Martymidgets DSL Showcase

[NFX]

Okay, I've done the maths, and the chassis must weigh 75.3kg. I'm not entirely sure it does, not with Tite 3. I sense stackage.

[martymidget]

Theres 2 halfsheets on the bottom and 3 40cm tite skirts in the back as a stabilser.:P

[NFX]

I counted 3 halfsheets on the bottom, and I thought the stabilisers were steel. That makes the chassis 93.3, by my sums.

[martymidget]

64.3, actually.. :P

Though while dismantling a copy of it I found 2 extra razors, which i must have put there while effeeing. Lol

[martymidget]

DP

So. Cloning, eh?!



Well, very nearly. I always wanted to try and clone fat rat, as it has caused me so many problems. But, I wanted to make it slightly different. So I put saws on it, and some snowploughs at the back. And a few more minor differences. And thats builders block sorted for a bit, expect a few sawbots soon. :P

[Scorpion]

DP

So. Cloning, eh?!


Well, very nearly. I always wanted to try and clone fat rat, as it has caused me so many problems. But, I wanted to make it slightly different. So I put saws on it, and some snowploughs at the back. And a few more minor differences. And thats builders block sorted for a bit, expect a few sawbots soon. :P

Oh why would you want to clone, it annoys me.
Still that said, I don't know what your cloning there, but that does look cool.
You should probably use stronger disks though, i'm not sure of the hp of mechavore disks, but you don't want your saws coming off in battle do ya 

[Somebody]

From my experiences I have found Mechavore discs the best. But it is a very limited experience, limited meaning the week I spent trying to build a robot for BTTB 2.

[Pwnator]

ALL OF MY BOTS HAVE TERRIBLE WEDGES, OKAY (yes, and Time Bomb just has above-average wedges)? :P

And how many saws does it pack?

[Naryar]

fail weapons

[martymidget]

ALL OF MY BOTS HAVE TERRIBLE WEDGES, OKAY (yes, and Time Bomb just has above-average wedges)? :P

I know, its just not often I ko monochrome 

And how many saws does it pack?

Four. May need more, but it seems to be very effective...:P

[madman3]

I always though Minion discs were the best . Looks pretty good.

[Naryar]

259 discs are best due to high fracture

[Scorpion]

fail weapons

Good point.
Why the big ol' saws?
You could have made it a popup or a VS.

Instead it looks to me like a VS in a popup's body.
Also the snowplows on the back look like they're straight from a juggler, although I get your probably using them to stop the opponent robot from flying upwards.
Although TBH I can't see much from that battle pic, i'm still surprised if that is effective, especially if it gets out wedged.

[123savethewhales]

You know, part of Fat Rat's design is the open center, allowing it to beat uni-wedge designs.

[Scorpion]

Even assuming that bot was facing a bot with one skirt wedge in the middle, it would still be able to get underneath through the snowplows, and frankly I think that's a shoddy defence against being outwedged. Especially since it's only against one kind of wedge.

Still, if he wanted to clone a bot then fair enough, but even then he could keep the open middle part (and the general body shape) and implement better weapons.

[123savethewhales]

There's no such thing as "defense against being outwedged".  If there is then you won't see this much wedge bots around.

Your only choice against wedge are
1.  Have the better wedge (or whoever luck out in the first rush)
2.  Wedgeless VS
3.  De-weapon from above (top/bottom potter armor, or some kind of HS made to fight on top)
4.  Sweep (Flail SnS)
5.  Heavy armored with Self Right (only works when combined with 1)

The next question would be, how do you  have one of these features without getting slaughtered by Flail SnS?  2 is eliminated.  3 only works when combine with 4.  Since 1 is typically uncontrollable, that leaves 4 and 5.

Armored Flail SnS beats VS, Most wedges, HS, S, and other Flail SnS
Armored Wide Popups with perfect self right beats Most Armored Flail SnS, shell, HS, slight advantage over other wedge
Armored VS beats Wedge, some shell.

Probably why those are the only 2 types of bots I build nowadays.  Flail SnS (with armor), and armored wide popup with self right.

Alternatively, you can save yourself the headache by trying to beat just one type of bot, and that what the original Fat Rat was intended to do; to kill Flail SnS.

[Scorpion]

There's no such thing as "defense against being outwedged".  If there is then you won't see this much wedge bots around.

Your only choice against wedge are
1.  Have the better wedge (or whoever luck out in the first rush)
2.  Wedgeless VS
3.  De-weapon from above (top/bottom potter armor, or some kind of HS made to fight on top)
4.  Sweep (Flail SnS)
5.  Heavy armored with Self Right (only works when combined with 1)

The next question would be, how do you  have one of these features without getting slaughtered by Flail SnS?  2 is eliminated.  3 only works when combine with 4.  Since 1 is typically uncontrollable, that leaves 4 and 5.

Flail SnS beats VS, Most wedges, HS, S, and other Flail SnS
Potter Armored Flail SnS beats VS, Wedges, HS, S, and other Flail SnS
Armored Wide Popups with perfect self right beats Non Pottered Armored Flail SnS, shell, HS, slight advantage over other wedge
Armored VS beats Wedge, some shell.

Probably why those are the only 2 types of bots I build nowadays.  Flail SnS (with armor), and armored wide popup with self right.

Alternatively, you can save yourself the headache by trying to beat just one type of bot, and that what the original Fat Rat was intended to do; to kill Flail SnS.

To keep a variety of bots though, most people will just put wedges on anyway and hope they're the lucky ones.
It's annoying, if there was a sure fire way to making  the best wedges it would make things a lot more interesting. Or if wedges just weren't in the game, like backlash I believe.

Still I think we're getting slightly off-topic, I didn't say change the shape, I don't think that's necessary. I simply think that better weaponry could be placed on this bot.

[123savethewhales]

To keep a variety of bots though, most people will just put wedges on anyway and hope they're the lucky ones.
It's annoying, if there was a sure fire way to making  the best wedges it would make things a lot more interesting.

Nope.  The moment another niche is discover that improves wedge power, everyone would copy it.  It's the same when everyone ditch skirt hinge for metal hinge, and strait skirt to angle skirt to small wedge + extender.  So it will still come down to luck in the end.

I agree that pre-made disk tends to suck.  The original has 200kg worth of DS light so as to not get de-weaponed so easily.

[Scorpion]

To keep a variety of bots though, most people will just put wedges on anyway and hope they're the lucky ones.
It's annoying, if there was a sure fire way to making  the best wedges it would make things a lot more interesting.

Nope.  The moment another niche is discover that improves wedge power, everyone would copy it.  It's the same when everyone ditch skirt hinge for metal hinge, and strait skirt to angle skirt to small wedge + extender.  So it will still come down to luck in most cases

I agree that pre-made disk tends to suck.  The original has 200 kg worth of DS light so as to not get de-weaponed by S/SnS so easily.

Yeah, I know it will still come down to luck, I just mean it would be better if there was not the huge luck value in it.

Then again, that would probably just mean that any bots with wedges would cancel each other out, and that would be even more dull.

[martymidget]

I agree with most of those points above. Another thing which annoys me is invincible halfsheet armour, even though I use it to attach a whole robot sometimes.

Anyways, following scorpions advice of adding a weapon and making it a pure popup or VS, i made it a popup. A fairly realistic one, as they go. :P



Large JX's, Tite 3, A large amount of razors. Poly angled skirts of self righting. :P