What do you like/dislike about DSL!

[Siphai]

I also think that the Monopoly arena and the Pyramid arena should be put into the tabletop category.

With the Pyramid arena, there should be some indacite (A line etc.) as to when you have gone too far off the Pyramid.

The Cave arena should be shortend down for less lagging, or taken off the tourny list.

But all in all, the replicas are excellent.
Also the level of realism that you have added to RA2 is incredible. I think you all have done an excellent job in trying to make a game as real as possible. It is almost nothing like the orgional game.

[toAst]

I also think you should get the Cave arena off of the tourney arenas list. The arena lags just enough to mess up my driving, and now I just forfeit every tourney with that arena.

[DarkRat]

Have any of you tried the cave arena since the patch ?
I put it as two player which reduced lag quite a bit. just wondering if it's still too much lag.
for arena's object's that don't move don’t cause much lag at all.. but as soon as you get things moving things slow down.. the boulder will slow things down and when you have 3 or 4 boulders moving this is where the lag comes in. LT made the cave arena and i find it's one of the best to play in. If LT comes back maybe we can do something about removing something but right now we kind of have our hands tied with this.
But let me know if you tried it since the patch and if it's any better.

I totally agree about arena's should be in different categories. But we had a problem with that. While we were able to do many things never done before one thing we did not figure out yet is how to make a arena work as a tabletop or king of the hill. if i put the monopoly arena in the table top category all bot's stop moving. same for king of the hill.. arena's can't be just moved around easy.
our crack arena maker is/was Lu-Tze and we don't have her around right now to advance much on arena's. Goose AW and I have made arena's but none of us are nearly as good as she is and so far we don't know why a table top is a table top arena.. the arena may look and work like a tabletop but in the game it does not recognize it as one.

DSL is a ongoing project and hopefully we made some major steps forward with the V1.1 patch. But over time we may see the need for V 1.2 to further balance this mod out. it was a major undertaking with so many parts and so much new that there was thousands of things that could have went wrong. extensive testing allowed us to to come pretty close on our firt attempt. and feedback from you guys allowed us to fix some things over looked or some things we just plain made mistakes on. More feed back will allow us to improve it even more... and since DSL is mot a one person project this allows many to carry on with the ball and the possibility of seeing some major addons or even a full blown V2.0 down the road.
DSL TC we hope set the new standard and if we were successful in this the project will add much more life to the game and allow it to live on longer than it could have ever hoped to by simple AI pack using the same old methods of bot building or new part packs that gave the few that wanted them something new to use.
This is a clean slate.. everyone has the same NEW parts so there is no more " That’s not stock" comments will come from DSL part’s. These are the new Stock parts and once all balanced the whole RA2 community will be better off for it.

[dr.phalange]

Likes:
I like all of the new components, arenas, and AI bots that aren't impossible to beat (looks at the AU BB pack).

Dislikes:
I don't like how some of the old components are no longer available (without changing anything).

[Clickbeetle]

Currently with the motors set as they are, you are very hard pressed to make a half good spinner, and the bursts make pop-ups a joke.

  The motors are ALL a little more powerful than the ones they replaced.
The 132 Perms are more powerful than HP Zteks and the smaller 80 Perms are more powerful than the std Zteks.

The NPC T-64 are designed to replace the redbirds, but are as powerful as Zteks, the fast is more powerful than the HP Ztek. The little slimbody is like the redbirds, and the tiny astro is like the angle motors, so your complaint in that area is invalid.

Erm... I don't know if my patch didn't install right or what, because all my motors except the NPC's are way less powerful than they used to be.
Perm 132 power = 48 25
6mag gearbox power = 48 56
Perm 80 power = 40 25
and so on
I'd have to agree with micro-maul on the spinners, it's very hard to make a good spinning weapon with those settings, and FBS's are totally out of the question, they are just too heavy for the motors to spin.  I hope those really aren't supposed to be the stats on the spin motors, I liked in version 1.0 how spinners actually spun as fast  as they did in real life.  The drive motors are good, though, I like the 1.1 versions of those.

