Author Topic: The DSL Super Efficient Designs of The Ounce (Read 107410 times)

Naryar · « **Reply #540 on:** June 25, 2010, 03:48:01 AM »

Good to see you're building different :P

The Ounce · « **Reply #541 on:** June 26, 2010, 05:44:46 PM »

A SHW from one of my v2.4 teams, Epicycle:

9 ants, 5mm titanium, 360kgs of sledgehammers on 3 medium Perm 132s, one halfsheet, steel and plastic skirt protecting the bottom.

Yes it can run both ways up, but I had to use an extra flipper segment in the setup to make it so.

Very good at sweeping away opponents, as expected from HS/SnS hybrids, but for some reason, it loses its weapons easily against wedge-less VSs. I'm probably going to fix that by shortening the Perms, lengthening the bars holding the hammers, and using the perpendicular AP on the hammers to attach them. Hopefully the weapon bars will be more protected then.

1mm titanium, 3 ants.

Slower drive unfortunately, but at least it doesn't havok.

And this...

5mm titanium, 2 halfsheets on the bottom, 8 100cm sawblades on 4 Perm 80s, 8 ants, and NPC fasts.

Typical sawbot, but I don't know about the wedges.

Naryar · « **Reply #542 on:** June 26, 2010, 06:24:26 PM »

Requiem v2 ?

Badnik96 · « **Reply #543 on:** June 26, 2010, 06:28:15 PM »

Nice skins, do those come with 2.3?

Naryar · « **Reply #544 on:** June 26, 2010, 06:35:02 PM »

Yes they do.

The Ounce · « **Reply #545 on:** June 26, 2010, 06:42:45 PM »

Quote from: Naryar on June 26, 2010, 06:24:26 PM

Requiem v2 ?

Bingo!

Also I never noticed that SHW before. Yours does look more vulnerable though.

Somebody · « **Reply #546 on:** June 26, 2010, 07:41:21 PM »

Ounce's is better. Better drive, identical weapons, and i don't know the HP on the Mag Gearbox and Perm. Gonna guess that the perm is higher though.

Pwnator · « **Reply #547 on:** June 26, 2010, 09:41:49 PM »

Ounce's sawbot looks like a better candidate for a Gammaraze rebuild. :D

123savethewhales · « **Reply #548 on:** June 26, 2010, 10:00:31 PM »

Looks good. Though I usually prefer plastic 5 + external armor over titanium 5. Actually I been dropping my armor to as low as titanium 1 even for HW and focus the weight on static external armors.

The Ounce · « **Reply #549 on:** June 26, 2010, 11:15:00 PM »

Quote from: Pwnator on June 26, 2010, 09:41:49 PM

Ounce's sawbot looks like a better candidate for a Gammaraze rebuild. :D

That was the intention, but yours probably has the better wedge.

Quote from: 123savethewhales on June 26, 2010, 10:00:31 PM

Looks good. Though I usually prefer plastic 5 + external armor over titanium 5. Actually I been dropping my armor to as low as titanium 1 even for HW and focus the weight on static external armors.

I would add top armor on this if I could, but any kind will ruin the invertibility except for 2 skirts on a ME, which doesn't really protect it well.

123savethewhales · « **Reply #550 on:** June 26, 2010, 11:44:54 PM »

Skirts are design to be super thin so they can function as wedges. Therefore the higher they are from the chassis the more effective they are.

Chassis height that can mount a ME at 0.35 height ranges from 0.43 to 0.48. Normally dragging the bar down ends you up at 0.45 ish which isn't so good. If you click a little lower to 0.43 ish it will provide a lot more protection. Problem is you never know if you got a good click unless you later open it up on notepad. I guess just viewing isn't consider BFE right? Not that I am against BFE chassis height per say, so long as it's not below 0.338182 (lowest possible bot lab height).

Of course, this also mean that the steel skirt on the bottom is not protecting your chassis at all.

The Ounce · « **Reply #551 on:** June 28, 2010, 05:22:15 PM »

Presenting Pulsar XDB:

5mm titanium, NPC Fasts, 3 halfsheets, and everything else is visible.

Finally dealt with that Dual Perm nonsense, so the weapons are better, and of course it's more stable.

and two updates:

I changed the armor on Epicycle to 5mm plastic to lengthen the weapon bars, but now it has much less armor.

ReFraction now has wider weapon racks and more external armor (in exchange for 5mm plastic though), and now has a greater chance against RPP.

Naryar · « **Reply #552 on:** June 28, 2010, 05:23:38 PM »

Is it really better to armor the front rather than putting weapons on it ?

The Ounce · « **Reply #553 on:** June 28, 2010, 06:20:08 PM »

In this case, yes. Having a wide weapon stance like this (necessary in order to beat RPP and other larger bots) leaves the front wide open, and the only way to completely protect it is with that armor, since there are no weapons light enough and can cover as much area.

123savethewhales · « **Reply #554 on:** June 28, 2010, 06:34:41 PM »

But now it will be weak against most VS, as the front no longer returns damage.

The Ounce · « **Reply #555 on:** June 28, 2010, 07:16:14 PM »

ReFraction was never really good against VSs anyway...

123savethewhales · « **Reply #556 on:** June 28, 2010, 07:23:17 PM »

And FS, since they won't have to get through much weapons to get at your chassis directly, but then I guess FS are rare anyway.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #557 on:** June 28, 2010, 10:27:52 PM »

did you ever see Free Hugs 3 ?

you could use a system like that... have it use a rotates chassis to you can use a caster or 2 as Armour ?

The Ounce · « **Reply #558 on:** July 05, 2010, 02:29:17 PM »

Haven't had a lot of ideas lately, but I built this:

5mm titanium, NPC fasts (*insert certain M. Bison quote here*), 5 ants for maximum motor output, 8 large beater bars and small DS teeth, 2 half-sheets.

I question why I built it so close to the deadline. I wanted to stick to the design of the original, while improving on it at the same time. Definitely more stable than the original, but just as deadly, as seen in this test battleshot.

Naryar · « **Reply #559 on:** July 05, 2010, 03:48:24 PM »

send plz