Author Topic: Robots Types (Read 12064 times)

Sparkey98 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2010, 06:21:19 PM »

I know a

of alot more than robot combat then you!
who was the first FBS?
thwack?
lifter?
VS?
competition?
SS?

you clearly need to reread my posts, do I need to post a pic???? sidewinder does NOT spin entirely!!!!! he is an unrealistic bot with a spinning body!!!!!!

Virus Bomb · « **Reply #21 on:** February 25, 2010, 06:30:30 PM »

so FBS is basically an SnS?

Sparkey98 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 25, 2010, 06:31:08 PM »

yep, but with one arm or teeth

Virus Bomb · « **Reply #23 on:** February 25, 2010, 06:39:21 PM »

So it's a thwack bot? wtf?

Scrap Daddy · « **Reply #24 on:** February 25, 2010, 07:19:50 PM »

God damn it, sparkey pisses me off. Especially the fact that he thinks he's all knowing because he's read a few archives on the old forum.
OKAY

SnS- Multitudes in NAR AI. Grey Cloud, Cataclysm, etc. A bot that literally, SITS AND SPINS. This includes HS/SnS hybrids like Hurricane and SnSnSnSnS. Thwacks are also considered this imo, but again, can have their own class.
MSnS- Feeblemind, The Bot You Like To Hate, etc. Still considered a SnS with a special py imo but it can have its own class. A bot that uses the new py where it uses melty brain style movement. BLADE RUNNER WAS A MSnS by our qualification.
Sheck Spinners- Grog the Vengeful, Steel Meatball, etc. A bot where a shell surrounding the bot spins on a motor.
FBS- Thundercloud and Sidewynder. A bot where the CHASSIS spins but the drive stays stationary.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #25 on:** February 25, 2010, 07:22:42 PM »

HS - robot that uses a dedicated motor to spin weapons.
SnS - a robot that uses drive to spin the whole chassis and weapons with no moment while spinning.
FBS - a robot that uses drive to spin weapons, the robot has "floating electronics" to allow movement while spinning.
SS - robot that uses a dedicated motor to spin weapons attached to part of its external armor usually 2/3.
TCS - robot that uses a dedicated motor to spin weapons attached to the top armor of a robot.

HS - Son Of Whyachi, Hypnodisc
SnS - Gold Digger, (same as Whipper, Thwacker... they are all just funky BB terms)
FBS - Y-Pout, Barbarous 2
SS - Typhoon, Ziggo
TCS - Mauler

SKBT · « **Reply #26 on:** February 25, 2010, 10:08:52 PM »

I have gone thwackbot 1 arm with weapon. SnS 2 or more arms with weapons or using the body as a weapon like Cyclonebot. As for FBS i think that the term covers both kinds of bots.

Naryar · « **Reply #27 on:** February 26, 2010, 05:14:07 AM »

I suggest everyone ignores Sparkey.

And when i am thinking of it, SHS makes me think of a shell spinner rather than an HS/SnS hybrid.

SnS: Robot that SIT AND SPINS and doesn't move. Might be divided thwackers (1 arm : 360 Arc Pounder) and normal SnS with either more arms or things like my old BOTM winner.
HS: Horizontal spinning weapons.
Sheck spinner (could be SHS): Horizontal spinning weapons on a shell setup.
MBSnS: FBS.py
FBS: As said before over 9000 times, things like Hypno, SideWynder and Dark Cloud.

Now adding, there are various hybrids, flails and Trinity weapons (could be subtypes)

IMO FBS.py and FBS_1.py (and 2) could be renamed for less confusion.

Sage · « **Reply #28 on:** February 26, 2010, 10:12:56 AM »

oh, so SHS = shell spinner and SS = Side Spinner? (Like that one bot in my showcase)

And we should have a name for SnS/HS hybrid.

HSnS?

Sparkey98 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 26, 2010, 01:41:19 PM »

I sugest you go to

SnS a robot with 2 or more arms the continuesly spins in place
FBS a 1 amred or teethed self spining robot, like a shell spinner, also, Thunderclouds

lets just call sidewinder/thundercload and continuess thwacks the same thing, FBS

also, I know more than you, again
what were the first
FBS
S spiner?
thwack?
melty brain?
wedge?
treadbot?

G.K. · « **Reply #30 on:** February 26, 2010, 01:43:51 PM »

Quote from: Sparkey98 on February 26, 2010, 01:41:19 PM

also, I know more than you, again

You continue with this arrogance without verified evidence to prove it. Stop. Now.

SKBT · « **Reply #31 on:** February 26, 2010, 01:55:16 PM »

Quote from: Sparkey98 on February 26, 2010, 01:41:19 PM

I sugest you go to
SnS a robot with 2 or more arms the continuesly spins in place
FBS a 1 amred or teethed self spining robot, like a shell spinner, also, Thunderclouds

lets just call sidewinder/thundercload and continuess thwacks the same thing, FBS

also, I know more than you, again
what were the first
FBS
S spiner?
thwack?
melty brain?
wedge?
treadbot?

Sparkey knowing trivial infomation means nothing.

