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Title: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on June 26, 2012, 06:23:41 AM
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Are we headed for another video game crash?
Are people to silly to realise what crud they are buying?
Why do people buy all these War shooters when they are all pretty much the same game?
Is online gaming to blame due to people thinking they need to keep up to date?


People should stop spending money on the same game and stick to what they have already and get behind innovative games and systems otherwise future generations will have very few choices.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Pwnator on June 26, 2012, 06:36:04 AM
BLOOD ON SCREEN

so real
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on June 26, 2012, 06:39:32 AM
BLOOD ON SCREEN

so real


considering they are first person views, unless the blood is in your eyes and you can still see clearly then it's not realistic :P
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Pwnator on June 26, 2012, 06:42:39 AM
Actually I was quoting Duty Calls but yeah, you can't really have much creative room when it comes to war shooters. But then, I never understood the appeal of war shooters anyway when you can go over-the-top like Bulletstorm.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on June 26, 2012, 06:46:13 AM
I like Battlefield 3.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on June 26, 2012, 06:50:25 AM
Actually I was quoting Duty Calls but yeah, you can't really have much creative room when it comes to war shooters. But then, I never understood the appeal of war shooters anyway when you can go over-the-top like Bulletstorm.


Oh I remember that video lol. I understand the appeal it has to people but I don't know why they buy so many different games that are so similar.


People liked Doom and duke nukem because they were so over the top and the FPS genre was still very new, these modern war shooters have like no creativity in them at all.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Pwnator on June 26, 2012, 06:52:45 AM
Don't think I know what Duty Calls is :/

ENLIGHTENMENT TIME

It was made by the developers of Bulletstorm to make fun of other war shooters at the time (including CoD, of course). And you can download it for free, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_msAKWdOs#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_msAKWdOs#ws)
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Post by: System32 on June 26, 2012, 06:55:42 AM
Fixed your title there.
 
Limbo, Minecraft, God of War1, 2, 3, Borderlands 1, 2, Warhammer: Dawn of War, Team Fortess 2, Pixeljunk Shooter, Risen 2, Mass Effect 1, 2, 3, Sim City, Marvel vs Capcom, Braid...
 
This thread is stupid, biased and fails on a logical basis.
 
You took a subgenre of the FPS genre and called it all of gaming. Please break your discs and never set foot near videogames again.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on June 26, 2012, 06:56:30 AM
I'd like to hear your reasoning, sys.
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Post by: ianh05 on June 26, 2012, 06:58:24 AM
Fixed your title there.
 
Limbo, Minecraft, God of War1, 2, 3, Borderlands 1, 2, Warhammer: Dawn of War, Team Fortess 2, Pixeljunk Shooter, Risen 2, Mass Effect 1, 2, 3, Sim City, Marvel vs Capcom, Braid...
 
This thread is stupid, biased and fails on a logical basis.


what? you can't tell me that having a bunch of different gaming series all pretty much the same that are flooding the gaming market isn't a bad thing.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on June 26, 2012, 07:00:42 AM
I'd like to hear your reasoning, sys.

Calling a subgrenre the "future of gaming" is so insultingly stupid everytime it happens Peter Jackson gets brain cancer.
 
Fixed your title there.

Limbo, Minecraft, God of War1, 2, 3, Borderlands 1, 2, Warhammer: Dawn of War, Team Fortess 2, Pixeljunk Shooter, Risen 2, Mass Effect 1, 2, 3, Sim City, Marvel vs Capcom, Braid...

This thread is stupid, biased and fails on a logical basis.
what? you can't tell me that having a bunch of different gaming series all pretty much the same that are flooding the gaming market isn't a bad thing.

It isn't flooding any market, retard. They are niche games with high publicity because the niche they market is large.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on June 26, 2012, 07:06:42 AM
not flooding the market? ok then let's list the modern war shooters for ya...


Counter-strike
Call of Duty
Battlefield
Medal of Honor
Rainbow Six
Ghost Recon
and more...

they pretty much all have a load of squeals too! 6 franchises, all pretty much still releasing games in a single sub-genre. You can quit with the name calling too.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on June 26, 2012, 07:23:36 AM
not flooding the market? ok then let's list the modern war shooters for ya...


Counter-strike
Call of Duty
Battlefield
Medal of Honor
Rainbow Six
Ghost Recon
and more...

they pretty much all have a load of squeals too! 6 franchises, all pretty much still releasing games in a single sub-genre. You can quit with the name calling too.

HAVE YOU EVEN PLAYED THESE GAMES YOU MORON?
 
Counter strike, Battlefield, Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six have waaaaay less in common with the genre you are complaining about, and even with the recent additions, Counter Strike is so absolutely different it might as well be goddamn alien.
 
Edit: Counter strike's latest version:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qBrvgKMar4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qBrvgKMar4)
 
MW3:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tPNUhtOVLM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tPNUhtOVLM)
 
 
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on June 26, 2012, 07:29:59 AM
and you call my opinion bias...


Modern = Check
To do with war = Check
Shooters = check


quit trying to derail this thread, I'm ignoring you now as I see where you stand on it and will wait to have an intelligent conversation with someone else.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on June 26, 2012, 07:53:10 AM
Modern = Check
To do with war = Check
Shooters = check

Holy heck that is a seriously stupid way to give logic.
 
You are the dumbest person on GTM. You deserve a medal, and some pop-up books.
 
LOL THE MARKET IS BEING FLOODED WITH ROBOT GAEMS
 
Look, Robot Arena, The Robot Wars games, Roboforge, Bot Arena!
 
Let's see:
 
Has robots = CHECK
Build robots = CHECK
fight robots = CHECK
 
SEE TOTALLY FLOODED MARKET DERP LOL
 
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Scourge of teh Galaxy on June 26, 2012, 07:54:27 AM
This is just one genre. Genres will always look similar to each other and have similar plotlines. They're called cliches and they suck, but the public like them for some reason

Take, for example, the RPG market

Most of the RPGs out there, especially the famous ones, follow this kind of route:

Normal kid, usually aged 10-13, is tasked with saving the world through some means or another, and does so

This easily fits:
- Golden Sun series
- Pokemon series
- Final Fantasy series
- Digimon series

and debatably fits:
- Luminous Arc series
- Radiant Historia
- Tactics Ogre series
- Dragon Quest series

and many others

The thing that separates these is graphics - some have 2D, some have 3D. Besides that, the core plotline is the same, battles are turn-based, yadda yadda

The point is, nothing's original any more. It's how you wrap up the core with other things, like graphics, sound, other features, gamepaly. That's what makes it unique


And FPS lost that a long time ago, in my opinion
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on June 26, 2012, 08:16:29 AM
http://au.gamespot.com/battlefield-3/videos/military-shooter-genre-fatigue-6347058/ (http://au.gamespot.com/battlefield-3/videos/military-shooter-genre-fatigue-6347058/)


My point is they are selling basically the same game to people who continue to fork out money for the same stuff. There is not much changing in the genre so why do people continue to buy the games?


Pokemon has changed over the years, and most the games have added new stuff whether it's breeding, new types of pokemon, a load of new pokemon, a new region with new gyms to battle it's all fresh. You can't imagine an FPS game changing much because they have been stuck for so long now thanks to the modern war/military shooters.


why not try and blend MMORPG elements with shooters? have players group up to take down specific groups etc. and give the bosses more stuff to do instead of just shooting, I mean come on people are more creative then that these days.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on June 26, 2012, 08:20:34 AM
Modern = Check
To do with war = Check
Shooters = check

Holy heck that is a seriously stupid way to give logic.
 
You are the dumbest person on GTM. You deserve a medal, and some pop-up books.
 
LOL THE MARKET IS BEING FLOODED WITH ROBOT GAEMS
 
Look, Robot Arena, The Robot Wars games, Roboforge, Bot Arena!
 
