Scrap Daddy (+12/-4) GoldenFox93 (+23/-23) asking for rep June 22, 2012, 05:42:40 AMI accept your one Nary, but it's just this one I've got problems with. I've tried explaining to Scrap that I never actually asked for rep, but he never responded.
I guess so... although I'm pretty sure I smote GF already for that so it was not justified maybe ?
Thanks. First page updated.
There ya go, all on YT.
No problem.
Can I get some +rep now, please?
I know your grudge with scrap, and we'll solve it later after the rep laws have passed... if they stick.Scrap Daddy (+12/-4) GoldenFox93 (+23/-23) asking for rep June 22, 2012, 05:42:40 AMI accept your one Nary, but it's just this one I've got problems with. I've tried explaining to Scrap that I never actually asked for rep, but he never responded.
I guess so... although I'm pretty sure I smote GF already for that so it was not justified maybe ?
remove rep system problem solved
no really i hate it when people do things just for rep like so:Thanks. First page updated.
There ya go, all on YT.
No problem.
Can I get some +rep now, please?
I think that it IS justified if someone reps someone down with reasoning such as "that's a retarded post and you should stop posting" because even if they are being blunt, they're trying to get a point across, and with some members, repping them down is the only way to get a point across. I judge people on their character, not some silly number on a forum for an obscure game that's almost ten years old.
but its the fact that he is ONLY doing it for rep that pisssssssssssssses me off.... he is not doing out of kindness or to be helpful or anything, only to earn brownie points with rep giverssnip
So what if he did it only for rep ? He helped the youtube-dwelling RA2 community, that certainly warrants a rep-up.
Sure asking for rep should maybe warrant a rep-down therefore after, but FOTEPX earned a total of -1rep in total for doing a good thing ! That's ridiculous !oh OK i see what you mean
I believe it's more of a community related thing. I mean does how good or how bad your rep is affect how good of a builder you are ? No. Ergo, I don't think it should be RA2-related in that sense.I think that it IS justified if someone reps someone down with reasoning such as "that's a retarded post and you should stop posting" because even if they are being blunt, they're trying to get a point across, and with some members, repping them down is the only way to get a point across. I judge people on their character, not some silly number on a forum for an obscure game that's almost ten years old.
That's a fair point. I do believe before making a system of laws, we should define "reputation". Is it something RA2-related or not ?
Maybe the rep system is due for a whole reset...?Nooo! then ill lose my positive rep. :P
My reasoning for that would be, that after the rep is reset, someone would go through all the active members and give them a preset reputation number. For example, Clickbeetle would have a paticular high preset number like a 10 because he contributes alot.Maybe the rep system is due for a whole reset...?Nooo! then ill lose my positive rep. :P
EDIT: Oh oh, I know! Let's make it a beauraucracy where everyone who currently has repping powers keeps them, but instead of directly changing rep, we instead PM a request to smite/applaud to ACAMS. You should totally show him that idea, he'll love it.Idea of the year lel 10/10
I think it should be heavily based on RA2, as this is what the forum is about. I DO NOT think however, that it should be so heavily based on RA2 that one would just go "<insert name here> hasn't been building bots to my liking, i'll rep him down". I also think that rep downs should not only occur when law breaking, but aswell as the mood of the person. If someone has paticular negative and mean towards the commuinty, but not breaking laws, that person should still be repped down.The only problem with that is that it hasn't been a problem of people just repping down users because they haven't been building. If that was the case, I'd be in hot water right now with like -10 rep or something..
The fact that a good act is done out of a selfish purpose doesn't lessen the fact that it is a good act and it should be awarded accordingly.but its the fact that he is ONLY doing it for rep that pisssssssssssssses me off.... he is not doing out of kindness or to be helpful or anything, only to earn brownie points with rep giverssnip
So what if he did it only for rep ? He helped the youtube-dwelling RA2 community, that certainly warrants a rep-up.
I feel really put on the spot. You're acting like I did something wrong based on rules you just made up.
=I thought the point of the rep system was to make it known when I thought somebody deserved applause. It says "Applaud" does it not?