FBS could be weapons attached to body not on arms. Much like the real robot cyclonebot. Builders DB profile. http://www.buildersdb.com/botdetails.asp?botid=635

Sparkey98 · « **Reply #32 on:** February 26, 2010, 03:39:31 PM »

Cylcone bot is a quality example of what i mean!

THAT is an FBS, Irl

Stagfish · « **Reply #33 on:** February 27, 2010, 01:47:37 AM »

melty brain is a sns that moves across the arena by swirling around
you must know about shell spinners, you had a arguement that you could make stock shell spinners
thwacks are like stinger (real life one) but spin around
wedge is a wedge
not sure about treadbots
FBS's use a powerful wep but one wheel but the ai can make them move around the arena

JoeBlo · « **Reply #34 on:** February 27, 2010, 02:02:18 AM »

let me put this one to rest...

this is a FBS

http://www.teamwhyachi.com/ypout.htm

http://www.teamwhyachi.com/misc/y-pout.pdf

http://www.teamwhyachi.com/misc/NavBot.pdf

for an RA2 example go into my DSL showcase and Find Evolve

R0B0SH4RK · « **Reply #35 on:** February 27, 2010, 03:20:49 AM »

I've been meaning to weigh in on this topic for a while now, so here's my two cents worth:

The rampant desire for you guys to want to categorize absolutely every minor adjustment in tried-and-true designs is completely absurd. Already, many of you, especially Naryar, have made stupid distinctions between robot types, and you're just making more that really don't exist. I mean, come on, SnS and MBSnS? How the

do you even make the distinction without AI? And what's really the difference between a "True" Popup and a real popup? Both use wedges, both use bursts, both are designed to gut-rip by swinging a rack of weapons into an opponent's undersides. Other than the fact that I, according to Naryar, can change robot types by adjusting the start and end points of my bursts, THERE IS NO DISTINGUISHABLE DIFFERENCE. NONE. Same with VS and Angled VS, with TS and Juggler, with One-Wheeled HS and HS. Saying that they're completely different bot types is just dumb. If anything, we need less categories, not more.

With this being said, there is a difference (In RA2, Sparkey, NOT REAL LIFE) between an FBS and an SnS. An SnS SITS and SPINS, meaning that without the new .py's its primary mode of attacking would be sitting in one spot, while the enemy attacks it (see: SnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnSnS, Vox). An FBS is basically like an HS or VS, but the weaponry is mounted to a spinning chassis rather than any extenders (see: Thunder Cloud, SlideWynder).

Sage · « **Reply #36 on:** February 27, 2010, 10:59:39 AM »

ROBO, there HAS to be distinctions between bot types, even minor. You know that if you build a popup and then switch the burst so that it fires up it won't be nearly as effective as if you built it with the idea that it was going to fire up. They will end up looking like completely different bots.

When you think of a VS, you won't think of an angled VS.

When you think of HS, you won't immediately come to the conclusion that it has 1 wheel. You will presume it has 2.

But you're talking as if One-wheeled HS is a category to itself. It's just a sub-category under HS. Same with MBSns is under SnS, and angled VS is under VS. We need to categorize in order to gain a mental picture of a bot, and creating sub-categories to do that is mandatory.

R0B0SH4RK · « **Reply #37 on:** February 27, 2010, 02:00:28 PM »

While I do agree that sub-categories and sub-sub-categories and sub-sub-sub-categories will help us percieve robots with greater precision, my question here would be why? The only way I can see that this would be necesary would be if GTM's suddenly banned all pictures, causing us to have to describe our bots to one another. There is absolutely no need to "gain a mental picture" when we have real pictures - it completely defeats the purpose.

You may defend your arguments with something along the lines of: "what if we're trying to describe to a newer member what a bot like Absolute Chaos or NWB is? If we are, then we'll need all of the specific categories we have in order to help them." More description does generally help, but chances are, newer members will not understand the jargon that we use anyways. It's like explaining to a 5 year old how to do Calculus - no matter how specific you get and how detailed you are, they will never understand what you are saying without experience.

Every robot, unless it's a blatant clone, is different from one another. That is why RA2 did not die years ago like it probably should have. The possibilities for new designs and ideas are virtually endless, so it never really repeats - it evolves. Just look at the ideas of CB and 123STW. Consequently, the number of sub-categories for robots is also virtually endless. You want to categorize more for accuracy, but where would it stop? Do you eventually have completely seperate categories for bots with shiny hub wheels and bots with rubber ones? I know I'm probably fighting a losing battle here, and I'm not saying that you guys are wrong, but I do think that you guys are wasting your time and effort and bandwidth on a pointless excersize. Just keep it simple.

G.K. · « **Reply #38 on:** February 27, 2010, 02:01:47 PM »

QFT, especially the bit about the wheels.

kill343gs · « **Reply #39 on:** February 27, 2010, 04:01:50 PM »

I'm completely with R0B0 here, I hate the fact that the term "true popup" even exists. it's overcomplicating something that doesn't need to be complicated, and makes it very hard for people like me who don't build ever single day to keep up.