Author Topic: SLoad a DDT? (Read 2676 times)

nightcracker · « **on:** May 31, 2011, 09:35:46 AM »

I tried Sloading a DDT for my popup, but firing the DDT made the snapper spin too, rapidly. In fact, it threw my ~400 kilo bot to the surface of the test chamber.

Is it possible to Sload a DDT, or any other tricks to squeeze our <3 DDT's?

Pwnator · « **Reply #1 on:** May 31, 2011, 09:39:36 AM »

Quote from: nightcracker on May 31, 2011, 09:35:46 AM

to the surface of the test chamber.

You made it sound like you're building a portal gun lolololololololol

Let us see the setup. Either for some reason it's havok-prone or the game just downright hates you. D:

nightcracker · « **Reply #2 on:** May 31, 2011, 09:46:00 AM »

I had already deleted the setup, but here you go (quickly reassembled it):

Edit:
To clarify, only one snapper is used, the other is dummy ATM. The DDT is connect to the snapper, the extender with randomly placed razors on the DDT.

Pwnator · « **Reply #3 on:** May 31, 2011, 09:49:03 AM »

Ah. Snapper IIs tend to be excitable (really excitable, actually), when very few components are attached to one side (and one side only). Attach your drive to the secret attachment points of the snappers and the glitchiness will be gone.

nightcracker · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2011, 09:56:54 AM »

Quote from: Pwnator on May 31, 2011, 09:49:03 AM

Ah. Snapper IIs tend to be excitable (really excitable, actually), when very few components are attached to one side (and one side only). Attach your drive to the secret attachment points of the snappers and the glitchiness will be gone.

Thanks, now I can continue super-compacting my popup :D I was inspired by NFX's bot, but I can't figure out how he placed one DDT (or two, one each side):

EDIT: WOW, that is the nicest arrow I've EVER drawn.

Pwnator · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:01:32 AM »

The first pair of DDTs are on the baseplate and the second pair came off the secret APs of the Snapper IIs via 20cms (do this pair first before the pair on the baseplate).

NFX · « **Reply #6 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:21:47 AM »

Pwn has it. First DDT was attached to the secret AP via a 20cm extender during Snapper Loading, then the second one was attached directly to the baseplate. Snapper Loading does get you some AGOD if you try to use lots of stuff, though, so you might have to be wary of that. I got a lot of that when I built Halestorm 7, especially on the wheels.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2011, 10:31:23 AM »

Quote from: Pwnator on May 31, 2011, 09:39:36 AM

You made it sound like you're building a portal gun lolololololololol

Will there be cake?

General rule of thumb keep moving bursts (weapons, etc) static to avoid.. err.. undesired effects

nightcracker · « **Reply #8 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:12:40 AM »

Quote from: NFX on May 31, 2011, 10:21:47 AM

Pwn has it. First DDT was attached to the secret AP via a 20cm extender during Snapper Loading, then the second one was attached directly to the baseplate. Snapper Loading does get you some AGOD if you try to use lots of stuff, though, so you might have to be wary of that. I got a lot of that when I built Halestorm 7, especially on the wheels.

Hah!

It's quite a complicated sequence of axle loading and snapper loading, but I got it. The only thing that I still need to figure out is the order to get the ramplate inside the DDT, but then I can start building (given that my chassis is right now).

Is this chassis about right (DDT with razor added for reference)?

NFX · « **Reply #9 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:17:07 AM »

It looks about right. You could try to put the baseplate DDT's, SnapperII's and Blacks in, just to see if it all does fit. You can remove the DDT's to SLoad the SnapperII's, then put them back in once the stuff's out of the way.

nightcracker · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:21:48 AM »

Quote from: NFX on May 31, 2011, 11:17:07 AM

It looks about right. You could try to put the baseplate DDT's, SnapperII's and Blacks in, just to see if it all does fit. You can remove the DDT's to SLoad the SnapperII's, then put them back in once the stuff's out of the way.

I already know, I've been working on this chassis for 2 days now :) EVERY pixel is perfect. The thing I'm mostly worried about is the slope of the front, is it too low/too high?

NFX · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2011, 11:30:08 AM »

It looks alright to me. You just need to make sure you've got enough weight for all the components.

Sage · « **Reply #12 on:** May 31, 2011, 03:09:06 PM »

Ahhh I see what you mean. Try this: Instead of first attached the DDT to the snapperII, attach a RAD motor (reverse angle drive). Sload that, and then remove and replace the DDT instead.

nightcracker · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2011, 03:51:02 PM »

Quote from: Sage on May 31, 2011, 03:09:06 PM

Ahhh I see what you mean. Try this: Instead of first attached the DDT to the snapperII, attach a RAD motor (reverse angle drive). Sload that, and then remove and replace the DDT instead.

I think you misunderstood me. I sloaded the DDT perfectly fine (using a RAD), but the SnapII is just very spinny if there is no counterweight on the "hidden" attachpoint as said above.

Completely offtopic: Sage, I tried to add you on MSN, did you get my request?

Sage · « **Reply #14 on:** May 31, 2011, 04:09:22 PM »

Quote from: nightcracker on May 31, 2011, 03:51:02 PM

Quote from: Sage on May 31, 2011, 03:09:06 PM
Ahhh I see what you mean. Try this: Instead of first attached the DDT to the snapperII, attach a RAD motor (reverse angle drive). Sload that, and then remove and replace the DDT instead.

I think you misunderstood me. I sloaded the DDT perfectly fine (using a RAD), but the SnapII is just very spinny if there is no counterweight on the "hidden" attachpoint as said above.

Completely offtopic: Sage, I tried to add you on MSN, did you get my request?

Oh, I see what you mean.

Also, I never use MSN. I'm pretty much solely AIM now (cause both my MSN and Yahoo got filled with spam). Sorry, I forgot to take my name down on this website.

nightcracker · « **Reply #15 on:** June 04, 2011, 08:55:02 PM »

Another question to NFX, how did you do the ramplates? I tried putting them on the Snapper II's, and they fit perfectly, but I can't get the ramplates right AND get the drivetrain in the right angle while I also must do various glitches with moving the snapper. I put the drivetrain on the "secret" attachment point at the back of the Snapper II and tried the ramplates at the "normal" attachment point of the Snapper II.

Pwnator · « **Reply #16 on:** June 05, 2011, 02:12:44 AM »

Do this:

Snapper II secret AP -> 20cm holding a DDT at the end -> 20cm off the previous extender on the AP closest to the snapper -> another 20cm with the furthest sideways AP holding a 40cm (I think) and the ramplate -> 20cm with the drive

nightcracker · « **Reply #17 on:** June 05, 2011, 09:21:13 AM »

No no, I said it wrong, I meant the two ram plates up front :)

Pwnator · « **Reply #18 on:** June 05, 2011, 09:26:02 AM »

I thought you already attached them directly to the snapper arms?

nightcracker · « **Reply #19 on:** June 05, 2011, 09:42:45 AM »

It's hard to explain.

First I attach an extender to the real attachment point of the Snapper II. On that extender I put the ramplate. Now I must rotate the Snapper II until the ramplate is perfect.
Next I attach the drivetrain and Sloaded DDT through an extender on the "secret" attachment point of the Snapper II. All of this must be positioned correctly by rotating the extender. This works fine.

But when I garage and back the extender "rotates back" into the "normal" (non-rotated) position which causes either the drivetrain or the ramplate to be completely out-of-place.