And I thought you were strongly in the camp of "don't give a toss about reputation."
If this is really such a big deal for you, is there not a feature where you can see what post the person was basing their applaud/smite on?
I think it should be heavily based on RA2, as this is what the forum is about. I DO NOT think however, that it should be so heavily based on RA2 that one would just go "<insert name here> hasn't been building bots to my liking, i'll rep him down". I also think that rep downs should not only occur when law breaking, but aswell as the mood of the person. If someone has paticular negative and mean towards the commuinty, but not breaking laws, that person should still be repped down.The only problem with that is that it hasn't been a problem of people just repping down users because they haven't been building. If that was the case, I'd be in hot water right now with like -10 rep or something..
You could have a seperate rep system for RA2 doings and another for everything else. But this would annoy ACAMS, I expect :PRep isn't exactly important, else you should have the same or more rep than me since you're a cool dude.
You could also just scrap it completely. Or leave it as it is. I for one don't actually care.
Again, this goes with the point I made earlier about how reputation shouldn't be seen as RA2-related because it doesn't affect gameplay or how good or terrible a user is at building. It really is just a community thing, because because it's not robotic drones that give people rep or rep them down, it's said people in said community. Therefore, I don't believe it's an RA2 thing.Agreed.
I'm all good with having a rep system being based on posting quality.Yeah, that sounds good to me. Hopefully should cut down on the complete jerks having overinflated Reps and those who do post good stuff having very little.
I'm all good with having a rep system being based on posting quality.Pretty much. If people just observed someones posting quality over a long period it would be easy to give appropriate rep.
I'm all good with having a rep system being based on posting quality.Yeah, that sounds good to me. Hopefully should cut down on the complete jerks having overinflated Reps and those who do post good stuff having very little.
Hey Naryar, you never made a point about people who applaud or smite users with just blank reasons. I think this should be included as one of the things not to do, if this set of laws is passed, because unless it's incredibly clear why said user is getting rep'd up or down, I think ALL users who have the ability to control the reputation system should give at least some sort of reasoning. Because if it is very vague why they're giving karma, it could be for something stupid and not worthy of repping up.
Oh well I skimmed thru the OP. You didn't state any examples so that's why I didn't see it.I'm all good with having a rep system being based on posting quality.Yeah, that sounds good to me. Hopefully should cut down on the complete jerks having overinflated Reps and those who do post good stuff having very little.
Examples (other than me, of course) ?Hey Naryar, you never made a point about people who applaud or smite users with just blank reasons. I think this should be included as one of the things not to do, if this set of laws is passed, because unless it's incredibly clear why said user is getting rep'd up or down, I think ALL users who have the ability to control the reputation system should give at least some sort of reasoning. Because if it is very vague why they're giving karma, it could be for something stupid and not worthy of repping up.
I certainly did. From the first post :
-Always give a reason for your rep actions, and a clear one. Failure to do so tends to end in confusion,
like this "Beavis" and "Butthead" rep actions back then. Besides, we can't judge if the rep action is right or wrong.
The only person I can badmouth for having too much rep relative to his behavior is FOTEPX, who definitely does not deserve as much as Sage.I'm all good with having a rep system being based on posting quality.Yeah, that sounds good to me. Hopefully should cut down on the complete jerks having overinflated Reps and those who do post good stuff having very little.
Examples (other than me, of course) ?
Agreed. He's alright of course, but it shouldn't be as high quite as it is, IMHO.The only person I can badmouth for having too much rep relative to his behavior is FOTEPX, who definitely does not deserve as much as Sage.I'm all good with having a rep system being based on posting quality.Yeah, that sounds good to me. Hopefully should cut down on the complete jerks having overinflated Reps and those who do post good stuff having very little.
Examples (other than me, of course) ?
OPERATION DOWNVOTE FOTEPEX GOGOGOGOGOThe only person I can badmouth for having too much rep relative to his behavior is FOTEPX, who definitely does not deserve as much as Sage.I'm all good with having a rep system being based on posting quality.Yeah, that sounds good to me. Hopefully should cut down on the complete jerks having overinflated Reps and those who do post good stuff having very little.
