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501
« on: July 31, 2014, 12:36:59 PM »
I personally think flippers are too low for both Standard and IRL.
They tend to not have very good damage output (obviously) and are often de-weaponed. Also, their setup often depends on multiple external bursts which get hit too easily. I'd argue that they may be better in IRL but in Standard they are extremely average.
502
« on: July 31, 2014, 08:38:52 AM »
For IRL, you should list the flipper's effectiveness in an enclosed arena(combat arena/Battlebox) and an OOTA-able arena (BBEANS arena, DSL tourney arena)
K. Should we get this stickied?
503
« on: July 31, 2014, 02:45:27 AM »
Where's the stock m8?
S TIER:
HS
Popup
SnS (Trinity, SnSnS, flail, etc)
Downward poker
A tier:
Rammer
Hammer
RAD spam HS
B tier:
Poker
Wammer
Wedge VS
Flipper (OOTA arena)
C tier:
Nonwedged VS
Side hammer
Juggler
FS
D tier (aka "oh s*** what are you doing"-tier)
Flail HS
Sawbot
Flipper (enclosed arena)
Triple, quadruple hybrids, most "experimental" bots, etc
Banned tier:
Crawler
e: adding more bot types
Adding to first post, I agree with most stuff on it.
504
« on: July 30, 2014, 05:09:33 PM »
Make a Stock Version!
I am most certainly no expert at the Stock meta, Popups are the best realistically and then HS but everything after that I have no idea about.
505
« on: July 30, 2014, 05:08:41 PM »
flail rammers above all of those xdddd
i wouldn't say trfbd and vs are top picks, since they either have no defences or no weapons. popups and pure out-weaponing bots are the main types now i'd say
VS seem to be one of the few bot types that legitimately don't have any really bad matchups besides SnS since they can often just outweapon HS and SnS/remove their setups.
As for TRFBDs, they only really lose to SnS, but they do lose really badly in that matchup. Basically nothing besides VS other than those can touch them so I'd say they hard counter most bot types.
I could have them behind SnS but eh.
heavy rammers and flail rammers beat vs pretty easily, due to survivability and outweaponing capability. same with trfbds really, since they can't have that many weapons because of their design.
I can see that being true for VS, but not for TRFBDs since rammers just spaz out underneath them or repeatedly damage their top side attacking. I'll move rammers up though and VS down a tad, but I still disagree regarding their capacity to beat TRFBDs, and I'm honestly a tad dubious they'd do well against Disk VS (Given the whole rock paper scissors scenario of static piercing beating out flail piercing)
506
« on: July 30, 2014, 05:01:15 PM »
flail rammers above all of those xdddd
i wouldn't say trfbd and vs are top picks, since they either have no defences or no weapons. popups and pure out-weaponing bots are the main types now i'd say
VS seem to be one of the few bot types that legitimately don't have any really bad matchups besides SnS since they can often just outweapon HS and SnS/remove their setups. As for TRFBDs, they only really lose to SnS, but they do lose really badly in that matchup. Basically nothing besides VS other than those can touch them so I'd say they hard counter most bot types. I could have them behind SnS but eh. Isn't this just like A.D.C?
https://wiki.gametechmods.com/index.php?title=ADC
ADC is too old and indicates a dated metagame I find. Drums are much too high, whilst Shell Spinners are too low and too much is made of the flail distinction which is practically pointless given almost no bots in those types don't use flails.
