The General Chatter Thread.

[Sparkey98]

Usually this is when I post an Oatmeal comic, but he dosn't have any about the wii

[Noodle]

My family has a Wii and a 360.  Everyone who plays video games in my house (me, my dad, and my three younger brothers) like the 360 better and use it a lot more.  Hell, the old one got the RROD and we bought a new one.

I think the reason why is because once you get past the fact that you can move your arms around and stuff happens, the Wii doesn't really have much more to offer.  The graphics are sub-par and most of the games available for the Wii are either shovel-ware, intended for children, or just games that are nothing more than "LOOK IT DOES STUFF WHEN YOU MOVE YOUR ARM!"

That, and the Xbox 360 has Halo 3.  Halo 3 is a ridiculously stupid game, but if your part of a family of six with three brothers, the four player split-screen is just a great thing to have.

[Natef]

I have a Wii,a GCN, a PS2, a DS, a DSi, and a mac that runs windows vista.

I only use my Wii for Virtual Console games, and occasionally Mario Kart Wii or SSBB.

[frezal]

I think the reason why is because once you get past the fact that you can move your arms around and stuff happens, the Wii doesn't really have much more to offer.  The graphics are sub-par and most of the games available for the Wii are either shovel-ware, intended for children, or just games that are nothing more than "LOOK IT DOES STUFF WHEN YOU MOVE YOUR ARM!"

But the Wii also has all of the great Nintendo first party titles like Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Metroid Prime, Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 (some of the best games ever made), Zelda, New Super Mario Bros., and so on.

[R0B0SH4RK]

Mario Kart: Double Dash for GCN > MK for the Wii, SSB Melee > SSB Brawl, and the N64 Zelda titles are still the best IMO. Also, I wouldn't even consider putting the New Super Mario Bros. in the same thought as "great." It's a glorified 2-d sidescroller taken from a handheld system and shoehorned to fit a console.

I was an avid Nintendo guy until the Wii came out. I loved my Gamecube, so I was pumped for the release of the Wii. Getting the thing and playing it was a bitter, bitter dissapointment. The way I see it, the Wii was Nintendo once again looking ahead in the gaming industry. It saw Microsoft and Sony engaging it in a dogfight over the niche market of gamers, and it saw Xbox and Playstation's success. The Wii was never intended to please the following that Nintendo had worked so hard to build, it was never intended for the market that it had all but created - Nintendo saw a shrinking share of the marketplace and designed and marketed to a completely new one: the "casual" gamer. Consequently, by alienating the gaming faithful that grew up on Pokemon and the Mario Bros, they made their console the single most successful one on the marketplace with stuff like Wii Fit.

I don't fault Nintendo, but "gamers" like the Xbox and PS3 better by design. We weren't the Wii's target consumer group.

[Noodle]

I think the reason why is because once you get past the fact that you can move your arms around and stuff happens, the Wii doesn't really have much more to offer.  The graphics are sub-par and most of the games available for the Wii are either shovel-ware, intended for children, or just games that are nothing more than "LOOK IT DOES STUFF WHEN YOU MOVE YOUR ARM!"

But the Wii also has all of the great Nintendo first party titles like Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Metroid Prime, Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 (some of the best games ever made), Zelda, New Super Mario Bros., and so on.

I said most of the games.  Still, none of the titles you named really appeal to me either.  I might've given brawl another chance were it not the only reason to go dust off the Wii and plug it in again.

I never was a huge fan of all the Mario stuff either.  I mean, I liked the first few Mario games I got but after a while it just started to seem like the same old stuff being presented to me with the occasional graphics improvement or some other added gimmick.  I just grew sick of it.

When you get down to the core game mechanics, it's the same for most of the Mario games; you run around, hop on enemies heads, and jump across platforms and the such.  I guess there's nothing necessarily wrong with this, it's just that I prefer the simple core mechanics of a first-person shooter, in which the player runs around a shoots people.

[frezal]

Mario Kart: Double Dash for GCN > MK for the Wii

WHA? I didn't know it was possible for somebody to take that position.

SSB Melee > SSB Brawl

But Brawl takes the mechanics of Melee and gives you a whole lot more.

and the N64 Zelda titles are still the best IMO.

They were the best, but that doesn't mean the news ones aren't better than most of the games out there.

Also, I wouldn't even consider putting the New Super Mario Bros. in the same thought as "great." It's a glorified 2-d sidescroller taken from a handheld system and shoehorned to fit a console.

You say "glorified 2-d sidecroller" as if that's a bad thing.

I was an avid Nintendo guy until the Wii came out. I loved my Gamecube, so I was pumped for the release of the Wii. Getting the thing and playing it was a bitter, bitter dissapointment. The way I see it, the Wii was Nintendo once again looking ahead in the gaming industry. It saw Microsoft and Sony engaging it in a dogfight over the niche market of gamers, and it saw Xbox and Playstation's success. The Wii was never intended to please the following that Nintendo had worked so hard to build, it was never intended for the market that it had all but created - Nintendo saw a shrinking share of the marketplace and designed and marketed to a completely new one: the "casual" gamer. Consequently, by alienating the gaming faithful that grew up on Pokemon and the Mario Bros, they made their console the single most successful one on the marketplace with stuff like Wii Fit.

I don't fault Nintendo, but "gamers" like the Xbox and PS3 better by design. We weren't the Wii's target consumer group.