Examples (other than me, of course) ?
There is a major fault in getting rid of the rep system
Say we have a major noob. New members won't be able to tell if that person is a noob or not, because there is no number to indicate. New members would be taking in bad advice and they would have no way of telling which members are good and which ones are bad
There is a major fault in getting rid of the rep systemIt's not as though newbs will be oblivious to the behavioral standards of the forum in general compared to the n00b so it would be fairly simple to identify him in that case.
Say we have a major noob. New members won't be able to tell if that person is a noob or not, because there is no number to indicate. New members would be taking in bad advice and they would have no way of telling which members are good and which ones are bad
There is a major fault in getting rid of the rep system
Say we have a major noob. New members won't be able to tell if that person is a noob or not, because there is no number to indicate. New members would be taking in bad advice and they would have no way of telling which members are good and which ones are bad
They would catch on soon
But that wouldn't be right, you have to have a good reason to rep someone down, and not just because it's too high.OPERATION DOWNVOTE FOTEPEX GOGOGOGOGOThe only person I can badmouth for having too much rep relative to his behavior is FOTEPX, who definitely does not deserve as much as Sage.I'm all good with having a rep system being based on posting quality.Yeah, that sounds good to me. Hopefully should cut down on the complete jerks having overinflated Reps and those who do post good stuff having very little.
Examples (other than me, of course) ?
There is a major fault in getting rid of the rep system
Say we have a major noob. New members won't be able to tell if that person is a noob or not, because there is no number to indicate. New members would be taking in bad advice and they would have no way of telling which members are good and which ones are bad
There is a major fault in getting rid of the rep system
Say we have a major noob. New members won't be able to tell if that person is a noob or not, because there is no number to indicate. New members would be taking in bad advice and they would have no way of telling which members are good and which ones are bad
If we have a major n00b, you can bet I'll ask ACAMS to make sure he can't post in the showcases, or only in his showcase.
Besides, there are custom titles, and other stuff like this.
Naryar would probably sail in and correct said noob and warn the newby about certain sources of advice; he's done it in the past.There is a major fault in getting rid of the rep system
Say we have a major noob. New members won't be able to tell if that person is a noob or not, because there is no number to indicate. New members would be taking in bad advice and they would have no way of telling which members are good and which ones are bad
They would catch on soon
Would they?
If there is a new member who JUST picked up RA2 and knows nothing of it, and a noob came along and said "Use pinks for batterys, they are the best" the new member would not know any better.
Nonsense, rep should represent the quality of someones behaviour. FOTEPX has been posting more poorly recently anyway, especially when compare to Sage, who has has the same rep level as.But that wouldn't be right, you have to have a good reason to rep someone down, and not just because it's too high.OPERATION DOWNVOTE FOTEPEX GOGOGOGOGOThe only person I can badmouth for having too much rep relative to his behavior is FOTEPX, who definitely does not deserve as much as Sage.I'm all good with having a rep system being based on posting quality.Yeah, that sounds good to me. Hopefully should cut down on the complete jerks having overinflated Reps and those who do post good stuff having very little.
Examples (other than me, of course) ?
but however, if that was a joke just ignore me.
other more intelligent members would say that his advice was BSThere is a major fault in getting rid of the rep system
Say we have a major noob. New members won't be able to tell if that person is a noob or not, because there is no number to indicate. New members would be taking in bad advice and they would have no way of telling which members are good and which ones are bad
They would catch on soon
Would they?
If there is a new member who JUST picked up RA2 and knows nothing of it, and a noob came along and said "Use pinks for batterys, they are the best" the new member would not know any better.
other more intelligent members would say that his advice was BSThere is a major fault in getting rid of the rep system
Say we have a major noob. New members won't be able to tell if that person is a noob or not, because there is no number to indicate. New members would be taking in bad advice and they would have no way of telling which members are good and which ones are bad
They would catch on soon
Would they?