Let's see:
 
Has robots = CHECK
Build robots = CHECK
fight robots = CHECK
 
SEE TOTALLY FLOODED MARKET DERP LOL


because there's a tonne of those games asking for peoples money while providing nothing new right?

now can someone ban him for good? clearly no one can have constructive conversation with him about something he has a different view on and constant put downs aren't called for, you don't see me calling you names despite my view being different.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Scourge of teh Galaxy on June 26, 2012, 08:22:20 AM
why not try and blend MMORPG elements with shooters? have players group up to take down specific groups etc. and give the bosses more stuff to do instead of just shooting, I mean come on people are more creative then that these days.
I believe it's already been done
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on June 26, 2012, 08:25:45 AM
why not try and blend MMORPG elements with shooters? have players group up to take down specific groups etc. and give the bosses more stuff to do instead of just shooting, I mean come on people are more creative then that these days.
I believe it's already been done


A military FPSMMORPG complete different classes, city raids and stuff? please link O.o I was thinking about how the classes would work etc.



-Medic (Med kits/Needles/Injectors, healer/dps)
-Sniper (Sniper rifles, long range burst dps)
-Gunslinger (pistols/revolvers, close range burst dps)
-Heavy gunner (Chainguns/Rocket lauchers, AoE dps/tank)
-Soldier (Machine guns/SMG's, close range sustained dps)
-Demolisher (mines/c-4/grenades, AoE dps/tank)
-Commando (Shotguns/rifles/knives, close range dps)
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on June 26, 2012, 08:28:34 AM
My point is they are selling basically the same game to people who continue to fork out money for the same stuff. There is not much changing in the genre so why do people continue to buy the games?

You used Gamespot as a source.
 
Would you like to top that off with the Daily Mail and Fox news?
 
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Pokemon has changed over the years, and most the games have added new stuff whether it's breeding, new types of pokemon, a load of new pokemon, a new region with new gyms to battle it's all fresh. You can't imagine an FPS game changing much because they have been stuck for so long now thanks to the modern war/military shooters.
 

Actually, Gameplay =/= aesthetics. Your argument is over looks. You cannot seriously bring pokemon (A videogame who's most recent aasthetic change was going 3D) in an argument over looks.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: doublestrand on June 26, 2012, 08:32:23 AM
But even in the RPG market there is some crap :L

It seems the handheld and PC gaming is the way to go lately, consul games are not pulling me like the used to.
The last game I remember buying was Final Fantasy XIII, I sold it because the story didn't hook me and was no challenge at all and I am seeing more games like this...

Planetside I think it is called the MMOFPS
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on June 26, 2012, 08:54:18 AM


You used Gamespot as a source.
 
Would you like to top that off with the Daily Mail and Fox news?


I'm clearly not the only person with this opinion is all that's meant to say. There are lots of people out there who want new gameplay not just new skins/maps. Even in world of warcraft people complain when a pvp map is the same game type with only the map changed, it gets very boring.
 
Actually, Gameplay =/= aesthetics. Your argument is over looks. You cannot seriously bring pokemon (A videogame who's most recent aasthetic change was going 3D) in an argument over looks.


I didn't bring pokemon into the argument >.> that's not even a genre.

Pet training/battle RPGs games have new settings/maps, have new enemies, have new characters, have new skills and even new gameplay.

Military FPS games have new maps, new campaign and sometimes new guns and new multi-player modes. it's more difficult to add new enemies that stand out based on the human race alone, it's had to give players new skills when all the do is shoot stuff.

But even in the RPG market there is some crap :L

It seems the handheld and PC gaming is the way to go lately, consul games are not pulling me like the used to.
The last game I remember buying was Final Fantasy XIII, I sold it because the story didn't hook me and was no challenge at all and I am seeing more games like this...

Planetside I think it is called the MMOFPS


I just can't wait until the Wii U is released, I'm interested to see how different the new gamepad can make games (especially the FPS genre).
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Kossokei on June 26, 2012, 09:05:55 AM
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Are we headed for another video game crash?
Are people to silly to realise what crud they are buying?
Why do people buy all these War shooters when they are all pretty much the same game?
Is online gaming to blame due to people thinking they need to keep up to date?


People should stop spending money on the same game and stick to what they have already and get behind innovative games and systems otherwise future generations will have very few choices.

For the record, the Medal of Honor and Call of Duty series' were always exactly the same as each other.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on June 26, 2012, 09:06:49 AM
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I'm clearly not the only person with this opinion is all that's meant to say. There are lots of people out there who want new gameplay not just new skins/maps. Even in world of warcraft people complain when a pvp map is the same game type with only the map changed, it gets very boring.

LOL some people have opinions about blacks.
 
Like you, they are idiots.
 
 
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Pet training/battle RPGs games have new settings/maps, have new enemies, have new characters, have new skills and even new gameplay.

Military FPS games have new maps, new campaign and sometimes new guns and new multi-player modes. it's more difficult to add new enemies that stand out based on the human race alone, it's had to give players new skills when all the do is shoot stuff.

Exactly.
 
Military FPS is flooding the market as much as Justin bieber is becoming the king dictator of modern music. It isn't happening, it's in your head, something's wrong with you, you are paranoid, THE FREQUENCY OF SOMETHING BEING MENTIONED BY MAINSTREAM DOES NOT IN ANY WAY MEAN THAT THE MARKET IS BEING OVERRUN BY SAID SOMETHING, AND IF YOU DO THINK THAT YOUR OPINION IS STUPID, INVALID AND YOU SHOULDN'T EVER, EVER TELL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING YOUR OPINIONS EVER AGAIN.
 
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on June 26, 2012, 09:13:51 AM
Sys has a point there.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Enigm@ on June 26, 2012, 10:05:17 AM
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I'm clearly not the only person with this opinion is all that's meant to say. There are lots of people out there who want new gameplay not just new skins/maps. Even in world of warcraft people complain when a pvp map is the same game type with only the map changed, it gets very boring.

LOL some people have opinions about blacks.
 
Like you, they are idiots.
 
 
Quote
Pet training/battle RPGs games have new settings/maps, have new enemies, have new characters, have new skills and even new gameplay.

Military FPS games have new maps, new campaign and sometimes new guns and new multi-player modes. it's more difficult to add new enemies that stand out based on the human race alone, it's had to give players new skills when all the do is shoot stuff.

Exactly.
 
Military FPS is flooding the market as much as Justin bieber is becoming the king dictator of modern music. It isn't happening, it's in your head, something's wrong with you, you are paranoid, THE FREQUENCY OF SOMETHING BEING MENTIONED BY MAINSTREAM DOES NOT IN ANY WAY MEAN THAT THE MARKET IS BEING OVERRUN BY SAID SOMETHING, AND IF YOU DO THINK THAT YOUR OPINION IS STUPID, INVALID AND YOU SHOULDN'T EVER, EVER TELL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING YOUR OPINIONS EVER AGAIN.
Brutal honesty.

This is why I like you.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Badnik96 on June 26, 2012, 12:59:33 PM
This is why I only play Nintendo and RA2. Too many generic shooters. Although Duty Calls is rather hilarious.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Naryar on June 26, 2012, 02:30:39 PM
Scourge's opinion on "RPG's" clearly means "JRPG's". Yes, most RPG's have this plotline, of someone quite insignificant saving the world. But most of the best ones doesn't.

Although it does not mean a game with this ultra-cliched plotline cannot be good.

Anyways, what S32 is trying to say is that the facts that war FPS are being really heavily marketed doesn't mean they're the only games out there, and that all the videogame industry is being focused on them.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: madman3 on June 26, 2012, 03:26:50 PM
and you call my opinion bias...


Modern = Check
To do with war = Check
Shooters = check


quit trying to derail this thread, I'm ignoring you now as I see where you stand on it and will wait to have an intelligent conversation with someone else.
Counter Strike isn't original in setting but works far better than any other FPS and is quite a lot older than the pack of modern FPS currently about.

