religious debate thread

[Meganerdbomb]

Still a statistical advantage. 0.0000000000000001% is infinite times more likely than 0%

From a purely statistical standpoint you are correct. However time wasted in religious activities (festivals, church, etc) that could have been used for better purposes (curing world hunger, research, etc), then you are better off not partaking in any religion at all.

Christians have done a lot more to end world hunger than Atheists ever have.

The   way I see it, it is more likely none of the gods exist and everyone   just made it up then one religion exists and everyone besides that one   group made theirs up.

Or maybe, they're all real!

[Serge]

Still a statistical advantage. 0.0000000000000001% is infinite times more likely than 0%

From a purely statistical standpoint you are correct. However time wasted in religious activities (festivals, church, etc) that could have been used for better purposes (curing world hunger, research, etc), then you are better off not partaking in any religion at all.

Christians have done a lot more to end world hunger than Atheists ever have.

And killed a lot more infidels. Actually, same goes for Islam.

[Urjak]

Christians have done a lot more to end world hunger than Atheists ever have.

Yeah, primarily because there are 2 billion Christians in the world. Them helping world hunger has nothing to do with their Christianity.

[Meganerdbomb]

Christians have done a lot more to end world hunger than Atheists ever have.

Them helping world hunger has nothing to do with their Christianity.

So the fact that Christ teaches things like giving to the poor, and loving your neighbor has nothing to do with the fact that there are hundreds of Christian charity organizations?

And killed a lot more infidels. Actually, same goes for Islam.

I can't speak for Islam, but I know enough about Christianity to tell you that those who kill in the name of Christianity are not Christians at all.

[Incredirobotwars]

I'm gonna be blunt, post my views and why I think them, and not bother argueing. I believe in it, and nobody can change it. I won't try to get anyone to believe in what I do, and leave it at that.

I'm an atheist. Not agnostic, atheist. I believe that God doesn't exist. Plain and simple.

If there are so many different religions that all think they are right, and start wars over such issues, then either they are all idiots who take religion the wrong way, or there is no divine power at all. I don't think that so many people could be so idiotic as to make a war over religion when there is a god (then again, they could be - president Bush?), and so I think that they fight over religion because there is no god to stop it from happening. There are plenty of other reasons, but I won't go into them.

[Urjak]

So the fact that Christ teaches things like giving to the poor, and loving your neighbor has nothing to do with the fact that there are hundreds of Christian charity organizations?

I phrased my answer wrong. The fact that people are Atheist does not mean that they don't help world hunger. There are simply MANY more Christians.

[Serge]

Christians have done a lot more to end world hunger than Atheists ever have.

Them helping world hunger has nothing to do with their Christianity.

So the fact that Christ teaches things like giving to the poor, and loving your neighbor has nothing to do with the fact that there are hundreds of Christian charity organizations?

Don't be a self-pretentious faggot who thinks that it's thanks to their religion that these virtues exist. You don't have to have an imaginary friend to be a good person, sorry.

And killed a lot more infidels. Actually, same goes for Islam.

I can't speak for Islam, but I know enough about Christianity to tell you that those who kill in the name of Christianity are not Christians at all.

"Later that year, at the Council of Clermont, Pope Urban II called upon all Christians to join a war against the Turks, promising those who died in the endeavor would receive immediate remission of their sins."

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades#First_Crusade_1095.E2.80.931099 - sources present)

[Urjak]

The Crusades are the greatest example of religious wars and how Christianity is twisted by its followers.

[Noodle]

I'm a gnostic atheist myself.  Organized religion is, in my opinion, outdated.  We have a law system to keep people in order now, and people don't need an organization to tell them what their beliefs ought to be.  People should form their own beliefs about the unexplainable.

I for one believe that if there is some sort of a god, it has remained uninvolved in the universe since it's beginning.

So the fact that Christ teaches things like giving to the poor, and loving your neighbor has nothing to do with the fact that there are hundreds of Christian charity organizations?

That is irrelevant.  If a proper atheist creates a charity organization, he or she isn't going to call it something like "Atheists Against Hunger" just to add to atheist credibility.  It would be an organization that isn't exclusive to one religion and leaves religion completely out of the equation.  It would focus on one thing and one thing alone: giving donated money/goods to the poor.  I'm sure there are more of those types of organizations then there are Christian ones.

[Meganerdbomb]

Christians have done a lot more to end world hunger than Atheists ever have.

Them helping world hunger has nothing to do with their Christianity.

So the fact that Christ teaches things like giving to the poor, and loving your neighbor has nothing to do with the fact that there are hundreds of Christian charity organizations?

Don't be a self-pretentious faggot who thinks that it's thanks to their religion that these virtues exist. You don't have to have an imaginary friend to be a good person, sorry.

