Author Topic: Reputation Law Discussion Thread (Read 10916 times)

Hercules · « **Reply #60 on:** July 03, 2012, 06:11:35 PM »

i think that when someone gives rep (good or bad) it must be aproved for some kind of rep moderator to make things balanced and more stable without discusting

Natef · « **Reply #61 on:** July 03, 2012, 06:17:24 PM »

If we do change the system, should we reset everyone's rep?

Jonzu95 · « **Reply #62 on:** July 03, 2012, 06:21:06 PM »

I say we should just remove it.

NFX · « **Reply #63 on:** July 03, 2012, 06:54:15 PM »

Quote from: Jonzu95 on July 03, 2012, 06:21:06 PM

I say we should just remove it.

I agree. (Those who placed bets, you may now collect your winnings.) If we continue with a rep system, there's always going to be some degree of imbalance, with people rating people up or down for things other people deem to be completely trivial. And even if we do go down the rep admin road, there will inevitably be people who will go "why did you accept his rep and not mine", et cetera. And if we exclude certain groups, such as Roboteers (although plazmic inferno being able to give rep is a bit of a wierd one, in my view), there will always be one or two people who will abuse the system in the eyes of others, until we get the the stage where only three or so people are actually able to give rep, and the whole thing becomes either an corrupt circle of elitism, or completely redundant. So the logical thing to do, to avoid conflicts and bawwing over an utterly pointless number, seems to be to get rid of it.

Besides, if you're an AU or Veteran, then you've obviously done something right.

And to explain my recent rep down of Noodle, I believed he was being an unproductive confrontational jerk, but I didn't particularly want to say that. Although I'm quite surprised I'm the only one to rep him down at all.

cephalopod · « **Reply #64 on:** July 03, 2012, 06:57:13 PM »

Maybe it should be scrapped and a rank added below AU for those not quite at AU yet. Radical thought I know, but it'll help set people apart, because as we all know, Post Count rank means nothing.

Hard Bot · « **Reply #65 on:** July 03, 2012, 06:57:29 PM »

The rep should not be removed-- it helps new people find a role model. The GTM policy should be based on thid Wikipedia policy:
http://goo.gl/hxazd
Examples of good-faifth reasons:
Decent bot in BBEANS you got there. (+1)
You deflammed a topic! That is very hard. (+1)
Your advice helped --GTM member here-- win a challenge agianst the high-ranked --Insert member with coloured name here--! (+1)
Please, can you stop spamming? You got on the Watched list for that. (-1)
Constantly attacking --Insert GTM member here--; you constantly spammed his inbox with links to shock sites. Do it again or you might get even permabanned. (-1)
Shouting racist comments and slurs to --insert Mexican or Black/African-American member--. He/She feels offended to your posts. (-1)

Examples of bad faifth reasons: (Notice how one has -1 despite positive comment.)
You are a good friend to me. (+1)
You have a PS3-- just like me. (+1)
At the new Wal-Mart, there is the new Call of Duty games on the shelf! Go get them before their gone! (+1)
I dislike black people-- that's why I dislike you! (-1)
Destroying Absolute Chaos-- I can't beat him! (-1)
How much crack have you took today? (-1)

Enigm@ · « **Reply #66 on:** July 03, 2012, 08:09:06 PM »

Quote from: NFX on July 03, 2012, 06:54:15 PM

And to explain my recent rep down of Noodle, I believed he was being an unproductive confrontational jerk, but I didn't particularly want to say that. Although I'm quite surprised I'm the only one to rep him down at all.

It's because not everyone takes him seriously.

123savethewhales · « **Reply #67 on:** July 03, 2012, 09:44:50 PM »

the first rep system where everyone can give was fine...... then you guys changed it to the abomination that it is now......

Enigm@ · « **Reply #68 on:** July 03, 2012, 09:49:49 PM »

Quote from: 123savethewhales on July 03, 2012, 09:44:50 PM

the first rep system where everyone can give was fine...... then you guys changed it to the abomination that it is now......

Exactly, I thought it was fine whenever I first joined.

Naryar · « **Reply #69 on:** July 03, 2012, 11:47:21 PM »

Quote from: 123savethewhales on July 03, 2012, 09:44:50 PM

the first rep system where everyone can give was fine...... then you guys changed it to the abomination that it is now......

It wasn't even balanced.

Quote from: Hard Bot on July 03, 2012, 06:57:29 PM

The rep should not be removed-- it helps new people find a role model. The GTM policy should be based on thid Wikipedia policy:
http://goo.gl/hxazd
Examples of good-faifth reasons:
Decent bot in BBEANS you got there. (+1)
You deflammed a topic! That is very hard. (+1)
Your advice helped --GTM member here-- win a challenge agianst the high-ranked --Insert member with coloured name here--! (+1)
Please, can you stop spamming? You got on the Watched list for that. (-1)
Constantly attacking --Insert GTM member here--; you constantly spammed his inbox with links to shock sites. Do it again or you might get even permabanned. (-1)
Shouting racist comments and slurs to --insert Mexican or Black/African-American member--. He/She feels offended to your posts. (-1)

Examples of bad faifth reasons: (Notice how one has -1 despite positive comment.)
You are a good friend to me. (+1)
You have a PS3-- just like me. (+1)
At the new Wal-Mart, there is the new Call of Duty games on the shelf! Go get them before their gone! (+1)
I dislike black people-- that's why I dislike you! (-1)
Destroying Absolute Chaos-- I can't beat him! (-1)
How much crack have you took today? (-1)

Good posting ? By Hard Bot ? It's more likely than you think !

kill343gs · « **Reply #70 on:** July 03, 2012, 11:55:16 PM »

its a garbage system and i treat it like a garbage system, i didnt know +repping for good humor was against arbitrary rules and should be looked down on. fact of the matter is, there are no laws on the rep system and there is no way to govern it even if there were.