Also, while FPS are common their popularity is dropping simply because there isn't a market for redundant products.
Also, despite what Sys says, there is a declining sense of originality in mainstream games. Mass Effect did little but degrade from its strengths as an rpg, MMOs are becoming too cliched and many other RPGs such as Kingdoms Of Amalur and Skyrim lack lasting factor due to the limitations of sandbox games and unoriginal settings and environments (to be honest, I wouldn't mind a western RPG with the same context as a JRPG due to the more imaginative settings in the latter).
The whole idea of Sanbox games that are appearing, while completely non-linear and explorable, lack continuity and missions lack relevance relative to each other, and the characters are too numerous to be particularly good. It's like a good book or film; try and cram as much in as possible simply makes you lose interest.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Meganerdbomb on June 26, 2012, 03:38:26 PM
This is just one genre. Genres will always look similar to each other and have similar plotlines. They're called cliches and they suck, but the public like them for some reason

Take, for example, the RPG market

Most of the JRPGs out there, especially the famous ones, follow this kind of route:

Normal kid, usually aged 10-13, is tasked with saving the world through some means or another, and does so

This easily fits:
- Golden Sun series
- Pokemon series
- Final Fantasy series
- Digimon series

and debatably fits:
- Luminous Arc series
- Radiant Historia
- Tactics Ogre series
- Dragon Quest series

and many others

The thing that separates these is graphics - some have 2D, some have 3D. Besides that, the core plotline is the same, battles are turn-based, yadda yadda

The point is, nothing's original any more. It's how you wrap up the core with other things, like graphics, sound, other features, gamepaly. That's what makes it unique


And FPS lost that a long time ago, in my opinion
FTFY


All the good RPGs are western these days, like the Witcher and Elder Scrolls games.


Also, this thread is totally ripped from a Cracked article.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: madman3 on June 26, 2012, 03:45:21 PM
This is just one genre. Genres will always look similar to each other and have similar plotlines. They're called cliches and they suck, but the public like them for some reason

Take, for example, the RPG market

Most of the JRPGs out there, especially the famous ones, follow this kind of route:

Normal kid, usually aged 10-13, is tasked with saving the world through some means or another, and does so

This easily fits:
- Golden Sun series
- Pokemon series
- Final Fantasy series
- Digimon series

and debatably fits:
- Luminous Arc series
- Radiant Historia
- Tactics Ogre series
- Dragon Quest series

and many others

The thing that separates these is graphics - some have 2D, some have 3D. Besides that, the core plotline is the same, battles are turn-based, yadda yadda

The point is, nothing's original any more. It's how you wrap up the core with other things, like graphics, sound, other features, gamepaly. That's what makes it unique


And FPS lost that a long time ago, in my opinion
FTFY


All the good RPGs are western these days, like the Witcher and Elder Scrolls games.


Also, this thread is totally ripped from a Cracked article.
Dunno about Elder Scrolls but the Witcher 2 is a sexy, sexy game. In more ways than one :P
The issue is that when someone says RPG, one almost automatically expects a fantasy RPG rather than a Sci-FI RPG simply due to the genre stereotypes. A more original setting in either a more futuristic area (Deus Ex) or an ancient one (like ancient Egypt) would be much more original and connectible than yet another Tolkien fantasy.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Meganerdbomb on June 26, 2012, 03:49:25 PM
Fallout is a great scfi RPG, and so is Mass Effect, though I can't speak from experience so much on that one.


My point is they are selling basically the same game to people who continue to fork out money for the same stuff. There is not much changing in the genre so why do people continue to buy the games?


Pokemon has changed over the years

>10-year-old kid sets out to become a Pokemon master by collecting all the gym badges and eventually defeating the Champion. Also, at some point he has to stop an evil team that wants to use Pokemon for nefarious purposes.


 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: madman3 on June 26, 2012, 03:51:59 PM
Fallout is a great RPG with a nontraditional setting.



My point is they are selling basically the same game to people who continue to fork out money for the same stuff. There is not much changing in the genre so why do people continue to buy the games?


Pokemon has changed over the years

>10-year-old kid sets out to become a Pokemon master by collecting all the gym badges and eventually defeating the Champion. Also, at some point he has to stop an evil team that wants to use Pokemon for nefarious purposes.


 :rolleyes:
Fallout is a little to sanboxy for my liking, but it's still very good.
And yes, I really doubt the "advancement" of Pokemon, it's really not developed beyond any sort of superficial way.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on June 26, 2012, 03:57:34 PM
Fallout is a great RPG with a nontraditional setting.



My point is they are selling basically the same game to people who continue to fork out money for the same stuff. There is not much changing in the genre so why do people continue to buy the games?


Pokemon has changed over the years

>10-year-old kid sets out to become a Pokemon master by collecting all the gym badges and eventually defeating the Champion. Also, at some point he has to stop an evil team that wants to use Pokemon for nefarious purposes.


 :rolleyes:
Fallout is a little to sanboxy for my liking, but it's still very good.
And yes, I really doubt the "advancement" of Pokemon, it's really not developed beyond any sort of superficial way.

Freaking yes.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Meganerdbomb on June 26, 2012, 04:07:33 PM
why not try and blend MMORPG elements with shooters? have players group up to take down specific groups etc. and give the bosses more stuff to do instead of just shooting, I mean come on people are more creative then that these days.
I believe it's already been done


A military FPSMMORPG complete different classes, city raids and stuff? please link O.o I was thinking about how the classes would work etc.



-Medic (Med kits/Needles/Injectors, healer/dps)
-Sniper (Sniper rifles, long range burst dps)
-Gunslinger (pistols/revolvers, close range burst dps)
-Heavy gunner (Chainguns/Rocket lauchers, AoE dps/tank)
-Soldier (Machine guns/SMG's, close range sustained dps)
-Demolisher (mines/c-4/grenades, AoE dps/tank)
-Commando (Shotguns/rifles/knives, close range dps)
  http://www.planetside2.com/ (http://www.planetside2.com/)
It's not actually released yet, but soon.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on June 26, 2012, 08:59:30 PM
Fallout is a great RPG with a nontraditional setting.



My point is they are selling basically the same game to people who continue to fork out money for the same stuff. There is not much changing in the genre so why do people continue to buy the games?


Pokemon has changed over the years

>10-year-old kid sets out to become a Pokemon master by collecting all the gym badges and eventually defeating the Champion. Also, at some point he has to stop an evil team that wants to use Pokemon for nefarious purposes.


 :rolleyes:
Fallout is a little to sanboxy for my liking, but it's still very good.
And yes, I really doubt the "advancement" of Pokemon, it's really not developed beyond any sort of superficial way.


but again pokemon isn't a genre, it's a series and series aren't meant to be completely different games and it still adds new pokemon etc. every game which in turn adds new strategies. Imagine if 6+ RPG's from different developers were modern day and set in our world with the same characters everytime.


I like playing new characters, I like using new skills, I like having new worlds to explore, I like having new enemies to defeat and new bosses to battle against, you just don't get this from modern military shooters. Sure it's hard to add new stuff but if you can't add new stuff then just don't make so many of them and make room for other games on the shelves and in the media.


Borderlands is a great example of a fresh FPS, why don't these developers try to be more original by creating something different? It's like pong cloning all over again lol.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Meganerdbomb on June 26, 2012, 10:47:59 PM
The same reason Hollywood keeps releasing sequels and comic book movies, it's safer. Look at Bulletstorm; it was a great game and got great reviews, but it didn't do so well sales-wise. People don't want to waste money on a game they might not like, especially in a tough economy, so they're less likely to try something new. Call of Duty meanwhile keeps breaking sales records by giving gamers more of what they want, which is more Call of Duty. They add some new features like new weapons, new killstreaks, new game modes, etc,  update the graphics and maybe continue the campaign mode storyline, and people will buy it because they liked the last one. The next Call of Duty is actually going to be changing things up a bit by being set in the near future and having a single-player mode with some actual player choice. But, Sys32 is right, military fps games are just a niche market, albeit a large one, there's still tons of other games, and the dominance of military fps games does not mean the death of innovation in gaming.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on June 27, 2012, 12:44:50 AM

I see his point, I still think it would be nice for at least 2 of the developers to stop with the military FPS series and do something different or just make room for other games that don't get recognition because of them. With games like beyond: two souls, last of us and watch dogs coming out I think sales will drop for call of duty etc. then maybe a few of those companies will bring out brand new IPs instead.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: wakkydude on June 27, 2012, 01:24:14 PM

I see his point, I still think it would be nice for at least 2 of the developers to stop with the military FPS series and do something different or just make room for other games that don't get recognition because of them. With games like beyond: two souls, last of us and watch dogs coming out I think sales will drop for call of duty etc. then maybe a few of those companies will bring out brand new IPs instead.

