Noob questions

[Naryar]

DSL 2.1 for everyone to be happ... oh, wait...

After careful planning, the SUPER UBER version of NAR AI will be DSL 2.1 for your inferior minds not to have to conform to the grandeur of a mod.

[thestaggy]

Here's another question that I am assuming may be pretty stupid but I thought it may also be my problem with the RobotWars Pack. When I extract all the new RobotWars folders, some of the new stuff uses the same name as the existing stuff. Example; extract the RobotWars components and there is file called "Caster", while there is an existing stock file called "Caster" as well. Now, do I overwrite the existing file, or do I rename it and keep both?

I've never had a problem with a mod before, mainly because this one has no readme nor does it sort itself out.

[Sage]

I feel like a wimp for just playing DSL now.

I don't play stock anymore, but yet don't feel like a wimp for this !

Yes, but you've dedicated yourself to be great at DSL, I simply stopped playing stock because I found it boring.
And, to go against the grain, i'd prefer to be average at both rather than just average at DSL

I stopped played stock ALSO because it is boring when you have tasted DSL.

Yeah, also innovation is a lot more common in DSL, most stock bots just look the same if they're a popup and a mess if they're not.
We'll see though, i'll try to make something interesting in stock, for now, back to helping the new guy.

LAWLS more innovation? There are still new innovations in stock, even after 7 years.

[Scorpion]

I feel like a wimp for just playing DSL now.

I don't play stock anymore, but yet don't feel like a wimp for this !

Yes, but you've dedicated yourself to be great at DSL, I simply stopped playing stock because I found it boring.
And, to go against the grain, i'd prefer to be average at both rather than just average at DSL

I stopped played stock ALSO because it is boring when you have tasted DSL.

Yeah, also innovation is a lot more common in DSL, most stock bots just look the same if they're a popup and a mess if they're not.
We'll see though, i'll try to make something interesting in stock, for now, back to helping the new guy.

LAWLS more innovation? There are still new innovations in stock, even after 7 years.

EFFECTIVE innovaation.

[123savethewhales]

Lol I don't see much of that in DSL........

[NFX]

The way I see it in DSL (I'm probably wrong again on this one), you've got the tried, tested and perfected designs, such as popups, jugglers, SnS and the like, and then you have the as-yet-untrialled designs such as JoeBlo's Xception, and S_M's wierd underpoker design.

The trouble is, most of the new design are going to need quite a lot of refining, and the older designs are so far ahead of them that most new designs tend to die quite early as we spend too much time trying to iron out problems in them, encounter or create new ones, or eventually merge the bot into a design that's incredibly similar to what's around now, a bit like the Wheels Are Tasty series has done.

There's still members like Naryar and Somebody who try and add a new tweak on an existing style of bot, but I'm not entirely certain that's a particularly significant step forward in bot building. But at least it is progress, which is very good in a game that's seven years old.

[JoeBlo]

eh both have generic stuff and both have original stuff

DSL does have more options in pure construction possibles..

you cant deny it.. you have extenders with AP's only on one side vs extenders, flipper segments, shell pieces, disc's, etc

no doubt someone will return with the comment "it takes more skill in stock"  well aside for the simple amount of parts they are both fine in there own ways.. its really apples and oranges,

nothing will ever come of this ever going debate because I can guarantee 100% of the community will never agree what game is better...

[Squirrel_Monkey]

and then you have the as-yet-untrialled designs such as JoeBlo's Xception, and S_M's wierd underpoker design.

What

[Pwnator]

and then you have the as-yet-untrialled designs such as JoeBlo's Xception, and S_M's wierd underpoker design.

What

I think it was Cologne (or Perfume or whatever).

[Naryar]

Probably a gut-ripping poker ?

And Cologne is a Flying Guillotine ripoff IIRC.

[Squirrel_Monkey]

and then you have the as-yet-untrialled designs such as JoeBlo's Xception, and S_M's wierd underpoker design.

What

I think it was Cologne (or Perfume or whatever).

Cologne

That's just a LW Flying Guillotine. 123's idea.
  It could Be made cubed!

[G.K.]

I think it was Cologne (or Perfume or whatever).

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[NFX]

and then you have the as-yet-untrialled designs such as JoeBlo's Xception, and S_M's wierd underpoker design.

What

It had wheels on stilts, and a piston with some razors on it facing downwards, so when the opponent went for the chassis, it would drive underneath and get razor'd from above. For some reason it had two seperate smartzones.

[Squirrel_Monkey]

and then you have the as-yet-untrialled designs such as JoeBlo's Xception, and S_M's wierd underpoker design.

What

It had wheels on stilts, and a piston with some razors on it facing downwards, so when the opponent went for the chassis, it would drive underneath and get razor'd from above. For some reason it had two seperate smartzones.

That was in Stock , Encroaching Darkness I believe.

[NFX]

That was Stock? I'm sure it was DSL...might be wrong, though.

[Squirrel_Monkey]

This?

[NFX]

Yes, that is what I was thinking of. =]

[Naryar]

get razor'd

*meme detected*

[Spinner Bot]

Hey everyone. I have 3 questions that are partially nobody.
1. What are people using to take pictures of their bots? I have no idea so plz help me.
2. We really need some more stock tournaments. Stock is a lost art now that needs to be appreciated more. If anyone can look into that and possibly start on that would be great.
3. How do people get the zteck (I think that's what it is) motors to lay on their back other than facing off to the sides. Same with the batteries? Plz respond I really appreciate it.

[NFX]

1. If you press F11 in-game, you get a picture in the Screenshot folder. Unfortunately, it's saved as quite a memory-consuming Bitmap file, so we tend to convert it to .png before we upload it.
2. Stock Tournaments are kinda few and far between, given the fairly low amount of components you can use compared to DSL, and the most effective designs are commonly extremely similar (HS/Popups tend to win most Stock Tournaments). BTTB3 is a Stock tourney, however, maybe it'll rectify the balance slightly.
3. In the Bot Lab, there's a small preview image of the component next to its description. On the preview image, there's a small green node, which is the point where it attaches to the baseplate or other component. If you hold the left mouse button and drag in the preview image, the preview should rotate, and you should see another attachment point on the back of the Z-Tek.

Hope this helps.