the state of gaming...

[System32]

My point is they are selling basically the same game to people who continue to fork out money for the same stuff. There is not much changing in the genre so why do people continue to buy the games?

You used Gamespot as a source.
 
Would you like to top that off with the Daily Mail and Fox news?
 

Pokemon has changed over the years, and most the games have added new stuff whether it's breeding, new types of pokemon, a load of new pokemon, a new region with new gyms to battle it's all fresh. You can't imagine an FPS game changing much because they have been stuck for so long now thanks to the modern war/military shooters.
 

Actually, Gameplay =/= aesthetics. Your argument is over looks. You cannot seriously bring pokemon (A videogame who's most recent aasthetic change was going 3D) in an argument over looks.

[doublestrand]

But even in the RPG market there is some crap :L

It seems the handheld and PC gaming is the way to go lately, consul games are not pulling me like the used to.
The last game I remember buying was Final Fantasy XIII, I sold it because the story didn't hook me and was no challenge at all and I am seeing more games like this...

Planetside I think it is called the MMOFPS

[ianh05]

You used Gamespot as a source.
 
Would you like to top that off with the Daily Mail and Fox news?


I'm clearly not the only person with this opinion is all that's meant to say. There are lots of people out there who want new gameplay not just new skins/maps. Even in world of warcraft people complain when a pvp map is the same game type with only the map changed, it gets very boring.
 
Actually, Gameplay =/= aesthetics. Your argument is over looks. You cannot seriously bring pokemon (A videogame who's most recent aasthetic change was going 3D) in an argument over looks.


I didn't bring pokemon into the argument >.> that's not even a genre.

Pet training/battle RPGs games have new settings/maps, have new enemies, have new characters, have new skills and even new gameplay.

Military FPS games have new maps, new campaign and sometimes new guns and new multi-player modes. it's more difficult to add new enemies that stand out based on the human race alone, it's had to give players new skills when all the do is shoot stuff.

But even in the RPG market there is some crap :L

It seems the handheld and PC gaming is the way to go lately, consul games are not pulling me like the used to.
The last game I remember buying was Final Fantasy XIII, I sold it because the story didn't hook me and was no challenge at all and I am seeing more games like this...

Planetside I think it is called the MMOFPS

I just can't wait until the Wii U is released, I'm interested to see how different the new gamepad can make games (especially the FPS genre).

[Kossokei]

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Are we headed for another video game crash?
Are people to silly to realise what crud they are buying?
Why do people buy all these War shooters when they are all pretty much the same game?
Is online gaming to blame due to people thinking they need to keep up to date?


People should stop spending money on the same game and stick to what they have already and get behind innovative games and systems otherwise future generations will have very few choices.

For the record, the Medal of Honor and Call of Duty series' were always exactly the same as each other.

[System32]

I'm clearly not the only person with this opinion is all that's meant to say. There are lots of people out there who want new gameplay not just new skins/maps. Even in world of warcraft people complain when a pvp map is the same game type with only the map changed, it gets very boring.

LOL some people have opinions about blacks.
 
Like you, they are idiots.
 
 

Pet training/battle RPGs games have new settings/maps, have new enemies, have new characters, have new skills and even new gameplay.

Military FPS games have new maps, new campaign and sometimes new guns and new multi-player modes. it's more difficult to add new enemies that stand out based on the human race alone, it's had to give players new skills when all the do is shoot stuff.

Exactly.
 
Military FPS is flooding the market as much as Justin bieber is becoming the king dictator of modern music. It isn't happening, it's in your head, something's wrong with you, you are paranoid, THE FREQUENCY OF SOMETHING BEING MENTIONED BY MAINSTREAM DOES NOT IN ANY WAY MEAN THAT THE MARKET IS BEING OVERRUN BY SAID SOMETHING, AND IF YOU DO THINK THAT YOUR OPINION IS STUPID, INVALID AND YOU SHOULDN'T EVER, EVER TELL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING YOUR OPINIONS EVER AGAIN.
 

[Natef]

Sys has a point there.

[Enigm@]

I'm clearly not the only person with this opinion is all that's meant to say. There are lots of people out there who want new gameplay not just new skins/maps. Even in world of warcraft people complain when a pvp map is the same game type with only the map changed, it gets very boring.

LOL some people have opinions about blacks.
 
Like you, they are idiots.
 
 

Pet training/battle RPGs games have new settings/maps, have new enemies, have new characters, have new skills and even new gameplay.

Military FPS games have new maps, new campaign and sometimes new guns and new multi-player modes. it's more difficult to add new enemies that stand out based on the human race alone, it's had to give players new skills when all the do is shoot stuff.

Exactly.
 