Shooters make money. Companies exist to make money. New IPs cost lots of money if they go wrong. That's how every industry works, like it or not.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Mr. AS on June 27, 2012, 04:30:48 PM
mario
ra2
pacman

^LEL ALL FPS MW3-KLONE SHOOTERS^
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Enigm@ on June 29, 2012, 10:30:10 AM
dark souls was pretty good and it got good reviews and it wasn't an FPS
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Hard Bot on June 29, 2012, 11:23:01 AM
FPS is the capital of gaming, but too many 10-12/y/o's on them like me. Almost every boy at my school is constantly talking about them about them, and that annoys me. I will say to them 'Whattabout raicin' gaimes?.'. Their response is 'Kno, eff pee ess gaimes are betta! Call o' Duti Blak Opz!'. They don't know some games of other genres are better. Hot Wheels Turbo Racing is only one off of being on my favourite car games podium.  A video of gameplay, by Sorethumbsvideogames: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p48sH_ogwpQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p48sH_ogwpQ#)
They really are that biased to FPS. I talked my closest friend into getting Gran Turismo 5, but I doubt he will like it.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on June 29, 2012, 11:28:27 AM
Gran Turismo 5 is the game I play when FARM SIMULTAOR is too intense for me.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: GoldenFox93 on June 29, 2012, 11:42:44 AM
Gran Turismo 5 is the game I play when FARM SIMULTAOR is too intense for me.
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Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on June 29, 2012, 12:00:45 PM
Gran Turismo 5 is the game I play when FARM SIMULTAOR is too intense for me.
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Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Naryar on June 30, 2012, 05:29:42 AM
Gran Turismo 5 is the game I play when FARM SIMULTAOR is too intense for me.

Racing games take so little brainpower to play anyways...
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: wakkydude on June 30, 2012, 05:00:15 PM
Gran Turismo 5 is the game I play when FARM SIMULTAOR is too intense for me.

Racing games take so little brainpower to play anyways...
Have you ever even played a simulator? You know, a game where absolute concentration is not only needed to keep the thing on the track, but also to overtake cleanly and make consistent times? It is rather difficult, in reality.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: courthousedoc on June 30, 2012, 10:51:40 PM
Everytime a awesome games such as  Okami, Enslaved, or Psychonauts come out people go and buy the next stupid $%@# Call of duty, World of Warcraft, God of War or some other mass produced garbage like that. While the truly innovative games never get the sequels they deserve.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on June 30, 2012, 10:58:03 PM
Didn't Okami get like two sequels?
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: courthousedoc on July 01, 2012, 02:20:04 PM
No it only got a Wii re-release & a DS spinoff game.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on July 01, 2012, 02:36:57 PM
Well what can we do to to change the industry?
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: madman3 on July 01, 2012, 02:38:50 PM
Well what can we do to to change the industry?
Indie games.
My eyes are currently on Overgrowth :P
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Probably Rob on July 01, 2012, 02:42:07 PM
Well what can we do to to change the industry?
Indie games.
My eyes are currently on Overgrowth :P


If that isn't the next Minecraft (success wise), then people are fools!
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on July 01, 2012, 02:45:25 PM
It looks ok.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on July 01, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
Everytime a awesome games such as  Okami, Enslaved, or Psychonauts come out people go and buy the next stupid $%@# Call of duty, World of Warcraft, God of War or some other mass produced garbage like that. While the truly innovative games never get the sequels they deserve.

WoW is good and GoW 1 was a great game. You are about as dumb as Ianh.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on July 01, 2012, 03:23:06 PM
WoW succeeds because of its longevity.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: madman3 on July 01, 2012, 03:38:56 PM
WoW succeeds because of its longevity.
I dunno, I'm never one for MMOs and I think Warcraft 3 is better.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: courthousedoc on July 01, 2012, 03:48:57 PM
Everytime a awesome games such as  Okami, Enslaved, or Psychonauts come out people go and buy the next stupid $%@# Call of duty, World of Warcraft, God of War or some other mass produced garbage like that. While the truly innovative games never get the sequels they deserve.

WoW is good and GoW 1 was a great game. You are about as dumb as Ianh.

God of war is too hard (Who in the world has fingers faster than Sonic the Hedgehog can run?) It would be a great game if they took out the rapid button presses as they render it unbeatable.

World of Warcraft - Too many n00bs (A common ailment of most online gaming (RA2's ailment is epic lag syndrome which is why i never play RA2 online)
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: madman3 on July 01, 2012, 03:56:24 PM
Everytime a awesome games such as  Okami, Enslaved, or Psychonauts come out people go and buy the next stupid $%@# Call of duty, World of Warcraft, God of War or some other mass produced garbage like that. While the truly innovative games never get the sequels they deserve.

WoW is good and GoW 1 was a great game. You are about as dumb as Ianh.

God of war is too hard (Who in the world has fingers faster than Sonic the Hedgehog can run?) It would be a great game if they took out the rapid button presses as they render it unbeatable.

World of Warcraft - Too many n00bs (A common ailment of most online gaming (RA2's ailment is epic lag syndrome which is why i never play RA2 online)
I agree that quick time events are dumb but the rest of GoW is okay.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on July 01, 2012, 04:03:00 PM
"World of Warcraft - Too many n00bs (A common ailment of most online gaming (RA2's ailment is epic lag syndrome which is why i never play RA2 online)"


I haven't seen that many.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Mr. AS on July 01, 2012, 04:10:23 PM
World of Warcraft - Too many n00bs

have you ever played any online games ever ?  there will always be n00bs when its connected to the internet
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on July 01, 2012, 09:42:13 PM
Everytime a awesome games such as  Okami, Enslaved, or Psychonauts come out people go and buy the next stupid $%@# Call of duty, World of Warcraft, God of War or some other mass produced garbage like that. While the truly innovative games never get the sequels they deserve.

WoW is good and GoW 1 was a great game. You are about as dumb as Ianh.


Ease up mate, I'm not the only one with that opinion. The real dumb people are the people forking out money for the same game over and over again when they never play anything but the multi-player, so yeah $80-$90 for some new maps and maybe new guns seems totally worth it right? let's face it they are milking that money cow.


WoW is ok, they give players some new stuff to do a fair bit. It does tend to get a bit boring though and players often go on breaks for months to a year or so.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on July 01, 2012, 10:01:24 PM
Ease up mate, I'm not the only one with that opinion.

Idiots can come in numbers.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: freeziez on July 01, 2012, 10:16:32 PM
S32, you're kind of being dumb. He's entitled to his own opinion, and you don't need to come here to whine about it.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Enigm@ on July 01, 2012, 10:23:57 PM
Ease up mate, I'm not the only one with that opinion.

Idiots can come in numbers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVgXGw_XhRQ&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVgXGw_XhRQ&feature=related#)
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Kossokei on July 01, 2012, 10:31:21 PM
Everytime a awesome games such as  Okami, Enslaved, or Psychonauts come out people go and buy the next stupid $%@# Call of duty, World of Warcraft, God of War or some other mass produced garbage like that. While the truly innovative games never get the sequels they deserve.

At the penalty of beating the dead horse here, the God of War series was pretty unique when it started. There aren't many beat-the-living-sh**-out-of-mythology-legends around, and now it's just the perfect storm for action/puzzle enjoyers. WoW is just massive by default, don't hate it because it's beautiful. Call of Duty is great for people who have a little bit more jingles in their pockets than some of us do, or live and breathe FPS.

That being said, many great original games succumb to mainstream BS, I agree with you there, but it's the really great games that survive the onslaught and become popular games. Like Minecraft for example. (Yeah yeah, Indie gaming, whatever.)

