for, after a while. Appealing a permanent ban seems like a weird concept to me because the appellant hasn't been on the forum for us to witness change, so why would our attitude change towards them other than "everyone deserves a second chance"?
(N.B. don't critique this message as OMG BAD IDEA because you don't know the whole proposal and you'll look dumb)
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« on: May 10, 2016, 06:32:51 PM »
It's a staff discussion matter, no reason to share until it's sorted.
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« on: May 10, 2016, 06:16:23 PM »
Earlier on I did propose a system involving appeals after timeframes and stuff that we are talking about, I think it'll work well.
(N.B. don't critique this message as OMG BAD IDEA because you don't know the whole proposal and you'll look dumb)
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