I never said there weren't good people who aren't Christians, but the fact reamins that Christians are responsible for the vast majority of charitiy organizations that exist. Hater's gonna hate.

And killed a lot more infidels. Actually, same goes for Islam.

I can't speak for Islam, but I know enough about Christianity to tell you that those who kill in the name of Christianity are not Christians at all.

"Later that year, at the Council of Clermont, Pope Urban II called upon all Christians to join a war against the Turks, promising those who died in the endeavor would receive immediate remission of their sins."

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades#First_Crusade_1095.E2.80.931099 - sources present)

The Roman Catholic Church is the greatest perversion of Christianity to ever exist. Catholicism is not true Christianity, never was true Christianity, and never will be true Christianity. Most of the sh** they teach isn't even in the Bible.

[Urjak]

I never said there weren't good people who aren't Christians, but the fact reamins that Christians are responsible for the vast majority of charitiy organizations that exist. Hater's gonna hate.

That is because 1/3 people are Christian.

[Meganerdbomb]

Excuses excuses, Urjak.

Anyway, I'm done arguing for Christianity unless I see some more blatant misconceptions to refute.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me that Thor doesn't exist. Don't forget, the Norse religion does encourage violence, and we don't give a ****.

[Little lost bot]

What I find odd is how other beliefs systems can go blabbing out in public about how bad we are yet if a Christian goes and does the same thing about other belief systems were told were being narrow minded and selfish. Heck You do that to Muslims and your life could be in danger.

[GoldenFox93]

What I find odd is how other beliefs systems can go blabbing out in public about how bad we are yet if a Christian goes and does the same thing about other belief systems were told were being narrow minded and selfish. Heck You do that to Muslims and your life could be in danger.

Quoted for truth. It's a problem in real life that just bothers me, just how if a woman murders a man, her story is always given a justified reason for it, and the tabloids make you believe you should be sympathetic to her.

[Urjak]

yet if a Christian goes and does the same thing about other belief systems were told were being narrow minded and selfish.

Please give an example.

[Little lost bot]

All right If a Christan speaks out against homosexuality its horrible but if a Muslim does that who cares. If the another belief system want a class for its belief system they'll do it Eg natives belief system is taught but a Christan once it in schools its a very big hassle.

[Urjak]

All right If a Christan speaks out against homosexuality its horrible but if a Muslim does that who cares.

No, it is horrible if either of them do it.

If the another belief system want a class for its belief system they'll do it Eg natives belief system is taught but a Christan once it in schools its a very big hassle.

Do you honestly believe that classes on the history and interpretation of Christianity are not found in schools? This is blatantly false.

[Little lost bot]

All right If a Christan speaks out against homosexuality its horrible but if a Muslim does that who cares.

No, it is horrible if either of them do it.


Theres a lot less fussing about it.

If the another belief system want a class for its belief system they'll do it Eg natives belief system is taught but a Christan once it in schools its a very big hassle.

Do you honestly believe that classes on the history and interpretation of Christianity are not found in schools? This is blatantly false.

Over here I have yet to even hear of a public school with a class teaching about Christianity. SS and history teach it in a negative way and or a way to have others think that its something of the past or you don't want to do it.

[Noodle]

All right If a Christan speaks out against homosexuality its horrible but if a Muslim does that who cares.

No, it is horrible if either of them do it.


Theres a lot less fussing about it.

If the another belief system want a class for its belief system they'll do it Eg natives belief system is taught but a Christan once it in schools its a very big hassle.

Do you honestly believe that classes on the history and interpretation of Christianity are not found in schools? This is blatantly false.

Over here I have yet to even hear of a public school with a class teaching about Christianity. SS and history teach it in a negative way and or a way to have others think that its something of the past or you don't want to do it.

History classes teach just that - history.  If you're religion decided strolling on over to the "holy land" to kill a few thousand infidels was a good idea, it's going to be mentioned.  History classes aren't going to re-write what happened just for the sake of portraying it in one religion's point of view.

To add to this, if you wanted a class to teach about Christianity, you'd have to have classes about Islam, Hindu, Buddhism, and any other major religions as well.  There simply isn't enough time or reasons to teach classes for each religion's part in history.

[Meganerdbomb]

Now, when you go to college, at least my college, you're required to take a religion class, even if you're a physics major such as myself.
However, if you haven't noticed that Christianity tends to get more hate than other religions, you're either unobservant, or willfully ignorant. The reason behind it is pretty simple though. Christianity is one of the three main religions in the modern world, along with Judaism and Islam. If you say bad things about Jews, you're instantly compared to the Nazis. If you say bad things about Islam, a suicide bomber kills a few hundred people. If you say bad things about Christianity, well...nothing really happens.