123savethewhales · « **Reply #71 on:** July 04, 2012, 05:11:35 AM »

Quote from: Naryar on July 03, 2012, 11:47:21 PM

Quote from: 123savethewhales on July 03, 2012, 09:44:50 PM
the first rep system where everyone can give was fine...... then you guys changed it to the abomination that it is now......

It wasn't even balanced.

How was it not balanced? Everyone had the same voting rights and limitation as everyone else. It isn't the fault of the system if some ppl decides not to vote.

See now it's imbalanced because most ppl can't have a say in the rep, which is bad enough.

If you gonna enforce rules just because a given rep doesn't meet your personal expectation, you might as well just ban voting and assign a rep number yourself.

JoeBlo · « **Reply #72 on:** July 04, 2012, 05:23:02 AM »

Reputation Law?.... Really?...... I mean Reeeeally?

Its a throwaway forum feature you can use to applaud someone.. hell its basically the like button from Facebook..

SKBT · « **Reply #73 on:** July 04, 2012, 05:34:37 AM »

Quote from: JoeBlo on July 04, 2012, 05:23:02 AM

Reputation Law?.... Really?...... I mean Reeeeally?

Its a throwaway forum feature you can use to applaud someone.. hell its basically the like button from Facebook..

I'd +1 you for that but some people take this too seriously...

There should be an extra zero or two tacked on to arbitrarily make it more significant.

Mecha · « **Reply #74 on:** July 04, 2012, 08:42:13 AM »

Quote from: JoeBlo on July 04, 2012, 05:23:02 AM

Reputation Law?.... Really?...... I mean Reeeeally?

Its a throwaway forum feature you can use to applaud someone.. hell its basically the like button from Facebook..

100% Agreed.

Fracture · « **Reply #75 on:** July 04, 2012, 10:22:55 AM »

We should just either stop caring so much or get rid of it. It really doesn't matter much more than something like post count, but if that's how people keep treating it, then something does need to be done.

Naryar · « **Reply #76 on:** July 04, 2012, 10:25:56 AM »

I see cynicism and nihilism are getting more and more mods. And people.

"Hurr durr rep is a crap feature so we must keep it a crap feature"

The main positive thing I see out of this thread is the "rep = posting quality" stuff.

Alright, we'll do this. Reputation is now a posting quality indicator instead of some vague system on how liked or disliked you are. Besides we already have respect rating for how liked or disliked you are (The fact that it is not updated frequently doesn't make the redundancy point invalid).

SO SAYS THE MIGHTY NARYAR, JUSTICE INCARNATE.

Resetti's Replicas · « **Reply #77 on:** July 04, 2012, 10:55:29 AM »

Quote from: Naryar on July 04, 2012, 10:25:56 AM

Alright, we'll do this. Reputation is now a posting quality indicator instead of some vague system on how liked or disliked you are. Besides we already have respect rating for how liked or disliked you are (The fact that it is not updated frequently doesn't make the redundancy point invalid).

SO SAYS THE MIGHTY NARYAR, JUSTICE INCARNATE.

It's all fine and good to say that, but what changes are you actually implementing? Have you drafted some concrete guidelines? (Hard Bot's don't count) Are you appointing yourself the monitor of rep-giving? Will there be punishments for improper rep giving?

Naryar · « **Reply #78 on:** July 04, 2012, 11:10:48 AM »

Quote from: Sonny_Resetti on July 04, 2012, 10:55:29 AM

It's all fine and good to say that, but what changes are you actually implementing?

Reputation now will aim to set a scale for overall posting quality. Positive means good, negative means bad

Quote from: Sonny_Resetti on July 04, 2012, 10:55:29 AM

Have you drafted some concrete guidelines?

Negative repdowns due to playground stuff do not count. Apart from that, nope.

Quote from: Sonny_Resetti on July 04, 2012, 10:55:29 AM

Are you appointing yourself the monitor of rep-giving?

Not only me, but I want some interested, fair people to work with me on the subject. We will all judge and smite or applaud according to stuff happening.

Besides, we can judge better in a group. So who is interested ?

Other people can smite or applaud as well, but if they do it if there are no more good OR more bad posts from an user, there will be consequences.

Quote from: Sonny_Resetti on July 04, 2012, 10:55:29 AM

Will there be punishments for improper rep giving?

Most likely smites, distributed by me. Maybe not for someone who does not know the law yet.

Besides, this system will not start just yet. We need to sort out stuff and prepare before.

123savethewhales · « **Reply #79 on:** July 04, 2012, 11:21:28 AM »

If Naryar gets to control the rules, and the right to change it when it is "not meeting his expectations", he might as well just assign rep numbers directly.

The end result will be more or less the same.