If there is a new member who JUST picked up RA2 and knows nothing of it, and a noob came along and said "Use pinks for batterys, they are the best" the new member would not know any better.
also
Vertigo (+6/-2) daleksec7 (+5/-0) On request... Good job on your RWS2 project =) March 09, 2012, 02:02:44 PM
plazmic inferno (+1/-0) daleksec7 (+5/-0) awesome work on series 2 game February 26, 2012, 06:05:33 AM
Squirrel_Monkey (+7/-1) daleksec7 (+5/-0) Awesome Work! February 25, 2012, 02:54:41 PM
SKBT (+8/-0) daleksec7 (+5/-0) On behalf of Thyrus February 25, 2012, 02:54:05 PM
SKBT (+8/-0) daleksec7 (+5/-0) Game Development February 20, 2012, 12:28:01 PM
"daleksec7" has as much rep as fotepx/sage without even contributing to ra2 nearly as much as they did (he did try to host some failed "robot warlords" thing back in 2010, but still...) just for working on some rw series 2 game which has little to nothing to do with ra2
The ratio is more telling than the number. A high positive number means that a handful of people love you. A high ratio means that a lot of people respect you.What about all we free men who have be slammed by Serge for "that thread"? I'm not sure that represents my current posting quality in the slightest.
The ratio is more telling than the number. A high positive number means that a handful of people love you. A high ratio means that a lot of people respect you.What about all we free men who have be slammed by Serge for "that thread"? I'm not sure that represents my current posting quality in the slightest.
"Nonsense, rep should represent the quality of someones behaviour. FOTEPX has been posting more poorly recently anyway, especially when compare to Sage, who has has the same rep level as."I never gave him any. For some time his behavior was okay but I certainly wouldn't have given him a rep above 1.
I know, but shouldn't it just have never been given to him instead of randomly taking it all away?
I say we should just remove it.
And to explain my recent rep down of Noodle, I believed he was being an unproductive confrontational jerk, but I didn't particularly want to say that. Although I'm quite surprised I'm the only one to rep him down at all.It's because not everyone takes him seriously.
the first rep system where everyone can give was fine...... then you guys changed it to the abomination that it is now......Exactly, I thought it was fine whenever I first joined.
the first rep system where everyone can give was fine...... then you guys changed it to the abomination that it is now......
The rep should not be removed-- it helps new people find a role model. The GTM policy should be based on thid Wikipedia policy:
http://goo.gl/hxazd (http://goo.gl/hxazd)
Examples of good-faifth reasons:
Decent bot in BBEANS you got there. (+1)
You deflammed a topic! That is very hard. (+1)
Your advice helped --GTM member here-- win a challenge agianst the high-ranked --Insert member with coloured name here--! (+1)
Please, can you stop spamming? You got on the Watched list for that. (-1)
Constantly attacking --Insert GTM member here--; you constantly spammed his inbox with links to shock sites. Do it again or you might get even permabanned. (-1)
Shouting racist comments and slurs to --insert Mexican or Black/African-American member--. He/She feels offended to your posts. (-1)
Examples of bad faifth reasons: (Notice how one has -1 despite positive comment.)
You are a good friend to me. (+1)
You have a PS3-- just like me. (+1)
At the new Wal-Mart, there is the new Call of Duty games on the shelf! Go get them before their gone! (+1)
I dislike black people-- that's why I dislike you! (-1)
Destroying Absolute Chaos-- I can't beat him! (-1)
How much crack have you took today? (-1)
How was it not balanced? Everyone had the same voting rights and limitation as everyone else. It isn't the fault of the system if some ppl decides not to vote.the first rep system where everyone can give was fine...... then you guys changed it to the abomination that it is now......
It wasn't even balanced.
Reputation Law?.... Really?...... I mean Reeeeally?
Its a throwaway forum feature you can use to applaud someone.. hell its basically the like button from Facebook..
Reputation Law?.... Really?...... I mean Reeeeally?100% Agreed.
Its a throwaway forum feature you can use to applaud someone.. hell its basically the like button from Facebook..
Alright, we'll do this. Reputation is now a posting quality indicator instead of some vague system on how liked or disliked you are. Besides we already have respect rating for how liked or disliked you are (The fact that it is not updated frequently doesn't make the redundancy point invalid).