[DarkRat]

CB we did a total rework of the motors you cant really look at what power it had before. sure the power is less but the draw may be more and the maxinoutrate also changed.
batterys had to be changed to do this so here is what you need to compare to in oder to understand them. take a stock Z-Tek look at its draw max in out and powers then look at one of the perms.. every motor should be a tad better than any stock version to stop the people from unlocking old parts. . if the motor was geared you got max speed higher. most motors weight more and draw more than originals but have more power.

here is the stock ztek
power = 36 24
elecMaxInOutRate = -200

now here is the perm
power = 48 25
elecMaxInOutRate = -425

as you can see it has much more power than the ztek and a small amount of torque more.
but it also draws more power.
here is the stock High power Z-tek which was the strogest motor in the game for spinners before.
power = 36 48
elecMaxInOutRate = -400

as you can see all the HP had was more torque

I did not do the motor balence so i am going by the directions i gave to go by for them.
At least this was my understanding of how they were supposed to be done.

[micro-maul]

I've personally resorted to stocked (as some people used to do with the z-tecs) team wyachi spinners for any half decent spinner. I thought the idea was that the motors were meant to be more realistic, not just slightly better than the RA2 stock parts?

[DarkRat]

I've personally resorted to stocked (as some people used to do with the z-tecs)  I thought the idea was that the motors were meant to be more realistic, not just slightly better than the RA2 stock parts?

Your right that was/Is our goal.

[NeutronHInc]

I just finished downloading and installing DSL...

Holy Shizznite! Being an all techno music man... PERFECT choice on the music! I haven't gotten into building or fighting yet, but if the music impresses me, the rest is sure to follow!

After I download and install the patch, I plan to start building! I have gone through the parts, and I must say... Very Nice! As long as these parts are not over powered like that AU AI pack was, I'm sure RA2 will take StarCraft's place as my favorite game!

I'll be sure to post more comments after more testing! :D

EDIT: I don't know how you guys feel about double posting, so I'm just going to edit this post.

Likes
-Music (techno and robots, perfect combo there guys!)
-All the new parts (nicely done!)
-House Robots! (I've always wanted to fight them!)
-All the new arenas!

Dislikes
-Slow motors! I've used every single motor for drive... Can't get a good rambot, they are too slow! I've used every single motor for spinning weapons... Can't get a good VSpinner or HSpinner, they are too slow!
--You really need to rework motor speeds.
-DSL Space Arena! The middle platform goes down too fast, causing damage. Also, when it gets almost to the top, it does this NASTY jerk, causing the bot to be LAUNCHED into orbit and come crashing down causing massive damage. This Must Be Fixed! One of two(or both) ways to make this area the best... Tweak the middle platform lowering speed and fix the nasty jerk at the top. OR... Have a long ramp that starts at the very edge of the arena and works its way around the arena to one of the upper platforms, this ramp should be wide enough to fit any sized bot, and an easy grade, so even the slowest bots can get to the top. There should also be a wall on the outside of the ramp so you do fall off and go OUT of the arena, leave the inside open so you can ram a bot off and make him start all over again! :D
-Part Weights! Some are just too heavy! Like the hammers, how am I supposed to make a good thwack bot when it goes slow? Lower the weights or make the burst motors more powerful.

[duh102]

Again, more power or speed to the motors. Then, if you can, change the max connections to allow lots more. Also, I noticed that DSL is a lot less tolerant of multiple motor connections. Ever tried to put a perm on a lat servo piston?

[Sp¥ke]

I love this!  :lol:
The only problem is the speed of some motors(I'll have to tweak them )and the heavy components.
Good Job!

[AceG]

LIKES:
-The new arenas
-The new parts
-The new garage

DISLIKES:
-The text/comments about some parts get off the screen so you cant read the whole text
-Check the names of the parts! These part names should be changed:

betaburst>Betaburst
FLipper Maker>Flipper maker
multiextender>Multi extender
aluminium>Aluminium (the skirt part)
shred wheel>Shred wheel
robotxwheel>RobotX wheel
pussycat Wheel>Pussycat wheel
backlash Wheel>Backlash wheel
technowheel>Techno wheel
hammerhead01>Hammerhead 1
hammerhead02>Hammerhead 2
hammerhead03>Hammerhead 3
hammerhead04>Hammerhead 4
Hammer Head>Hammerhead
matildatooth>Matilda tooth
hypnotooth>Hypno tooth
sirclaw>Killalot claw
backlashdisc>Backlash disc
clepblade>Cleprechaun disc
hypnodisc>Hypno disc
mechdisc>Mechavore disc
miniondisc>Minion disc
pussycatblade>Pussycat disc
ronindisc>Ronin disc
supernovadisc>Supernova disc
whirldisc>Whirl whep disc
double disc>Billy bot disc
vladpoker>Vlad spike
sirdrill>Killalot drill
matildaweapon>Matilda weapon
matildashornsleft>Matilda spikes
robotxspike>RobotX spike
tornadospike>Tornado spike
lightningspike>Lightning spike
typhoonspike>Typhoon spike
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that was just some of them, but i think you get the picture.
-Bots are too hard!
-Stronger Tminus snapper

