Unreal's Ultraforce!

[Conraaa]

For the Vs I would put a wedge on it, swap the direction of the teeth around and run it backwards. Presuming the side with the extenders is the front. Then it would be an awesome vs/gutripper thing. :D
Wait he's gone? Bloody Naryar.

[Philippa]

Cheers Nary.

I really liked Unreal's bots. I thought he was a fairly decent IRL builder.

[madman3]

Nary's the new Inf:P

Bots were cool though, I liked the poker.

[Scorpion]

To be fair, he obviously couldn't take constructive criticism very well, or he is just quite emotional and left in a bawww fit because his feelings were hurt.

[Mr. AS]

waitwaitwait are you leaving and making a huge deal of it just because someone gave you advice to help you build more efficiently? you can have efficiency AND originality, like when crawlers (umadnary xd) and pop-ups were first made
you have little chance of improving your bot building if you dont take advice and not taking advice makes you look n00by
ps that vs doesnt have much reach

[Badnik96]

nooooo just when you began to show potential

We need to keep people from posting harsh comments in showcases or we will lose way too many members. wakkydude (who stopped showcasing), Unreal, who's gonna be next?

[ty4er]

he just overreacted badly, his fault really.

[Hercules]

chill, nary chill please

[Urjak]

Wow, scaring somebody off the forums with just a single post? Bravo Naryar!

In all seriousness, a member who leaves because of one comment about their bot building has no place here showcasing bots IMO.

[Sage]

It's a showcase guys, not a courtroom. People can post what they want. If it's OBVIOUS they aren't going for super efficient, why continue to give them advice?

[Badnik96]

This, this, this and this.

[R0B0SH4RK]

Originality means EVERYTHING.

Nonsense. Let's take the ultimate example of an original bot, a bot built entirely randomly. There's a very good chance it looks like a garbled mess of components, can't drive at all, is ugly and generally useless. In both IRL and DSL. And you say originality means everything ?

Also, you want to build entirely original ? Go and check all bot pictures that have ever existed then, and do not take advice at all.

This is the straw-iest straw man I've seen in a long, long time. Randomness is not originality. Not even close. If this isn't just your hubris and you really think that there is a correlation between the randomness of a bot and it's originality... well, you're pretty much completely wrong.


The reason why we value the concept of originality here is because it's innately difficult. Truly effective original designs require infinitely more conceptual and perceptual problem solving skills and creativity than do simple efficient clones of other people's building. When we fawn over Clickbeetle, it's not because we think that he randomly mashed his keyboard until something cool came out, we admire the thought process and problem solving that he must have gone through to arrive at an original bot.


If there was no more to building than the infinite monkey theorem, then yes, your "truly original random bot" argument would make sense. But we know that this simply isn't true. Originality requires the imagination to conceptualize, the cognitive skills to perceptualize and the building skills to construct(ualize?).

It's a showcase guys, not a courtroom. People can post what they want.

 


This.


Although I disagree with the "why continue to give them advice" bit. We give advice in order to give those willing to learn the tools and abilities to become a more effective builder, not to shape them in our own molds of what we deem to be acceptable. We all have to walk before we can run though, so we have generally encouraged new members to clone. This isn't because we all hate creativity and we're some oppressive communist police state (although sometimes I wonder...), but because cloning designs is an effective way to master techniques like eFFe glitching, stacking, and axle loading.


Before Unreal ragequit - and let's be honest, you really have to be able to take some criticism here - I liked what I saw. But there is a better way to give advice than "a) is horrible, b) is horrible, c) is horrible... what else... ah yes! d) is also horrible!" Because that isn't being helpful. That's being arrogant.

[Jonzu95]

I'm not surprised here... I've had feeling that something like this happens some day.

[Scorpion]

At the end of the day however, it is a game and it was his ability at the game that Naryar was criticising, he did not mean it personally and yet Unreal obviously took it that way.
Badnik, it would be a travesty if comments in showcases were censored simply if they could seem to be harshly critical, it would inevitably end in a bawww-fest from one of the more sensitive members to have another member punished for simply posting constructive criticism, even if said advice is only poorly communicated.

[Reier]

Quit hatin on Nary guys. Yeah, he probably took this too seriously, but not even close to the level Unreal did. Geez, it's a showcase. If you don't want advice, ask not to have it, or just don't post your bots if you can't handle it. Don't go freaking out when people say their tips/opinions.
Nary didn't do anything wrong, quit overreacting, people.
If Unreal left on a trivial thing like this, then good riddance. I'm fine with him staying, but this is nuts.