PS: WoW's a dinosaur, it's really not as popular as you think anymore.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Chaosmancer on July 02, 2012, 12:25:07 AM
The real dumb people are the people forking out money for the same game over and over again when they never play anything but the multi-player

To be honest, people can and will do what they want with their money, and if they just so happen to enjoy games for their multiplayer, then let them have their fun. It isn't really like it is killing the games industry, or anything like that. In fact, I am pretty sure that many of the people who buy CoD are the kinds of people who are either not avid gamers (they are usually into FPSs, or racing games), so they wouldn't buy anything else anyway, and the rest of the people who buy it will be buying other games as well. Besides, I am pretty sure that there are lots of people who play through the single player first, and then play the multiplayer (well, the multiplayer is really the only part that gives CoD any replayability). CoD isn't a bad thing, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that you should try to ruin the fun for people who do (I enjoyed playing the zombie game mode and Spec-Ops with my dad).

Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Kossokei on July 02, 2012, 12:35:07 AM
The real dumb people are the people forking out money for the same game over and over again when they never play anything but the multi-player

To be honest, people can and will do what they want with their money, and if they just so happen to enjoy games for their multiplayer, then let them have their fun. It isn't really like it is killing the games industry, or anything like that. In fact, I am pretty sure that many of the people who buy CoD are the kinds of people who are either not avid gamers (they are usually into FPSs, or racing games), so they wouldn't buy anything else anyway, and the rest of the people who buy it will be buying other games as well. Besides, I am pretty sure that there are lots of people who play through the single player first, and then play the multiplayer (well, the multiplayer is really the only part that gives CoD any replayability). CoD isn't a bad thing, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that you should try to ruin the fun for people who do (I enjoyed playing the zombie game mode and Spec-Ops with my dad).

I don't like the negativity that Racing games are getting here.. Carmageddon 1 and GTA 2 got me into gaming.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Reier on July 02, 2012, 12:41:17 AM
Everytime a awesome games such as  Okami, Enslaved, or Psychonauts come out people go and buy the next stupid $%@# Call of duty, World of Warcraft, God of War or some other mass produced garbage like that. While the truly innovative games never get the sequels they deserve.

WoW is good and GoW 1 was a great game. You are about as dumb as Ianh.
Ease up mate, I'm not the only one with that opinion.

S32 dictates that your opinion is wrong. Remove yourself from his sight.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Meganerdbomb on July 02, 2012, 12:45:40 AM
S32, you're kind of being a dick. He's entitled to his own opinion, and you don't need to come here to whine and bitch about it.
Anyone who calls God of War sh** is deserving of ridicule.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Chaosmancer on July 02, 2012, 01:29:28 AM
The real dumb people are the people forking out money for the same game over and over again when they never play anything but the multi-player

To be honest, people can and will do what they want with their money, and if they just so happen to enjoy games for their multiplayer, then let them have their fun. It isn't really like it is killing the games industry, or anything like that. In fact, I am pretty sure that many of the people who buy CoD are the kinds of people who are either not avid gamers (they are usually into FPSs, or racing games), so they wouldn't buy anything else anyway, and the rest of the people who buy it will be buying other games as well. Besides, I am pretty sure that there are lots of people who play through the single player first, and then play the multiplayer (well, the multiplayer is really the only part that gives CoD any replayability). CoD isn't a bad thing, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that you should try to ruin the fun for people who do (I enjoyed playing the zombie game mode and Spec-Ops with my dad).

I don't like the negativity that Racing games are getting here.. Carmageddon 1 and GTA 2 got me into gaming.

I'm not giving racing games any hate at all, I'm just saying that the people who are not really avid gamers will generally go for FPSs or racing games, no negativity whatsoever (I personally loved the Star Wars racing game for the N64, as well as Crash Team Racing, and even the Muppets racing game for the PS1). I wasn't saying that all people who play racing games and FPSs aren't avid gamers, just that a lot of people that don't play games too often will generally go for FPSs or racing games...maybe some sports games too. Sorry if I said it in a way that could be misinterpreted, I wrote the previous post when I hadn't been up very long, and I apologise if this post makes no sense , but I am still not fully awake.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Kossokei on July 02, 2012, 02:41:25 AM
S32, you're kind of being a dick. He's entitled to his own opinion, and you don't need to come here to whine and bitch about it.
Anyone who calls God of War sh** is deserving of ridicule.
You said it, not me. But I do agree.

The real dumb people are the people forking out money for the same game over and over again when they never play anything but the multi-player

To be honest, people can and will do what they want with their money, and if they just so happen to enjoy games for their multiplayer, then let them have their fun. It isn't really like it is killing the games industry, or anything like that. In fact, I am pretty sure that many of the people who buy CoD are the kinds of people who are either not avid gamers (they are usually into FPSs, or racing games), so they wouldn't buy anything else anyway, and the rest of the people who buy it will be buying other games as well. Besides, I am pretty sure that there are lots of people who play through the single player first, and then play the multiplayer (well, the multiplayer is really the only part that gives CoD any replayability). CoD isn't a bad thing, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that you should try to ruin the fun for people who do (I enjoyed playing the zombie game mode and Spec-Ops with my dad).

I don't like the negativity that Racing games are getting here.. Carmageddon 1 and GTA 2 got me into gaming.

I'm not giving racing games any hate at all, I'm just saying that the people who are not really avid gamers will generally go for FPSs or racing games, no negativity whatsoever (I personally loved the Star Wars racing game for the N64, as well as Crash Team Racing, and even the Muppets racing game for the PS1). I wasn't saying that all people who play racing games and FPSs aren't avid gamers, just that a lot of people that don't play games too often will generally go for FPSs or racing games...maybe some sports games too. Sorry if I said it in a way that could be misinterpreted, I wrote the previous post when I hadn't been up very long, and I apologise if this post makes no sense , but I am still not fully awake.

Don't worry, the post was pretty clear to me. Anyway, I wasn't really pointing you out in particular, but I guess I was a little too forward. What I meant was, in this topic the Racing genre isn't really perceived as a 'gaming game', and I sort of disagree with that.

Flying off topic, the Carmageddon series is so underrated.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: courthousedoc on July 02, 2012, 03:52:46 AM
What about Burnout, Twisted Metal, or Flatout?
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on July 02, 2012, 05:07:04 AM
S32, you're kind of being a dumb. He's entitled to his own opinion, and you don't need to come here to whine about it.
Anyone who calls God of War sh** is deserving of ridicule.


I don't recall calling it that :/


@S32 my opinion is that they are milking the modern military shooter genre way to much and should make room for other games, they quit hogging the media and social spotlight. If you don't like my opinion that's fine because everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but calling me an idiot etc. and acting childish is just proving that I have struck a nerve.


The real dumb people are the people forking out money for the same game over and over again when they never play anything but the multi-player


To be honest, people can and will do what they want with their money, and if they just so happen to enjoy games for their multiplayer, then let them have their fun. It isn't really like it is killing the games industry, or anything like that. In fact, I am pretty sure that many of the people who buy CoD are the kinds of people who are either not avid gamers (they are usually into FPSs, or racing games), so they wouldn't buy anything else anyway, and the rest of the people who buy it will be buying other games as well. Besides, I am pretty sure that there are lots of people who play through the single player first, and then play the multiplayer (well, the multiplayer is really the only part that gives CoD any replayability). CoD isn't a bad thing, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that you should try to ruin the fun for people who do (I enjoyed playing the zombie game mode and Spec-Ops with my dad).




Not trying to ruin it for anyone, I'm not even saying they're bad games. I just think 6+ series most with sequels all about modern war is pretty excessive and there's a huge lack of creative input on the part of the devs, is like they just copied and pasted. Imagine if The Sims had 4-5 rival games all the same concept and graphical style and they all had at least 5 sequels. Now imagine those games always getting the big game spotlight, you'd get sick of it pretty quick right?
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Kossokei on July 02, 2012, 08:36:33 AM
S32, you're kind of being dumb. He's entitled to his own opinion, and you don't need to come here to whine about it.
Anyone who calls God of War sh** is deserving of ridicule. I still agree with this, lulz


I don't recall calling it that :/ You didn't, Courthousedoc did.