Military FPS is flooding the market as much as Justin bieber is becoming the king dictator of modern music. It isn't happening, it's in your head, something's wrong with you, you are paranoid, THE FREQUENCY OF SOMETHING BEING MENTIONED BY MAINSTREAM DOES NOT IN ANY WAY MEAN THAT THE MARKET IS BEING OVERRUN BY SAID SOMETHING, AND IF YOU DO THINK THAT YOUR OPINION IS STUPID, INVALID AND YOU SHOULDN'T EVER, EVER TELL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING YOUR OPINIONS EVER AGAIN.

Brutal honesty.

This is why I like you.

[Badnik96]

This is why I only play Nintendo and RA2. Too many generic shooters. Although Duty Calls is rather hilarious.

[Naryar]

Scourge's opinion on "RPG's" clearly means "JRPG's". Yes, most RPG's have this plotline, of someone quite insignificant saving the world. But most of the best ones doesn't.

Although it does not mean a game with this ultra-cliched plotline cannot be good.

Anyways, what S32 is trying to say is that the facts that war FPS are being really heavily marketed doesn't mean they're the only games out there, and that all the videogame industry is being focused on them.

[madman3]

and you call my opinion bias...


Modern = Check
To do with war = Check
Shooters = check


quit trying to derail this thread, I'm ignoring you now as I see where you stand on it and will wait to have an intelligent conversation with someone else.

Counter Strike isn't original in setting but works far better than any other FPS and is quite a lot older than the pack of modern FPS currently about.

Also, while FPS are common their popularity is dropping simply because there isn't a market for redundant products.
Also, despite what Sys says, there is a declining sense of originality in mainstream games. Mass Effect did little but degrade from its strengths as an rpg, MMOs are becoming too cliched and many other RPGs such as Kingdoms Of Amalur and Skyrim lack lasting factor due to the limitations of sandbox games and unoriginal settings and environments (to be honest, I wouldn't mind a western RPG with the same context as a JRPG due to the more imaginative settings in the latter).
The whole idea of Sanbox games that are appearing, while completely non-linear and explorable, lack continuity and missions lack relevance relative to each other, and the characters are too numerous to be particularly good. It's like a good book or film; try and cram as much in as possible simply makes you lose interest.

[Meganerdbomb]

This is just one genre. Genres will always look similar to each other and have similar plotlines. They're called cliches and they suck, but the public like them for some reason

Take, for example, the RPG market

Most of the JRPGs out there, especially the famous ones, follow this kind of route:

Normal kid, usually aged 10-13, is tasked with saving the world through some means or another, and does so

This easily fits:
- Golden Sun series
- Pokemon series
- Final Fantasy series
- Digimon series

and debatably fits:
- Luminous Arc series
- Radiant Historia
- Tactics Ogre series
- Dragon Quest series

and many others

The thing that separates these is graphics - some have 2D, some have 3D. Besides that, the core plotline is the same, battles are turn-based, yadda yadda

The point is, nothing's original any more. It's how you wrap up the core with other things, like graphics, sound, other features, gamepaly. That's what makes it unique


And FPS lost that a long time ago, in my opinion

FTFY


All the good RPGs are western these days, like the Witcher and Elder Scrolls games.


Also, this thread is totally ripped from a Cracked article.

[madman3]

This is just one genre. Genres will always look similar to each other and have similar plotlines. They're called cliches and they suck, but the public like them for some reason

Take, for example, the RPG market

Most of the JRPGs out there, especially the famous ones, follow this kind of route:

Normal kid, usually aged 10-13, is tasked with saving the world through some means or another, and does so

This easily fits:
- Golden Sun series
- Pokemon series
- Final Fantasy series
- Digimon series

and debatably fits:
- Luminous Arc series
- Radiant Historia
- Tactics Ogre series
- Dragon Quest series

and many others

The thing that separates these is graphics - some have 2D, some have 3D. Besides that, the core plotline is the same, battles are turn-based, yadda yadda

The point is, nothing's original any more. It's how you wrap up the core with other things, like graphics, sound, other features, gamepaly. That's what makes it unique


And FPS lost that a long time ago, in my opinion

FTFY


All the good RPGs are western these days, like the Witcher and Elder Scrolls games.


Also, this thread is totally ripped from a Cracked article.

Dunno about Elder Scrolls but the Witcher 2 is a sexy, sexy game. In more ways than one :P
The issue is that when someone says RPG, one almost automatically expects a fantasy RPG rather than a Sci-FI RPG simply due to the genre stereotypes. A more original setting in either a more futuristic area (Deus Ex) or an ancient one (like ancient Egypt) would be much more original and connectible than yet another Tolkien fantasy.

[Meganerdbomb]

Fallout is a great scfi RPG, and so is Mass Effect, though I can't speak from experience so much on that one.

My point is they are selling basically the same game to people who continue to fork out money for the same stuff. There is not much changing in the genre so why do people continue to buy the games?


Pokemon has changed over the years

>10-year-old kid sets out to become a Pokemon master by collecting all the gym badges and eventually defeating the Champion. Also, at some point he has to stop an evil team that wants to use Pokemon for nefarious purposes.