SO SAYS THE MIGHTY NARYAR, JUSTICE INCARNATE.
It's all fine and good to say that, but what changes are you actually implementing?
Have you drafted some concrete guidelines?
Are you appointing yourself the monitor of rep-giving?
Will there be punishments for improper rep giving?
One of Meganerdbomb' repup's was for "Now tied with Sage." No one should repup someone so it can be tied with someone else. One of Enigma's was from RadioFSoftware. Yes, THAT GUY. It said "Yourrrr sooo flurrrrttttyyy." No one should repup someone because they are friends to them or are attracted to them. In the current GTM Age, People can only repup/down other people because their username is coloured. There is always one, two, or three trolls of those coloured usernames. In one newcomer welcome thread, Vertigo (yes I'm talking about that Vertigo who builds robot in real life) relentlessly annoyed the newcomer and was spamming himself talking in Spainish, but that was not the language the newcomer spoke.
There is always one, two, or three trolls of those coloured usernames. In one newcomer welcome thread, Vertigo (yes I'm talking about that Vertigo who builds robot in real life) relentlessly annoyed the newcomer and was spamming himself talking in Spainish, but that was not the language the newcomer spoke.I'm sorry but you seem to have all your facts wrong here.
SO SAYS THE MIGHTY NARYAR, JUSTICE INCARNATE."To Punish and Enslave"
6 page topic about 1 number under the avatar.Internet is serious business.
Are you serious.
6 page topic about 1 number under the avatar.
Are you serious.
asfdgdfgasgftsdgfd I knew someone was going to say this.6 page topic about 1 number under the avatar.
Are you serious.
Your argument is invalid. Its a digit not a number. And you can have more than 1 digit rep
Ahahah, I like Karma Police.Or maybe in Nary's case, the Scragger* :approve:
its a garbage system and i treat it like a garbage system, i didnt know +repping for good humor was against arbitrary rules and should be looked down on. fact of the matter is, there are no laws on the rep system and there is no way to govern it even if there were.
Reputation Law?.... Really?...... I mean Reeeeally?
Its a throwaway forum feature you can use to applaud someone.. hell its basically the like button from Facebook..
If Naryar gets to control the rules, and the right to change it when it is "not meeting his expectations", he might as well just assign rep numbers directly.
The end result will be more or less the same.
6 page topic about 1 number under the avatar.
Are you serious.
Your argument is invalid. Its a digit not a number. And you can have more than 1 digit rep
edit: didn't know you were already rolling out the red carpet on your reputation nazi police. you really are out of your mind. you can't just decide to police something one day and everyone has to just deal with it.
The "standards" you're proposing we hold the rep system to are completely arbitrary and utter nonsense. I've +rep'ed SKBT for liking hockey. Does that meet your standards? Probably not. But it still doesn't change the fact that finding this out about him has changed what I think of him in some positive way - in my eyes, it has built his reputation. Seeing as he's a generally good guy and conducts himself well, I think he's full value for his rep.
By putting it to a committee, you're essentially telling me that my judge of character is invalid and thus my opinion is flawed and I should be ignored. And you don't think that I'll have a problem with this?
We must first see if ACAMS is OK with it.Dude this is a hierarchy, what freedom are you talking about?
Also, R0B0, Kill, both of you probably haven't read the thread entirely, being creeped out by the possible loss of freedom you and others could possibly experience.
But removing rep entirely will make you lose even more freedom, and keeping rep users to the whole forum will make a mess out of rep.
This thread is a public relation. In politics even ACAMS does not hold absolute authority because when worst comes to worst, people can leave. Being a king of nobody but yourself isn't exactly being king.edit: didn't know you were already rolling out the red carpet on your reputation nazi police. you really are out of your mind. you can't just decide to police something one day and everyone has to just deal with it.
Then care to tell me why I created this thread ? If I was as tyrannical as you imply, I'd just have done with this thread entirely and posted laws just right now, and probably ban you for dissing my projects. But no, because it is not fair.
Also nazi police ? Are you goddamn kidding me ?