@S32 my opinion is that they are milking the modern military shooter genre way to much and should make room for other games, they quit hogging the media and social spotlight. If you don't like my opinion that's fine because everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but calling me an idiot etc. and acting childish is just proving that I have struck a nerve.


The real dumb people are the people forking out money for the same game over and over again when they never play anything but the multi-player


To be honest, people can and will do what they want with their money, and if they just so happen to enjoy games for their multiplayer, then let them have their fun. It isn't really like it is killing the games industry, or anything like that. In fact, I am pretty sure that many of the people who buy CoD are the kinds of people who are either not avid gamers (they are usually into FPSs, or racing games), so they wouldn't buy anything else anyway, and the rest of the people who buy it will be buying other games as well. Besides, I am pretty sure that there are lots of people who play through the single player first, and then play the multiplayer (well, the multiplayer is really the only part that gives CoD any replayability). CoD isn't a bad thing, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that you should try to ruin the fun for people who do (I enjoyed playing the zombie game mode and Spec-Ops with my dad).




Not trying to ruin it for anyone, I'm not even saying they're bad games. I just think 6+ series most with sequels all about modern war is pretty excessive and there's a huge lack of creative input on the part of the devs, is like they just copied and pasted. Imagine if The Sims had 4-5 rival games all the same concept and graphical style and they all had at least 5 sequels. Now imagine those games always getting the big game spotlight, you'd get sick of it pretty quick right?
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: courthousedoc on July 02, 2012, 09:45:20 AM
Video game companies need to stop looking at video games as get rich quick schemes and instead focus on what they really should be... Art
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Kossokei on July 02, 2012, 10:16:02 AM
Video game companies need to stop looking at video games as get rich quick schemes and instead focus on what they really should be... Art

You REALLY like Okami.

To the general eye, Art is boring. I haven't had one guy who's known me come up and compliment my Clarinet playing (Though, there's two meanings to that.) Sure, Art is pretty, and all arts are fascinating and take skill to do but they require a large attention span to enjoy. With these cliche mainstream modern war games, the only attention span you really need to have is "GUNS, BLOOD, MONEY" and that's it. That's what they're counting on.

But then there are the truly beautiful games like the Portal series, the Half-Life series, Minecraft, the Metal Gear series for sure, and if you look at it from a severely twisted way, God of War has a beautiful aura to it. Even it's namesake doppelganger Gears of War has a beautiful story illustrated through many gory, bloody, terrifying and depressing scenes.

You're missing out mate.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: courthousedoc on July 02, 2012, 11:46:43 AM
Let's make this clear I want to love the God of War franchise but my fingers well they aren't really that fast so I can't do rapid button presses. Ah well guess i could always watch a God of War walkthrough on Youtube but it wont be the same as playing through it.

Anyway here's an artsy game that I'm currently stuck on

Trailer Park King (Xbox 360 Indie Game)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJTSoqOavNc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJTSoqOavNc#ws)

If anyone can find a walkthrough it would help (I really want to see the story to the end)
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Enigm@ on July 02, 2012, 11:47:59 AM
Let's make this clear I want to love the God of War franchise but my fingers well they aren't really that fast so I can't do rapid button presses. Ah well guess i could always watch a God of War walkthrough on Youtube but it wont be the same as playing through it.

Anyway here's an artsy game that I'm currently stuck on

Trailer Park King (Xbox 360 Indie Game)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJTSoqOavNc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJTSoqOavNc#ws)
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Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on July 02, 2012, 01:03:11 PM
@S32 my opinion is that they are milking the modern military shooter genre way to much and should make room for other games,

Your opinion is wrong. I already told you why at the start. You listed Counter strike as an example. What next? Prototype?
 
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they quit hogging the media and social spotlight.

They aren't hogging anything for gods sake. You literally can't see the media hype for the new PC version of Dark Souls: Prepare To Die, Borderlands 2, Planetside 2, Tribes: Ascend because your massive, cancerous cognitive dissonance is clouding your damn eyes and ears.
 
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If you don't like my opinion that's fine because everyone's entitled to their own opinion,

Your opinion is WRONG. It started out as an attempt to be "facts" and you fell back on "lol opinion" as soon as I told you why you are wrong. Saying your opinion does not excuse you of being called an idiot. Having an opinion is not a personal flame shield. Like I said, People also have opinions on blacks. They are idiots too, and I'll happily correct them as well.

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but calling me an idiot etc. and acting childish is just proving that I have struck a nerve

It's one thing to claim 2+2 = 5, but falling back to "It's my opinion" and then implying you are correct because YOU KEEP INSISTING ON IT WHICH IS ANNOYING ME?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcjIestFVOc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcjIestFVOc#ws)
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Enigm@ on July 02, 2012, 01:06:00 PM
Tribes: Ascend
GOTTA SANIC FAST
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: GarvinTheGreat on July 02, 2012, 01:06:17 PM
I have to agree with S32. FPS are aall differnent and they're not just handing out the same sh**. And one of the games you featured in OP was Killzone 3. Just beacuse the games look the same does not mean they are. KZ3 has a very unique storyline.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Enigm@ on July 02, 2012, 01:08:17 PM
also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwPLQ43JVYU# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwPLQ43JVYU#)
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: courthousedoc on July 02, 2012, 02:12:05 PM
Geez guys can we stop the flaming please?
Anyway FPS's can be art.

I'm sure you heard of Bioshock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOWkyMwh8xY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOWkyMwh8xY#ws)

I also know of a site where there are some artsy looking games (If you have the paticence to sort through all the trash) including Narbacular Drop (The precursor to Portal & Portal2)


Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on July 02, 2012, 03:06:25 PM
I have to agree with S32. FPS are aall differnent and they're not just handing out the same sh**. And one of the games you featured in OP was Killzone 3. Just beacuse the games look the same does not mean they are. KZ3 has a very unique storyline.

THANK YOU
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: madman3 on July 02, 2012, 03:16:12 PM
I have to agree with S32. FPS are aall differnent and they're not just handing out the same sh**. And one of the games you featured in OP was Killzone 3. Just beacuse the games look the same does not mean they are. KZ3 has a very unique storyline.

THANK YOU
I'm afraid I'm having to disagree to a strong extent with this point. Much while there are unique FPS such as Bulletstorm, it's pretty obvious how the CoD series has simply been performing retreads of previous games with virtually no differences, as with Medal Of Honour, Red Orchestra and some others. While games like Killzone are different in setting the mechanics are almost identical to other FPS in how they play. I do think games like Counter Strike are very different so I'd say it's half and half when it comes to differences.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on July 02, 2012, 03:21:54 PM
I don't think so with Red Orchestra. Sure they added a CoD-like game mode, but the main focus on the game is on ultra-realism.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: madman3 on July 02, 2012, 03:26:35 PM
I don't think so with Red Orchestra. Sure they added a CoD-like game mode, but the main focus on the game is on ultra-realism.
Not sure how that makes the game any better :P I play games to have an experience that ISN'T like real life.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on July 02, 2012, 03:28:31 PM
It's a nice change of pace from the less realistic FPS games, and relies on more tactics.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Enigm@ on July 02, 2012, 03:30:31 PM
Geez guys can we stop the flaming please?
Anyway FPS's can be art.

I'm sure you heard of Bioshock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOWkyMwh8xY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOWkyMwh8xY#ws)

I also know of a site where there are some artsy looking games (If you have the paticence to sort through all the trash) including Narbacular Drop (The precursor to Portal & Portal2)

Honestly I think the system shock series should be in the smithsonian. I didn't even like bioshack that much..
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: madman3 on July 02, 2012, 03:32:02 PM
It's a nice change of pace from the less realistic FPS games, and relies on more tactics.
Does RO have respawns? It's pretty much the system that cripples almost all FPS.
Geez guys can we stop the flaming please?
Anyway FPS's can be art.

