Author Topic: Loss of Originality? (Read 5147 times)

cephalopod · « **Reply #20 on:** August 04, 2011, 04:52:43 PM »

My thoughts
-The designs are there. We just need to find them.
-Everyone's too worried about efficiency to discover new designs which, over time, could become killers.
-On the BOTM aspect - JB you mentioned stuff not being killed off by a generic spinner/popup - I think the Giraffe votes were like a backlash to the genericness of almost every other entry (besides Firecracker, which almost won anyway, hence proving most people wanted to vote away from the generic HS)

Enigm@ · « **Reply #21 on:** August 04, 2011, 04:58:24 PM »

I don't think there's a loss of originality. Last time I checked, there wasn't very many Enigma juggler's, (yes it's trade mark'd now) Or even, jugglers mixed with pop-ups.

Naryar · « **Reply #22 on:** August 04, 2011, 05:20:12 PM »

Quote from: Enigma on August 04, 2011, 04:58:24 PM

I don't think there's a loss of originality. Last time I checked, there wasn't very many Enigma juggler's, (yes it's trade mark'd now) Or even, jugglers mixed with pop-ups.

There's one in NAR AI if you really want to know.

Enigm@ · « **Reply #23 on:** August 04, 2011, 05:23:57 PM »

Quote from: Naryar on August 04, 2011, 05:20:12 PM

Quote from: Enigma on August 04, 2011, 04:58:24 PM
I don't think there's a loss of originality. Last time I checked, there wasn't very many Enigma juggler's, (yes it's trade mark'd now) Or even, jugglers mixed with pop-ups.

There's one in NAR AI if you really want to know.

There goes me trying to be original...

Badnik96 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 05, 2011, 01:49:52 AM »

I'm original!

*builds something original*

J · « **Reply #25 on:** August 05, 2011, 09:50:14 AM »

Guys, I know the solution to this.
~~Get drunk, and~~Combine 2 or more completely different bot types, then do your best to maximize its potential.
Were bound to find something awesome at some point.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #26 on:** August 05, 2011, 09:55:52 AM »

Talk to Sage.. he is the king of making kickass hybrids

I still love his VS / Juggler Hybrid..

Pwnator · « **Reply #27 on:** August 05, 2011, 09:58:11 AM »

Quote from: J on August 05, 2011, 09:50:14 AM

Combine 2 or more completely different bot types, then do your best to maximize its potential.

SHHHHHHHHHH

You're not supposed to spread my secret. >.<

Scorpion · « **Reply #28 on:** August 05, 2011, 09:59:43 AM »

Try and combine as many bot types as possible in a HW ;P

RpJk · « **Reply #29 on:** August 05, 2011, 10:02:59 AM »

I want to try and make hybrids like Side Hammer/VS and something like Clickbeetle's the Ultimate Sacrifce but make it a Wammer instead of a popup but There is a problem. I don't know where to start. So that is why I bulid Generic Designs.

Urjak · « **Reply #30 on:** August 05, 2011, 10:07:04 AM »

I try to maximize the effectiveness of my previous designs, and try to break new ground in the FSS category. Other than that and total cloning, I don't care much about originality.

Stagfish · « **Reply #31 on:** August 07, 2011, 08:41:41 PM »

There we are, originality is not gone.

Somebody · « **Reply #32 on:** August 07, 2011, 09:13:23 PM »

Eventually. Hi Stag!!! I like the super flying kamikaze cube in the video.

Stagfish · « **Reply #33 on:** August 07, 2011, 09:14:47 PM »

I think I showed a picture of that bot somewhere before, I think everyone ignored it though. Thats old footage though so maybe I uploaded a video.

RpJk · « **Reply #34 on:** August 08, 2011, 01:31:53 PM »

Ok back on topic I am trying to make an original robot but I am doing it from point A to point B for an example below here:

A. A basic HW Brick Crawler-B. Change Discs to Wheels-C. Put motors on front Wheels and attach them to servos-D. Add two axes at top

Kind of like that if you catch my drift.

That Robot is a Spy! · « **Reply #35 on:** August 08, 2011, 01:42:53 PM »

Quote from: RPJK on August 08, 2011, 01:31:53 PM

Ok back on topic I am trying to make an original robot but I am doing it from point A to point B for an example below here:

A. A basic HW Brick Crawler-B. Change Discs to Wheels-C. Put motors on front Wheels and attach them to servos-D. Add two axes at top

Kind of like that if you catch my drift.

A- Done already
B- Would suck
C- Doesn't work, Mr Halitosis (Reier) did that
D- Wouldn't change anything major.

RpJk · « **Reply #36 on:** August 08, 2011, 02:21:44 PM »

Quote from: That Robot is a Spy! on August 08, 2011, 01:42:53 PM

Quote from: RPJK on August 08, 2011, 01:31:53 PM
Ok back on topic I am trying to make an original robot but I am doing it from point A to point B for an example below here:

A. A basic HW Brick Crawler-B. Change Discs to Wheels-C. Put motors on front Wheels and attach them to servos-D. Add two axes at top

Kind of like that if you catch my drift.

A- Done already
B- Would suck
C- Doesn't work, Mr Halitosis (Reier) did that
D- Wouldn't change anything major.

It was an EXAMPLE.

Naryar · « **Reply #37 on:** August 08, 2011, 03:51:06 PM »

I'm going to repeat it 100 times but it isn't hard at all to make an original robot in both stock and DSL. So no, originality isn't dead.

But "originality" isn't EVERYTHING.

What is a bit more hard is to make it original and interesting(possibly includng cool looks), and even harder is to make it original, interesting, and good in combat.

Look at the servo crawler with chained axles on Stag's video. Sure I have never seen such a design, so it can even be called a new robot type. But apart from that, what else ? It's big, looks like a flapping fish on the ground (aka isn't especially cool), is useless in combat and wastes a lot of weight on a very slow drive.

Now for the other more classical crawler... it's original because it uses a very seldomly seen turning system (see Team Faggot) with classic crawler drive. But it isn't especially good at combat.

The best is probably the piston flier. It's cool, rather original, fun to drive, and much more dangerous than the other ones. Though it's still probably very difficult to drive and it has it's drawbacks, notably that being inverted means death. Nevertheless, this can't be called a killer design.

Enigm@ · « **Reply #38 on:** August 08, 2011, 03:53:12 PM »

Really, what makes a robot interesting to me is the skin.

Scorpion · « **Reply #39 on:** August 08, 2011, 04:03:35 PM »

Quote from: Enigma on August 08, 2011, 03:53:12 PM

Really, what makes a robot interesting to me is the skin.

Really? Ok then, i guess...

Nar's made a good point IMO.

Personally, I just build what comes to my mind though XD