507
« on: July 30, 2014, 04:56:59 PM »
Yeah they suck bro, everything just kinda eats them
508
« on: July 30, 2014, 04:56:17 PM »
rip Scorpion a true thrashbro
509
« on: July 30, 2014, 04:54:19 PM »
I've recently wondered whether it would be worth composing a rough tier list of which bot types are most effective in each style (stock, DSL standard, IRL). As such I've come up with a basic one for DSL, if that helps. First thing listed in each grouping is the best of that group, with the stuff behind it descending unless a slash is used. DSL StandardDSL Standard HW
Top tier - Popups, SnS, TRFBDs, Disc VS (IE Cash Cow)
High Tier - Shell Spinners, Crawlers, Jugglers, SnSnS, Face Spinners
Upper Mid tier - Gutripping VS, HS, Hammer VS, Hammers, Rammers, Whammers
Lower Mid Tier - Drums, Sawbots, Undercutter HS, Pushers
Low tier - Flying Guillotines, Pokers, Flippers, Side Hammers
DSL Standard MW:
Top tier - Popups, SnS, TRFBDs, Crawlers
High tier - Jugglers, Disk VS, Shell Spinners, Rammers, Gutripping VS, SnSnS
Upper Mid Tier - Face Spinners, HS, Hammer VS, Whammers
Low Mid Tier - Sawbots, Pushers, Undercutter HS, Flying Guillotines
Low Tier - Flippers, Side Hammers
DSL Standard LW:
Top Tier - Popups, SnS, Shell Spinners, VS
High Tier - Crawlers, Jugglers, HS, Rammers, Gutripping HS
Upper Mid Tier - Pushers, Undercutter HS, Flippers
Lower Mid Tier - Sawbots, Whammers, Hammers, TRFBDs
Low tier - Side Hammers
Top Tier - Drums, Disc VS, HS
High Tier - Rammers, Hammers, Shell Spinners
Mid Tier - Flippers (Open Arena)
Low Tier - Side Hammers, Flippers (enclosed arena)
Top Tier:
HS
Popup
SnS (Trinity, SnSnS, flail, etc)
Downward poker
High tier:
Rammer
Juggler
RAD spam HS
Upper Mid Tier:
Hammer
Poker
Wedge VS
Nonwedged VS
Lower Mid Tier:
Wammer
Flipper (OOTA arena)
Side hammer
FS
Low tier (aka "oh s*** what are you doing"-tier)
Flail HS
Sawbot
Flipper (enclosed arena)
Triple, quadruple hybrids, most "experimental" bots, etc
Banned tier:
Crawler
Feel free to contest any of these, I haven't put any thorough testing into this but from my experience the overall success of robots goes sort of in this order. If anyone has ideas for Stock or a more detailed IRL listing (not that it matters outside of Drums being OP) that would be neat.
510
« on: July 27, 2014, 08:28:43 AM »
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Nicely presented but you really need to stop using the end APs of the skirt hinge since they ruin wedges badly
511
« on: July 26, 2014, 05:55:31 AM »
Nicely done, well made building.
512
« on: July 19, 2014, 01:51:28 PM »
513
« on: July 14, 2014, 01:01:32 PM »
I think it's the building sideways thing. I built it sideways so I could completely incase the chassis in the disc shell, to make it very hard to damage. Thx 4 every1's help.
See also: TRFBDs
514
« on: July 14, 2014, 11:56:24 AM »
I think it's just Lucina and Robin, Chrom might be in but eh
515
« on: July 11, 2014, 02:09:47 PM »
Armada will win melee I guess
516
« on: July 06, 2014, 07:19:37 AM »
Recently enterred a fairly big UK tourney. Didn't make it out of pools because I ended up fighting the best Falcon main in the UK and then cheesed in losers against the TO, but I had a great run in friendlies where I destroyed some people who made it into bracket, tried to get a match with Fuzzyness but he was like "naww".
517
« on: July 01, 2014, 02:17:30 PM »
So I built a Last Warrior deck on DN today. Managed to get a first turn LW out, but the other guy ran this insane burn deck that relied on trap cards, so I couldn't do much about it :V
If you are careful you might be able to exploit a Last Decree setup, and then pump the LW really heavy with equip cards (assuming your not using Spatial Collapse as well, which is the funniest card ever to use with LW, especially of the opponent likes his trap cards). I'll see if I can come up with anything clever to do with that. Edit: This would especially work given the ludicrous number of equipable cards that highly benefit warrior types. I can see this being quite strong.
518
« on: June 30, 2014, 03:47:28 PM »
wats the duck
The Stuka's are great for dogfighting once you have decent weapons precisely because they drop like a rock and can do really fast direction changes
519
« on: June 30, 2014, 12:41:04 PM »
I don't play anymore mostly due to having no more good internet connection outside of work.
Also I changed my ideas... dive bombers mostly suck so the manliest class is Attacker or Heavy Fighter.
Stuka's are still awesome. I wish they all get sirens instead of just the first one (which mostly sucks)
Started playing about a month ago, mostly just use German planes, but got a Soviet set with a Chaika and so on for low level servers
That is good. Germany is the best, l33test nation.
Chaika's are a great amount of fun when fully upgraded but they're best used to troll tier 2 or 3 instead of clubbing everything at tier 1.
Once I got killed in my Do217N1 by one. I was indeed rustled >:O
Yeah, my setup for Germany is: BF109 E-1 BF109 F-1 and 2 Fw190 And the second tier Stuka.
520
« on: June 29, 2014, 04:45:01 PM »
Started playing about a month ago, mostly just use German planes, but got a Soviet set with a Chaika and so on for low level servers
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