Hope you can fix this!!! :o  //Acegikmo

[Bryce Genesis]

Likes:
New interface,
New AI
New Tourneys
New Arenas

Dislikes:
Slow motors
The chassis lines (those graph papery things) Why? the original lines could double as measuring tools, but the new lines are too small to be used as such. The measuring tool in extras is a little tough to use, as I have always relyed on the lines. Also, since the larger lines are gone, my bots are more off-center.
Some of the connecting points are kind of odd.

[Deceptor]

LIKES:
-The new arenas
-The new parts
-The new garage

DISLIKES:

-Bots are too hard!
-Stronger Tminus snapper

Hope you can fix this!!! :o  //Acegikmo

well, maybe you should get better at the game,(or build better bots) i have no problem with the AI bots.

Anyone else have problems with the AI?

[goose]

i do...

but i suck at bot building.
i think they are fine

[DarkRat]

the smaller lines on the chassis are to give you better percision. because they are smaller you can count exact lines instead of guessing if you are about in the center of a box.
Some txt's are crap.
Measure tool is easy to put on it will attach anywhere but i still use the chassis lines i find it easer.
I also have a hard time with drive motors keeping them exactl but i wonder if its not the parts.

[Metal Virus]

The absolute only thing I don't like about it is.....

It runs way too lagy.  I know you have heard this a million times before, but today I got back into playing the game and I can't even build a bot because it lags to much.  It took me about a half hour to get a few motors in a bot.

If there is some way to fix this you really should.  I like DSL, but it isn't any good if you can't build bots.

[Metal Virus]

Never Mind.  I just fixed my lag problem and started making a big vertical spinner like abombination.

[Tygron007]

Well for the table top stuff... is there an option somewhere in 3ds max to make it a tabe or k.o.t.h.? also how are we suppose to have 4 people in the obstical course if it is in 2 oponet olny area? and you know the ramp to get to the area with the hazard floor? well the rapm up to there has a second part... the second up ramp has no collision... you fall through and get stuck... under the ramp... either take that second part out... or put colision there! also one of my best 1.0 bots got to a SHW bot after the 1.2 patch! I had to take batteries out and that made it weaker... but my problem with it not working properly was fixed scince I now have insightbb and downloaded it in a minute... fixed it all! but the burst ajust thing was still kicking me out of the game... but I had a backup of that file... anyway...

Like:AI reps
arenas
parts
reskins... base plate etc...

Dislike:need ALL house bots
the above obstical cource problem
the RW arena is still "mirrored" (check the robot wars arena topic in dst 2.0 ideas...)
FBS's don't spin up fast enough
need more control bords.. for the fun of it
shell... like RC cars... computers (like the robotica robot evil bever)... etc...
more batteries... different battery types...
motors... maybe old "salvaged" RC car parts
need some robotica arenas and bots... to use
tornado mer gearbox (4/6 motor gear box) too laggy if not in right spot... aka this part is intersecting another part and you need to move it over a littler bit...
update AI pics! we don't need to see that tornado used granny's before you made a tornado wheel... btw you all say that wheels aren't possiball... well what do you call all this stuff!? (hypno wheel, taz wheel, etc...)
more flipping style parts...
a rep of Beta... hecko you all have the burst! why not a bot!?

ok that seems that that is all... sorry if it is too jumbled...

EDIT:dislike... I can't make good flipers...

what we need: a NEW diesector... the one with the shiny blades and jaws... a "easy beast" rep with all weapons... "root canal" rep... and the ant "incinerator"

thats it for now... oh and a biger test arena.. with like 2 or 3 levels... and drops... and the fliper in the grarage does not flip... all you do is hit it... and fly ofer it... and it reverses controls while on it... fix that please! itneeds to flip... like take 3 seconds then fly!

[ZAPPPZ]

I DEFINIFTLY dislike the ai bots. WWWWWAAAAYYYY 2 hard 2 beat.
Someone Please Fix It.