Heh, you actually care more about rep that you say. And you're afraid I may take your privilege of rep-dealing, therefore your judgement is botched by your fears.
Besides, reputation should be a GENERAL appreciation of the member by the community. How does "repping up due to personal tastes" is general ? If someone is liked 5 times by other people for personal tastes, he gets +5rep due to being slightly liked by five people out of 40. How is this "reputation" not completely arbitrary, and how is this fair compared to people that contribute ? IT IS NOT !The other 35 has to option to vote down if it's so unfair that they actually start to care. If they don't care enough to do that, then it's fair enough to the 35.
lol repYeah, and about 10% within the 10% actually bother to use it casually.
only like 10% of the people can use it anyway, because they were considered worthy and notable members of the community. so...
It could actually end up being fairer if everyone could vote. The stupid people repping can have privileges removed, and any stupid repping will eventually be counterbalanced.I agree with this
It could actually end up being fairer if everyone could vote. The stupid people repping can have privileges removed, and any stupid repping will eventually be counterbalanced.YES
It could actually end up being fairer if everyone could vote. The stupid people repping can have privileges removed, and any stupid repping will eventually be counterbalanced.ye
Besides, reputation should be a GENERAL appreciation of the member by the community. How does "repping up due to personal tastes" is general ?
do you really think im afraid of losing a sh**ty system used primarily for joking and upvoting trolls on a website i no longer really care about? no naryar im not scared, i have no problem with reputation being removed from this site entirely. as of right now it sucks ass anyways. but you can't just change the nature of the beast overnight and start issuing warnings (like you already have despite the fact you said this must wait for acams yourself) i have read this entire thread a couple times through and i just find it ridiculous that this is even a topic of discussion.Wait, if you don't care about this forum, does that mean you don't care about me ? D:
do you really think im afraid of losing a sh**ty system used primarily for joking and upvoting trolls on a website i no longer really care about? no naryar im not scared, i have no problem with reputation being removed from this site entirely. as of right now it sucks ass anyways. but you can't just change the nature of the beast overnight and start issuing warnings (like you already have despite the fact you said this must wait for acams yourself) i have read this entire thread a couple times through and i just find it ridiculous that this is even a topic of discussion.Wait, if you don't care about this forum, does that mean you don't care about me ? D:
10/10do you really think im afraid of losing a sh**ty system used primarily for joking and upvoting trolls on a website i no longer really care about? no naryar im not scared, i have no problem with reputation being removed from this site entirely. as of right now it sucks ass anyways. but you can't just change the nature of the beast overnight and start issuing warnings (like you already have despite the fact you said this must wait for acams yourself) i have read this entire thread a couple times through and i just find it ridiculous that this is even a topic of discussion.Wait, if you don't care about this forum, does that mean you don't care about me ? D:
That's ludacris, of course i care about you :heart_smiley:
Also, since this is now in chatterbox, my full rage:
This was by far the most idiotic ****ing idea I have ever seen. The mere concept of policing a system like this is ridiculous. I'm sorry that the moderator position has lost all of its interesting work, but you have me to thank for that. If you want this place to go back to total ****ing anarchy, feel free to hop into my time machine and go back a couple years. While you're at it, put on my shoes during your travels and high step right into my oh so glamorous role of being "the iron fist of the law" as you would say. I'll even let you borrow my stupid ****ing hammer I made as a faggot in high school if it makes you feel that high and mighty. Just prepare yourself for a few sleepless nights trying to figure out what to do with the immature kids on this website when they decide to throw sand at each other and cry.
In the meantime, enjoy your times of peace and be thankful you still have a forum to come to.
BEWARE THE MIGHTY INTERNET FORUM MODERATOR, FOR HE HAS SPOKEN
Face it, the drama and flaming are the only reasons half of us have for sticking around this forum.Pretty much.
Back on topic.
Nearly four years ago I fell asleep in a bathutub in this (http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2005_1st/GreatWolfVirginiaExterior.jpeg) hotel/indoor waterpark (Yes I fell asleep in a hotel bathtub)
Operation "Remove ability to give rep" has begun .... who wants to be hit first!