I'm sure you heard of Bioshock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOWkyMwh8xY#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOWkyMwh8xY#ws)

I also know of a site where there are some artsy looking games (If you have the paticence to sort through all the trash) including Narbacular Drop (The precursor to Portal & Portal2)

Honestly I think the system shock series should be in the smithsonian. I didn't even like bioshack that much..
System Shock is tasty. Has the best gaming villain ever too. System Shock 2 is a lil better IMO.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on July 02, 2012, 03:34:11 PM
It's a nice change of pace from the less realistic FPS games, and relies on more tactics.
Does RO have respawns? It's pretty much the system that cripples almost all FPS.

Yes.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: madman3 on July 02, 2012, 03:36:26 PM
It's a nice change of pace from the less realistic FPS games, and relies on more tactics.
Does RO have respawns? It's pretty much the system that cripples almost all FPS.

Yes.
Can't say that helps it, especially for a tactical FPS. A lack of respawns works really well in CS/CS:S/CS:GO.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on July 02, 2012, 04:33:16 PM
@S32 my opinion is that they are milking the modern military shooter genre way to much and should make room for other games,

Your opinion is wrong. I already told you why at the start. You listed Counter strike as an example. What next? Prototype?
 
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they quit hogging the media and social spotlight.

They aren't hogging anything for gods sake. You literally can't see the media hype for the new PC version of Dark Souls: Prepare To Die, Borderlands 2, Planetside 2, Tribes: Ascend because your massive, cancerous cognitive dissonance is clouding your damn eyes and ears.
 
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If you don't like my opinion that's fine because everyone's entitled to their own opinion,

Your opinion is WRONG. It started out as an attempt to be "facts" and you fell back on "lol opinion" as soon as I told you why you are wrong. Saying your opinion does not excuse you of being called an idiot. Having an opinion is not a personal flame shield. Like I said, People also have opinions on blacks. They are idiots too, and I'll happily correct them as well.

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but calling me an idiot etc. and acting childish is just proving that I have struck a nerve

It's one thing to claim 2+2 = 5, but falling back to "It's my opinion" and then implying you are correct because YOU KEEP INSISTING ON IT WHICH IS ANNOYING ME?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcjIestFVOc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcjIestFVOc#ws)


dude just shut up seriously, opinions can't be wrong. If you want some facts I'll give you some.


All modern military shooters...


Have the same gameplay.
Have the same setting.
Have the same basic story (omg it's WAR!)
Have the same elitist jerks playing online and bragging to friends about how the pwn noobs.
Have the same weapons.
Have the same enemies, just blokes in army gear.


Again there's like 5 or so series! not games, SERIES! with sequels and expansions... a crudload of expansions! It's friggin' overkill and if you don't think so I feel sorry for you (well not now that you've been acting like a complete douche). If everyone and their mother is going to copy military shooters just for the dollars then gaming is dying. The majority of sheep gamers will continue to buy these bland remakes because in gaming circles it's the "cool" thing to do.

You are blind if you can't see the money milking!!! and they are hogging the spotlight because they are the most talked about games, you always hear about the new battlefield, the new call of duty etc. from friends, online, at E3.. and at stores these games are always on display!
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Kossokei on July 02, 2012, 04:46:56 PM
@S32 my opinion is that they are milking the modern military shooter genre way to much and should make room for other games,

Your opinion is wrong. I already told you why at the start. You listed Counter strike as an example. What next? Prototype?
 
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they quit hogging the media and social spotlight.

They aren't hogging anything for gods sake. You literally can't see the media hype for the new PC version of Dark Souls: Prepare To Die, Borderlands 2, Planetside 2, Tribes: Ascend because your massive, cancerous cognitive dissonance is clouding your damn eyes and ears.
 
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If you don't like my opinion that's fine because everyone's entitled to their own opinion,

Your opinion is WRONG. It started out as an attempt to be "facts" and you fell back on "lol opinion" as soon as I told you why you are wrong. Saying your opinion does not excuse you of being called an idiot. Having an opinion is not a personal flame shield. Like I said, People also have opinions on blacks. They are idiots too, and I'll happily correct them as well.

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but calling me an idiot etc. and acting childish is just proving that I have struck a nerve

It's one thing to claim 2+2 = 5, but falling back to "It's my opinion" and then implying you are correct because YOU KEEP INSISTING ON IT WHICH IS ANNOYING ME?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcjIestFVOc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcjIestFVOc#ws)


dude just shut up seriously, opinions can't be wrong. If you want some facts I'll give you some.


All modern military shooters...


Have the same gameplay.
Have the same setting.
Have the same basic story (omg it's WAR!)
Have the same elitist jerks playing online and bragging to friends about how the pwn noobs.
Have the same weapons.
Have the same enemies, just blokes in army gear.


Again there's like 5 or so series! not games, SERIES! with sequels and expansions... a crudload of expansions! It's friggin' overkill and if you don't think so I feel sorry for you (well not now that you've been acting like a complete douche). If everyone and their mother is going to copy military shooters just for the dollars then gaming is dying. The majority of sheep gamers will continue to buy these bland remakes because in gaming circles it's the "cool" thing to do.

You are blind if you can't see the money milking!!! and they are hogging the spotlight because they are the most talked about games, you always hear about the new battlefield, the new call of duty etc. from friends, online, at E3.. and at stores these games are always on display!

If you consider Futuristic as Modern and Metal Gear Solid 2 and 4 as shooters, then I broke your "All Modern Military Shooters are this, this, this, and that" facts list. AJA they aren't true anymore.

Parallel to this, if you consider the plot of Red Steel 2 as military enough, then I just found a modern military FPS that doesn't follow any of those facts, and it's quite artsy in it's own way..
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Natef on July 02, 2012, 05:58:39 PM
It's a nice change of pace from the less realistic FPS games, and relies on more tactics.
Does RO have respawns? It's pretty much the system that cripples almost all FPS.

Yes.
Can't say that helps it, especially for a tactical FPS. A lack of respawns works really well in CS/CS:S/CS:GO.

CS:GO has a respawning mode.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on July 03, 2012, 03:26:47 AM
MW3 is your classic Arcade shooter, but recently has gone in a Sci-fi terminator-ish apocolypse plot, and Battlefield is your generi modern war.

Lol what? it's a military FPS, not a classic arcade shooter.

Here is a classic arcade shooter:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=437Ld_rKM2s# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=437Ld_rKM2s#) 


You're a lost soul if you think MW3 is a classic arcade shooter. This alone renders ANYTHING you say mute!
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on July 03, 2012, 07:43:26 AM
MW3 is your classic Arcade shooter, but recently has gone in a Sci-fi terminator-ish apocolypse plot, and Battlefield is your generi modern war.

Lol what? it's a military FPS, not a classic arcade shooter.

You're a lost soul if you think MW3 is a classic arcade shooter. This alone renders ANYTHING you say mute!

No, That's an arcade SHMUP. You can't even get the basics right.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on July 05, 2012, 09:10:00 PM
MW3 is your classic Arcade shooter, but recently has gone in a Sci-fi terminator-ish apocolypse plot, and Battlefield is your generi modern war.

Lol what? it's a military FPS, not a classic arcade shooter.

You're a lost soul if you think MW3 is a classic arcade shooter. This alone renders ANYTHING you say mute!

No, That's an arcade SHMUP. You can't even get the basics right.

MW3 still isn't an arcade game is it? admit you're wrong and get off your high horse mate.

Space invaders is an arcade shooter, it was played in arcades and you shoot... genius... use ya head before you type, or even better don't type at all since all that shows up is utter garbage.

"Shoot 'em up (also known as shmup or STG) is a subgenre of shooter video games. In a shoot 'em up, the player controls a lone character, often in a spacecraft or aircraft".

that's like me saying modern warfare isn't a FPS it's a military shooter, duh.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Enigm@ on July 05, 2012, 09:13:07 PM
MW3 is your classic Arcade shooter, but recently has gone in a Sci-fi terminator-ish apocolypse plot, and Battlefield is your generi modern war.

Lol what? it's a military FPS, not a classic arcade shooter.

You're a lost soul if you think MW3 is a classic arcade shooter. This alone renders ANYTHING you say mute!

No, That's an arcade SHMUP. You can't even get the basics right.


MW3 still isn't an arcade game is it? admit you're wrong and get off your high horse mate.