 

[madman3]

Fallout is a great RPG with a nontraditional setting.

My point is they are selling basically the same game to people who continue to fork out money for the same stuff. There is not much changing in the genre so why do people continue to buy the games?


Pokemon has changed over the years

>10-year-old kid sets out to become a Pokemon master by collecting all the gym badges and eventually defeating the Champion. Also, at some point he has to stop an evil team that wants to use Pokemon for nefarious purposes.


 

Fallout is a little to sanboxy for my liking, but it's still very good.
And yes, I really doubt the "advancement" of Pokemon, it's really not developed beyond any sort of superficial way.

[Natef]

Fallout is a great RPG with a nontraditional setting.

My point is they are selling basically the same game to people who continue to fork out money for the same stuff. There is not much changing in the genre so why do people continue to buy the games?


Pokemon has changed over the years

>10-year-old kid sets out to become a Pokemon master by collecting all the gym badges and eventually defeating the Champion. Also, at some point he has to stop an evil team that wants to use Pokemon for nefarious purposes.


 

Fallout is a little to sanboxy for my liking, but it's still very good.
And yes, I really doubt the "advancement" of Pokemon, it's really not developed beyond any sort of superficial way.

Freaking yes.

[Meganerdbomb]

why not try and blend MMORPG elements with shooters? have players group up to take down specific groups etc. and give the bosses more stuff to do instead of just shooting, I mean come on people are more creative then that these days.

I believe it's already been done

A military FPSMMORPG complete different classes, city raids and stuff? please link O.o I was thinking about how the classes would work etc.



-Medic (Med kits/Needles/Injectors, healer/dps)
-Sniper (Sniper rifles, long range burst dps)
-Gunslinger (pistols/revolvers, close range burst dps)
-Heavy gunner (Chainguns/Rocket lauchers, AoE dps/tank)
-Soldier (Machine guns/SMG's, close range sustained dps)
-Demolisher (mines/c-4/grenades, AoE dps/tank)
-Commando (Shotguns/rifles/knives, close range dps)

  http://www.planetside2.com/
It's not actually released yet, but soon.

[ianh05]

Fallout is a great RPG with a nontraditional setting.

My point is they are selling basically the same game to people who continue to fork out money for the same stuff. There is not much changing in the genre so why do people continue to buy the games?


Pokemon has changed over the years

>10-year-old kid sets out to become a Pokemon master by collecting all the gym badges and eventually defeating the Champion. Also, at some point he has to stop an evil team that wants to use Pokemon for nefarious purposes.


 

Fallout is a little to sanboxy for my liking, but it's still very good.
And yes, I really doubt the "advancement" of Pokemon, it's really not developed beyond any sort of superficial way.

but again pokemon isn't a genre, it's a series and series aren't meant to be completely different games and it still adds new pokemon etc. every game which in turn adds new strategies. Imagine if 6+ RPG's from different developers were modern day and set in our world with the same characters everytime.


I like playing new characters, I like using new skills, I like having new worlds to explore, I like having new enemies to defeat and new bosses to battle against, you just don't get this from modern military shooters. Sure it's hard to add new stuff but if you can't add new stuff then just don't make so many of them and make room for other games on the shelves and in the media.


Borderlands is a great example of a fresh FPS, why don't these developers try to be more original by creating something different? It's like pong cloning all over again lol.

[Meganerdbomb]

The same reason Hollywood keeps releasing sequels and comic book movies, it's safer. Look at Bulletstorm; it was a great game and got great reviews, but it didn't do so well sales-wise. People don't want to waste money on a game they might not like, especially in a tough economy, so they're less likely to try something new. Call of Duty meanwhile keeps breaking sales records by giving gamers more of what they want, which is more Call of Duty. They add some new features like new weapons, new killstreaks, new game modes, etc,  update the graphics and maybe continue the campaign mode storyline, and people will buy it because they liked the last one. The next Call of Duty is actually going to be changing things up a bit by being set in the near future and having a single-player mode with some actual player choice. But, Sys32 is right, military fps games are just a niche market, albeit a large one, there's still tons of other games, and the dominance of military fps games does not mean the death of innovation in gaming.

[ianh05]

I see his point, I still think it would be nice for at least 2 of the developers to stop with the military FPS series and do something different or just make room for other games that don't get recognition because of them. With games like beyond: two souls, last of us and watch dogs coming out I think sales will drop for call of duty etc. then maybe a few of those companies will bring out brand new IPs instead.

[wakkydude]

I see his point, I still think it would be nice for at least 2 of the developers to stop with the military FPS series and do something different or just make room for other games that don't get recognition because of them. With games like beyond: two souls, last of us and watch dogs coming out I think sales will drop for call of duty etc. then maybe a few of those companies will bring out brand new IPs instead.

Shooters make money. Companies exist to make money. New IPs cost lots of money if they go wrong. That's how every industry works, like it or not.