I'm so tired of that argument. "Gamer" gamers need to chill out and stop taking this sh** so seriously. Oh, and how can you love the GameCube but hate casual titles? The GameCube was full of them! (100 Mario Party games, 100 Mario Sports titles, 2 Donkey Kongas, Mario DDR, WarioWare, Pac Man VS, and the list could go on.)

I said most of the games.  Still, none of the titles you named really appeal to me either.  I might've given brawl another chance were it not the only reason to go dust off the Wii and plug it in again.

I never was a huge fan of all the Mario stuff either.  I mean, I liked the first few Mario games I got but after a while it just started to seem like the same old stuff being presented to me with the occasional graphics improvement or some other added gimmick.  I just grew sick of it.

When you get down to the core game mechanics, it's the same for most of the Mario games; you run around, hop on enemies heads, and jump across platforms and the such.  I guess there's nothing necessarily wrong with this, it's just that I prefer the simple core mechanics of a first-person shooter, in which the player runs around a shoots people.

You like first person shooters, but don't like Mario because it's the same old stuff presented with occasional graphics improvements? That makes no sense. The game mechanics of shooters have remained basically the same since Doom!

[Noodle]

You like first person shooters, but don't like Mario because it's the same old stuff presented with occasional graphics improvements? That makes no sense. The game mechanics of shooters have remained basically the same since Doom!

Like I said, it's just what I prefer.  I said that the simple game mechanics of Mario (jumping on stuff) doesn't appeal to me, whereas those of first person shooters (running around and shooting people) does.

[frezal]

Like I said, it's just what I prefer.  I said that the simple game mechanics of Mario (jumping on stuff) doesn't appeal to me, whereas those of first person shooters (running around and shooting people) does.

I have no problem with that. I was objecting to your argument that Mario is stale when the genre of your preference is equally as stale. It seems like every shooter these days is a CoD clone. Don't they know I'd prefer nothing but Goldeneye clones?

[Noodle]

Like I said, it's just what I prefer.  I said that the simple game mechanics of Mario (jumping on stuff) doesn't appeal to me, whereas those of first person shooters (running around and shooting people) does.

I have no problem with that. I was objecting to your argument that Mario is stale when the genre of your preference is equally as stale. It seems like every shooter these days is a CoD clone. Don't they know I'd prefer nothing but Goldeneye clones?

Call of Duty is just stupid.  Every Call of Duty since Modern Warfare has been getting more and more over the top ridiculous, and if the next game follows this trend its going to be so incredibly stupid, words cannot be found to properly describe it.  I mean, look at Modern Warfare 2; I've dominated people by running around behind a riot shield and throwing knives at them.

/rant

Still, there are some Call of Duty "clones" that can pull it off.  Battlefield: Bad Company 2 was a great game, it took some of the base elements of Call of Duty and cut out the crappy theatrical nonsense.

Either way, I'll stick to Counter Strike: Source.  I can map for it and it plays a lot differently than Call of Duty.

[Sage]

The whole awesomeness of the Wii is that you are actually holding the gun in your hands,    not just controlling it with a joystick. This effect is even further exemplified when you get one of those gun attachment things (Link's crossbow training). This dynamic is present in no other system besides the arcade games.

That said, the FPS on the 360 and PS3 are much more detailed, fluid, and deep. Hopefully the upcoming releases of The Conduit 2 and Goldeneye: Wii can even the playing field.

[090901]

Sparkey said on Transformice he got a record deal.
XD

[Sparkey98]

WHAT HAPPENS THERE STAYS

[GoldenFox93]

Transformice fails and sucks eggs.




Yep, I'm bad.

[090901]

Then don't say it sparkey.

[frezal]

The whole awesomeness of the Wii is that you are actually holding the gun in your hands,    not just controlling it with a joystick. This effect is even further exemplified when you get one of those gun attachment things (Link's crossbow training). This dynamic is present in no other system besides the arcade games.

That said, the FPS on the 360 and PS3 are much more detailed, fluid, and deep. Hopefully the upcoming releases of The Conduit 2 and Goldeneye: Wii can even the playing field.

Metroid Prime 3, while more of an adventure game, is a fine shooter. I love the controls!

[GoldenFox93]

The whole awesomeness of the Wii is that you are actually holding the gun in your hands,   not just controlling it with a joystick. This effect is even further exemplified when you get one of those gun attachment things (Link's crossbow training). This dynamic is present in no other system besides the arcade games.

That said, the FPS on the 360 and PS3 are much more detailed, fluid, and deep. Hopefully the upcoming releases of The Conduit 2 and Goldeneye: Wii can even the playing field.

Metroid Prime 3, while more of an adventure game, is a fine shooter. I love the controls!

I'm considering getting that actually. I mean, I've got Metroid Prime 2 (Even if it did take me a long time to defeat the Boost Guardian), so I might look into it.

[Sage]

Just get the Metroid prime collection for wii. they retrofitted the first two games with the same controls as the third, and released it as one game for the same price.

[inplabth]

The Metroid Prime series was amazing from the first to the last. I enjoyed every one of those games. Unfortunately, I had to play Corruption at a friend's because I don't have and current-gen consoles.

[frezal]

Just get the Metroid prime collection for wii. they retrofitted the first two games with the same controls as the third, and released it as one game for the same price.

And it includes a kick ass metal case with in-game achievements for all three titles. Oh, and widescreen!