Space invaders is an arcade shooter, it was played in arcades and you shoot... genius... use ya head before you type, or even better don't type at all since all that shows up is utter garbage.
He meant that Modern Warfare 3 is simple and easy to pick and play like an arcade shooter such as Space Invaders..
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on July 05, 2012, 09:14:32 PM
MW3 is your classic Arcade shooter, but recently has gone in a Sci-fi terminator-ish apocolypse plot, and Battlefield is your generi modern war.

Lol what? it's a military FPS, not a classic arcade shooter.

You're a lost soul if you think MW3 is a classic arcade shooter. This alone renders ANYTHING you say mute!

No, That's an arcade SHMUP. You can't even get the basics right.


MW3 still isn't an arcade game is it? admit you're wrong and get off your high horse mate.


Space invaders is an arcade shooter, it was played in arcades and you shoot... genius... use ya head before you type, or even better don't type at all since all that shows up is utter garbage.
He meant that Modern Warfare 3 is simple and easy to pick and play like an arcade shooter such as Space Invaders..


doesn't make him any less wrong, the style is completely different.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Enigm@ on July 05, 2012, 09:19:49 PM
MW3 is your classic Arcade shooter, but recently has gone in a Sci-fi terminator-ish apocolypse plot, and Battlefield is your generi modern war.

Lol what? it's a military FPS, not a classic arcade shooter.

You're a lost soul if you think MW3 is a classic arcade shooter. This alone renders ANYTHING you say mute!

No, That's an arcade SHMUP. You can't even get the basics right.


MW3 still isn't an arcade game is it? admit you're wrong and get off your high horse mate.


Space invaders is an arcade shooter, it was played in arcades and you shoot... genius... use ya head before you type, or even better don't type at all since all that shows up is utter garbage.
He meant that Modern Warfare 3 is simple and easy to pick and play like an arcade shooter such as Space Invaders..


doesn't make him any less wrong, the style is completely different.
Not really, on a basic level they're both "you're a guy who has gun and must shoot AIs" but when you delve deeper they ARE different on the surface- what with Modern Warfare 3's obviously superior graphics compared to Space Invaders, different pixel globs to shoot AIs with, among other things. But if you take all that stuff away they are pretty much the same game.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on July 05, 2012, 09:23:00 PM
doesn't make him any less wrong, the style is completely different.

Actually it doesn't.  I guess you've never heard the phrase "Themepark MMO" before?
 
A lot more people more qualified than an idiot who uses a photoshop from cracked.com as a source have called it that, and I'd say they are right because they aren't absolute morons complaining about boogiemen on a forums like a manchild trying to clutch onto their NESalgia goggles.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Enigm@ on July 05, 2012, 09:31:54 PM
doesn't make him any less wrong, the style is completely different.

Actually it doesn't.  I guess you've never heard the phrase "Themepark MMO" before?
 
A lot more people more qualified than an idiot who uses a photoshop from cracked.com as a source have called it that, and I'd say they are right because they aren't absolute morons complaining about boogiemen on a forums like a manchild trying to clutch onto their NESalgia goggles.
Pretty much. I don't see why modern war FPS's get so much flack, if only casuals play them then what's the point of complaining about them ? it's just like the plebs that like Justin Bieber and Kesha and Katy Perry, if only plebs like that crap it's not keeping artists with actual talent from making money..
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: ianh05 on July 05, 2012, 11:00:08 PM
I suppose you think you're one of those people S32 lol. you're both wrong if you think MW3 is an arcade shooter, there's nothing arcade-like about it, why don't you go ahead and call it and rpg because you play the role of a soldier lol... what a joke.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Enigm@ on July 05, 2012, 11:20:20 PM
I suppose you think you're one of those people S32 lol. you're both wrong if you think MW3 is an arcade shooter, there's nothing arcade-like about it, why don't you go ahead and call it and rpg because you play the role of a soldier lol... what a joke.
I never said it was an arcade shooter I said it shared many distinct similarities to an arcade shooter as an example.. 
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: courthousedoc on July 05, 2012, 11:52:02 PM
doesn't make him any less wrong, the style is completely different.

Actually it doesn't.  I guess you've never heard the phrase "Themepark MMO" before?
 
A lot more people more qualified than an idiot who uses a photoshop from cracked.com as a source have called it that, and I'd say they are right because they aren't absolute morons complaining about boogiemen on a forums like a manchild trying to clutch onto their NESalgia goggles.
Pretty much. I don't see why modern war FPS's get so much flack, if only casuals play them then what's the point of complaining about them ? it's just like the plebs that like Justin Bieber and Kesha and Katy Perry, if only plebs like that crap it's not keeping artists with actual talent from making money..
Watch it I happen to like Ke$ha & Katy Perry (But JB deserves a shotgun to the balls)

anyway i've been playing minecraft lately. online too (what's scary is i think i'm actually enjoying online play) its a pretty fresh game

By the way have you ever heard of Brothers in Arms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqkQiS9UjiM&feature=related#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqkQiS9UjiM&feature=related#ws)
Nice tactical FPS.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: freeziez on July 06, 2012, 12:47:53 AM
Watch it I happen to like Ke$ha & Katy Perry

And I happen to like Pirahna 3D. That doesn't make it any less sh** than it already is.

Come on man, they're computer-generated talentless divas who have to LIP-SYNC THEIR OWN CONCERTS. How is that even considered music? Remember when guitar was a strong solo or a smooth bass, and not just an accompaniment track to keep you thinking that what you're listening to actually has instruments playing? Or when, if you were asked to play a section of a song, you could pick up your guitar, or drumsticks, or crank your amp up to eleven and actually PLAY THE SECTION WITH LEGITIMATE INSTRUMENTS? No, you probably don't. I may not be old enough to have lived during that time, but damn right I can sure appreciate it.



...I gotta go take some Advil.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Enigm@ on July 06, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
Watch it I happen to like Ke$ha & Katy Perry

And I happen to like Pirahna 3D. That doesn't make it any less sh** than it already is.

Come on man, they're computer-generated talentless divas who have to LIP-SYNC THEIR OWN CONCERTS. How is that even considered music? Remember when guitar was a strong solo or a smooth bass, and not just an accompaniment track to keep you thinking that what you're listening to actually has instruments playing? Or when, if you were asked to play a section of a song, you could pick up your guitar, or drumsticks, or crank your amp up to eleven and actually PLAY THE SECTION WITH LEGITIMATE INSTRUMENTS? No, you probably don't. I may not be old enough to have lived during that time, but damn right I can sure appreciate it.



...I gotta go take some Advil.
i do
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: System32 on July 06, 2012, 10:59:58 AM
I suppose you think you're one of those people S32 lol. you're both wrong if you think MW3 is an arcade shooter, there's nothing arcade-like about it, why don't you go ahead and call it and rpg because you play the role of a soldier lol... what a joke.

but its opion an opinions cant b wong u sed so omg hipicrit
 
"Shooters" as a genre includes SHMUPs, Run and Guns, Third person shooters, FPS and anything with a primary gameplay element of shooting things.
 
And it does contain RPG elements in the form of levels and loadouts, but it isn't profound enough to earn the RPG/FPS title like Bioshock and the Follout revivals have.
Title: Re: the state of gaming...
Post by: Meganerdbomb on July 08, 2012, 11:35:41 AM
doesn't make him any less wrong, the style is completely different.

Actually it doesn't.  I guess you've never heard the phrase "Themepark MMO" before?
 
A lot more people more qualified than an idiot who uses a photoshop from cracked.com as a source have called it that, and I'd say they are right because they aren't absolute morons complaining about boogiemen on a forums like a manchild trying to clutch onto their NESalgia goggles.
Pretty much. I don't see why modern war FPS's get so much flack, if only casuals play them then what's the point of complaining about them ? it's just like the plebs that like Justin Bieber and Kesha and Katy Perry, if only plebs like that crap it's not keeping artists with actual talent from making money..
Watch it I happen to like Ke$ha & Katy Perry (But JB deserves a shotgun to the balls)

Bieber is 100 times better than the pile of sh** that is KE$HA, jussayin'.